| IVOD_ID |
158752 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158752 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T10:11:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T10:22:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb581869bbf8167a2deda56fd3a12bc29fbb2e7e046cfb2de4f7b0f568547c5b28c35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:32 - 10:22:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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請郭部長沒關係先喝個水 |
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我問一個一定被國會的問題,新打海資這事情應該被國會 |
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六十四億六十四億是大減重的事情我去統計啊 去年我們有三變的風態造成的國家的虧損就只有六十四億這個 這是這個虧損六十四億 你看一個錯誤的政策對國家影響有這麼大啊 一月三號中間的這個元剛教幹部啊 總工會起來陳情他們問一個很重要的問題 今天 這邊有五個 我問你 |
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這64億的這個虧損中鋼全部要吞下去嗎?一間扛起嗎?這對中鋼合理嗎?就公司法來講啦這是他的子公司嘛當然他要扛起來啊對啊那些人做結策的人要付錢嗎?中鋼很可憐耶我看去年早上股票還有23塊多耶我剛剛上去看上禮拜跌破二字頭剛剛剩18點多耶 |
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這是多輸喔 第一個 國家輸喔我們有20%的股份所以國家就輸了嘛 對不對第二個 員工很多人買了很多中鋼的股票那是他的貼紙的關財本 他說那是寡財本耶大幅的縮水第三個 130幾萬的股民國家輸中鋼的員工輸130幾萬的股民輸結果政府現在有沒有人負責 拍拍屁股 |
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叫中綱負責嗎?這什麼東西要負責?就公司法,就公司法而言就是中綱要負責中綱,還是要找中綱的當事人跟中經理,還有經濟部的,那時候的經濟部、行政院都要負責啊這個要責任啊,不然他要做不對的事情都,都很可憐,股民的,我跟你講現在都有股民搞不好都要告你們背信罪啦怎麼說呢? |
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不是,你害人害成這樣,現在還在跌呢?報告委員,我想我們就經營跟工作來源工會,事業有專攻,企業的這個決策是由董事會負責 |
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對不對 所以補定的意思很清楚嘛所以補定的意思就是中間的董事會跟董事長總理要負責的責任董事會對公司的經營做出了一個原則上面的這個決策以後董事長總經理依照董事會的這個決策來實施嘛所以補定 你這個補定而已你認為這個事情的責任要怎麼追 |
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損害這麼嚴重誰要做這個我們當然是要釐清他為什麼會造成這個樣子然後再從他的過程裡面看有沒有需要我們搞過去的部分現在兩個問題嘛我剛才問你第一個 |
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這64億中鋼就吞下去嘛教練一直看他中鋼要負責的嘛對不對那這個公不公平這是第一個問題損害有多大第二個就是責任責任的歸屬嘛你說要檢討嘛對不對你如果還要我們檢討這個事情報告委員這個不是用這樣子來衡量啦齁你看看英特爾是美國發明半導體的公司也賺了那麼多的錢但是在去年虧損那麼大你說應該要追究誰的問題 |
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公司經營不能夠這樣討論啦但是我們認為我們當然有責任去看中鋼為什麼會虧損這件事情到底是出在哪裡下一次再有類似的情形我們就去改善這個事情是不是中鋼沒有弄應該不是吧 |
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他就是推國產化嘛 對不對推國產化嘛 叫星達海基國產化的東西做不出來嘛 對不對所以才會這64億才會虧損嘛 是不是這樣那你的國產化可能沒有錯可是你為什麼當初沒有很詳細的很細密的去做這件事情所以政府 三百萬坪出境敵責任政治政府都完全沒有責任嗎報告委員 |
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策略是正確的但是達不到策略的目標的話應該去檢討執行的過程有沒有錯誤啦我想這個你應該是同意這樣說法那我在看因為我們後來事後檢討是因為他的學籍曲線太慢 |
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第二個新達港的這個港的這個深度不夠但是這個風電的這個市場已經改變非常大就是我們的進步太慢跟不上這個時代的改變所以這個是作為我們下一次再投資的時候我們必須要衡量 |
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五年以後十年以後的這個技術環境到達哪裡我們能不能夠進入所以損害已經造成了這個怎麼去彌補這個虧損不要只有中鋼員工跟國民吞下去第二個你剛講的嘛好好去檢討要趕快檢討啦我們現在是就這個部分那從這個星島海基的這個錯誤政策或者說你剛講的執行力不利造成這個虧損來講下一個更嚴重了 |
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你剛才說不強迫啊現在台製電台製電這個事情演算到什麼程度你剛才說不強迫問題是中港一直一千萬已經丟下去了是不是 |
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我的了解 我知道的內幕是 中綱下面都已經空出來他都已經開始在組織化 已經人力啊什麼辦公室都找啦中綱已經被你們唆命要做啦我跟委員報告 我也有親自跟這個黃董事長講如果你們跟工會沒有辦法解釋得很清楚沒有溝通得很詳細 你全部退出 |
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也全部退出沒有問題沒有問題我先跟亂講白紙黑字喔我先跟亂進來的話沒有問題你已經說了只是中綱如果董事長跟總工會這邊跟他們的員工溝通大家沒有答應他們是隨時可以退出行不行是的包括那一千萬可以撤回沒有問題沒有問題好這是第一個第二個 |
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這個平臺 這個綠電平臺 我一定不會跟你要求過你台電之前有綠電平臺 你就好好用台電你為什麼要去成立這個新的第二個 第二個很嚴重啊 我跟你講你一直保證說不會虧錢 對不對我一定會知道 台積電通貨面對台積電 綠電公司要賣一坨五塊嘛 對不對他都不買了嘛那你想不想 去年我去查113年我們短過電價 風電短過電價一坨一坨這個 |
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113年綠電的短過電價是多少4.6元4.5元將近4.6元我們用短過電價一邊去簽20年還是25年是4.5元到4.6元你買台積電5塊台積電沒得買對不對那你現在你跟我講你去買你會比去年的短過電價高還是低 |
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如果你比他高那就台電去買就好啦這個等過電價就是台電去買的價格嘛台電現在也不要這個價格啊 |
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你現在不會虧欠 保證現在兩個事情嘛第一你要保證你的價格不會比這個原來的短貨電車高嘛是不是 這是第一嘛你今天可以做這個保證嗎第二個就是我說的你要先找到買家你才能夠賣喔要不然的話你現在一直都不曉得買家在哪裡你簽什麼MOU都不算喔你KU要先打出來喔哪一個企業要買你的電你說聯電啦 什麼東和 東和鋼鐵都要買對不對MOU都不算 |
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這幾間公司一定要給他簽,你買多少電有硬幣,有買家我才能夠去買不然買一百塊錢就是買了之後銷不出來嘛對不對這跟台電現在的狀況是一樣的嘛那以後這個平台買了一堆電沒有買家到後來就是叫中鋼去用,中華電信去用,中油去用嘛現在中鋼的股票現在會落嗎?為什麼那股票會跌? |
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在新台海這一關就是為了這些過電平台啊你要趕快去踩煞車啊好那今天委員既然這樣講我想我已經答應說讓他退出嘛他明天會不會股價會不會漲 |
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會不會漲啊 這個因素已經沒有了來來 拭目以待啦 今天部長說講了那當然你要打 你講的話要能夠落實喔不然你公共的你後面又叫一聲叫中綱不能退喔這也是國會殿堂所以我講的就是我必須要去執行的事情所以我再講 我再講一次中綱如果沒有辦法跟他的這個國會的同跟他這個工會的同仁做充分的溝通 |
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那麼他隨時可以推出這個平台部長今天做了很鄭重的宣布我想中鋼很多的員工現在應該是股長叫好的包括那一百三十幾萬的股民我就看部長這個保證以後股票還沒跳起來馬上檢視好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員我問一個自己的大事我上次邀請你去我自己考察 |
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你當場有 我們有提到我們家裡是棒球的這個園鄉 很有名的就是卡農你當場也講說你們會去認養跟幫助嘛 對不對那現在達成了怎麼樣的進展現在就是由台糖公司來這個協助嘉義大學的這個棒球隊怎麼樣來協助 至少兩個事情要做啊 |
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就是第一個要不要冠名 例如說冠 你看你有很多嘛 你台電都有球隊 例如說冠名 冠名冠名喔 台灣糖業這個第一個冠名 第二個我們有嘉義 這個卡通有棒球場嘛嘉義大學有這個棒球場 黑台鎮有這個棒球場對不對 |
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還是做怎麼樣的幫忙我們就先把球隊然後冠名這是第一個階段第二個階段才會協助他們怎麼樣訓練提升他的戰績這樣 |
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謝謝喔 所以從今天開始嘉義的不只是有名的Cannon嘉義大學的這個棒球隊全世界有名 不是台灣喔是 這個你可以問嘉義大學的校長也可以問我們台塘的董事長我們都已經 這個都已經形成了好 那就是有台塘嘉義大學棒球隊了是不是是謝謝 以後要盡量怎麼幫忙 |
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這個對整個嘉義不是只有棒球 整個體育會有很大的一個發展台糖也做了一件很重要的事情你們投入體育 你看人家中流都有球隊中友台電都有了以後恭喜台糖也有一個好的球隊謝謝委員資助 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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多謝主席，請部長。 |
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請郭部長。 |
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主席 |
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沒關係，先喝水。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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1 |
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你先喝，不急，慢慢來、慢慢來。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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1 |
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委員早。 |
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部長，你剛才說不會誤會，我問一個一定不會誤會的問題，興達海基這個事情應該不會有誤會啦。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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1 |
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是，不會。 |
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它虧損64億，虧損64億是很嚴重的事情！ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-08T10:12:29.249000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-08T10:12:39.011000+08:00 |
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我有做統計，去年我們有3次颱風，造成的國家虧損就剛好64億。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-08T10:12:39.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-08T10:12:44.252000+08:00 |
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這次這個虧損64億，你看，一個錯誤的政策對國家的影響有這麼大！ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-08T10:12:45.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:00.321000+08:00 |
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1月3號中鋼的員工跟幹部、總工會上來陳情，他們問了一個很重要的問題，這個不會有誤會，我問你，這64億的虧損，中鋼全部要吞下去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:00.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:02.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
一肩扛起嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:02.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:06.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這對中鋼合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:06.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:11.824000+08:00 |
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就公司法來講，這是它的子公司，當然它要扛起來。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:12.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:14.825000+08:00 |
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做決策的那些人要負責嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:14.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:22.067000+08:00 |
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中鋼很可憐，我看去年10月股票還有二十三塊多，我剛剛上去看，上禮拜跌破2字頭，剩十八點多。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:25.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:25.846000+08:00 |
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這是都輸喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:25.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:32.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
第一個，國家輸，我們有20%的股份，所以國家就輸了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:32.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:48.197000+08:00 |
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第二個，有很多員工買了很多中鋼的股票，那是他們退休的棺材本，大幅的縮水；第三個，一百三十幾萬的股民，就是國家輸、中鋼的員工輸、一百三十幾萬的股民輸，結果政府現在有沒有人負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:48.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:55.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
拍拍屁股叫中鋼負責嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:55.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:57.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
這個誰要負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:57.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:58.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
就公司法…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:58.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-08T10:13:59.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
什麼人要負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-08T10:13:58.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:02.056000+08:00 |
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就公司法而言就是中鋼要負責。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:02.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:04.597000+08:00 |
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那是不是要找中鋼的董事長跟總經理？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:05.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:08.139000+08:00 |
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還有那時候的經濟部長、行政院長都要負責啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:08.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:09.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
這個要追責任啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:11.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:18.306000+08:00 |
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不然以後做錯事都是員工可憐、股民……我跟你講，現在股民搞不好都要告你們背信罪啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:18.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:18.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
怎麼說呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:21.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:23.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
你害人害到這樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:23.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:24.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
現在還在跌欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:25.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:40.042000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我想我們就經營跟工作而言，工會，術業有專攻，企業的決策是由董事會負責，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:40.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:45.427000+08:00 |
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所以部長的意思就是中鋼的董事會跟董事長、總經理要負這個責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:45.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-08T10:14:57.398000+08:00 |
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董事會對公司的經營做出了一個原則上的決策以後，董事長、總經理依照董事會的這個決策來實施。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-08T10:14:57.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:00.741000+08:00 |
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所以部長，你身為部長，你認為這個事情的責任要怎麼追？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:02.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:04.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
損害這麼嚴重，誰要負這個責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:04.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:12.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我們當然是要釐清它為什麼會造成這個樣子，然後再從它的過程裡面看有沒有需要我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:13.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:21.085000+08:00 |
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現在兩個問題，我剛才問你第一個，這64億中鋼就吞下去嘛，照你的意思看起來，中鋼要負責了嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:21.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:22.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
那這個公不公平？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:22.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:24.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這是第一個問題，損害有多大？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:24.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:27.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
第二個就是責任的歸屬，你說要檢討，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:27.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:28.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你多久可以檢討這個事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:29.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:42.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
報告委員，這個不是用這樣子來衡量啦，你看看Intel是美國發明半導體的公司，也賺了那麼多錢，但是在去年虧損那麼大，你說應該要追究誰的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:42.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:43.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
所以我跟你說這個事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:43.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:54.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
公司經營不能夠這樣討論啦，我們當然有責任去看中鋼為什麼會虧損，這件事情到底問題是出在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:54.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:57.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
下一次再有類似的情形，我們就去改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:57.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:58.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
部長，這個事情是不是中鋼不努力？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-08T10:15:59.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-08T10:15:59.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
應該不是吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:01.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:04.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
它就是推國產化，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:04.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:07.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
推國產化嘛，興達海基國產化的東西做不出來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:07.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:09.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以這64億才會虧損，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:09.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:15.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你的國產化可能沒有錯，可是為什麼當初沒有很詳細的、很細膩的去做這件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:16.441000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:18.763000+08:00 |
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所以什麼叫民主政治、責任政治？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:19.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-08T10:16:21.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
政府都完全沒有責任嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-08T10:16:21.844000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:04.238000+08:00 |
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報告委員，策略是正確的，但是達不到策略目標的話，應該去檢討執行的過程有沒有錯誤，我想你應該是同意這樣的說法，我在看，我們後來事後檢討有發現是因為它的學習曲線太慢，第二個是興達港的深度不夠，但是風電的市場已經改變非常大，就是我們的進步太慢，跟不上這個時代的改變，所以這個是作為我們下一次在投資的時候，我們必須衡量五年以後、十年以後的技術環境到達哪裡，看看我們能不能夠進入。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:05.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:09+08:00 |
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部長，損害已經造成了，要怎麼去彌補這個虧損？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:12.601000+08:00 |
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不要只有中鋼員工跟股民吞下去。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:12.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:15.181000+08:00 |
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第二個是你剛剛講的，好好去檢討，要趕快檢討啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:16.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:17.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
對，我們現在是就這一個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:19.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:31.414000+08:00 |
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興達海基這個錯誤的政策，或者說你剛剛講的執行不力，造成這個虧損，下一個更嚴重了，你剛才說不強迫，現在台智電這個事情嚴重到什麼程度？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:31.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:34.580000+08:00 |
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你一直說不強迫，問題是中鋼1,000萬已經丟下去了，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:36.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-08T10:17:46.576000+08:00 |
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據我的了解，我知道的內幕是中鋼下面都已經空出來，都已經開始在組織化，人力、辦公室都找啦，中鋼已經被你們授命要做啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-08T10:17:48.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:00.407000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我也有親自跟黃董事長講，如果你們跟工會沒有辦法解釋得很清楚，沒有溝通得很詳細，你全部退出、你全部退出！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:00.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:01.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
確定喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:01.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:02.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
沒有問題、沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:03.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:04.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
白紙黑字喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:04.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:05.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我second round進來的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.312 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:06.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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2025-01-08T10:18:15.419000+08:00 |
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來、來、來，聽清楚，部長說了，你已經說了，如果中鋼董事長跟總工會這邊、跟他們的員工溝通，大家沒有答應，他們隨時可以退出，是不是？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.745 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:15.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:17.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
包括那1,000萬可以撤回…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:18.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:19.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
可以，沒有問題、沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:19.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:29.664000+08:00 |
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好，這是第一個；第二個，關於這個綠電平臺，我上次就跟你要求過了，台電既然有綠電平臺，你就好好用台電的部分，你為什麼要去成立這個新的？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:30.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:36.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
第二個，這個很嚴重喔，我跟你說，你一直在保證說不會虧錢，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:36.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:43.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
部長，你知道台積電最有名的就是……綠電公司一度電要賣台積電5塊，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:43.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:43.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
他們都不買了嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:46.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:46.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我有去查我們113年的躉購電價，你曉不曉得風電的躉購電價一度是多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:53.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-08T10:18:54.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
113年，綠電的躉購電價一度是多少錢？4.6。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-08T10:18:55.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:00.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
4.6嘛，4.5將近4.6，所以你看，我們用躉購電價一次去簽20年還是25年是4.5到4.6，你賣台積電5塊，台積電不買了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:00.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:03.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
那你現在跟我講，你去買會比去年的躉購電價高還是低？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:19.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:21.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
如果你比他高，那就台電去買就好了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:23.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:35.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這個躉購電價就是台電去買的價格嘛，台電現在也不要這個價格，你現在不會虧錢……部長，現在兩個事情，第一個，你要保證你的價格不會比原來的躉購電價高，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:36.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:38.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
這是第一個，你今天可以做這個保證嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:38.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:48.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
第二個就是我說的，你要先找到買家，你才能夠賣，不然的話，你現在一直都不曉得買家在哪裡，你簽什麼MOU都不準喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:49.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:52.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
你契約要先打出來喔，哪一個企業要買你的電？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:52.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-08T10:19:53.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
你說聯電、東和鋼鐵都要買，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-08T10:19:53.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:09.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
MOU都不算，這幾間公司一定要簽，你要買多少電，確定有買家，我才能夠去買，不然到時候買進來銷不出去，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:09.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:10.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
這跟台電現在的狀況是一樣的！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:10.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:12.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:12.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:17.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
以後這個平臺買了一堆電，沒有買家，到後來就是叫中鋼去用、中華電信去用、中油去用嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:20.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:21.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
為什麼中鋼的股票現在會跌？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:22.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:23.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
部長，為什麼它股票會跌？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:25.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:27.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
除了興達海基之外，就是因為你這個購電平臺啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.45 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:28.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:28.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
你要趕快踩煞車啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:29.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:32.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
今天委員既然這樣講，我想我已經答應讓它退出嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:33.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:34.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
它明天股票會不會漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:34.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:36.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
它怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:36.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:37.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
會不會漲，這個因素已經沒有了，它會不會漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:39.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:39.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
來、來、來，拭目以待！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:39.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2025-01-08T10:20:46.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
今天部長都講了，當然你講的話要能夠落實，不能你講一講，你們後面又叫中鋼不能退喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2025-01-08T10:20:46.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:06.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
報告委員，這裡是國會殿堂，所以我講的就是我必須要去執行的事情，所以我再講一次，中鋼如果沒有辦法跟他們工會的同仁做充分的溝通，那麼他們隨時可以退出這個平臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:07.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:15.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
部長今天做了很鄭重的宣布，我想中鋼很多的員工現在應該是鼓掌叫好的，包括那一百三十幾萬的股民，我就看部長做這個保證以後，股價有沒有跳起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:15.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:16.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
這我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:15.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:16.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
馬上檢視、馬上檢視，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:16.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:16.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:16.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:37.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
還有一件事情，我問一下一個嘉義的大事情，我上個月邀請你去我們嘉義考察，我們有提到嘉義是棒球的原鄉，很有名的就是KANO，你當場也講你們會去認養跟幫助對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.671 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:37.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:39.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
現在達成了怎麼樣的具體進展？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:39.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:48.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
現在就是由台糖公司來協助嘉義大學的棒球隊。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:48.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:49.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
怎麼樣協助？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:49.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:50.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
至少兩個事情要做啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:51.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:52.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
第一個就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:52.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:53.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
要不要冠名？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:53.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:55.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
例如，你看你有很多嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:56.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:57.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
台電都有球隊…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:57.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:57.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我們冠名…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:57.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2025-01-08T10:21:58.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
冠名，冠台糖……冠名。冠名？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2025-01-08T10:21:58.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:00.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
台糖KANO嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:00.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:02.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
冠名台灣糖業。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:02.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:02.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
第一個是冠名。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:03.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:07.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
第二個，嘉義KANO有棒球場，嘉義大學有棒球場，可以來認養棒球場對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:08.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:10.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
還是做怎麼樣的幫忙？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:11.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:12.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
我們就是先把球隊……冠名。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:13.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:19.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
冠名，這是第一個階段，第二個階段才會協助他們怎麼樣訓練，提升他們的戰績，這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:21.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:28.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
好，謝謝，所以從今天開始，嘉義不只是有名的KANO，嘉義大學的棒球隊全世界有名，不是只有臺灣喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:28.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:35.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
是，你可以問嘉義大學的校長，也可以問我們台糖的董事長，這個我們都已經形成了。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:35.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:40.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
好，那就是有台糖嘉義大學棒球隊了，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:40.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:51.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
以後要盡力幫忙，這個對整個嘉義，不是只有棒球，對整個體育會有很大的發展，台糖也做了一件很重要的事情，你們投入體育，你看人家中油都有球隊了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:51.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:54.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
中油、台電都有了，恭喜台糖以後也有一個好的球隊。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:54.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:55.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
是，謝謝委員支助。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:55.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2025-01-08T10:22:57.351571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
好，謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2025-01-08T10:22:57.651571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2025-01-08T10:23:01.651571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
在謝衣鳯委員質詢完畢，我們休息。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2025-01-08T10:23:01.951571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2025-01-08T10:23:04.808714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
現在請鄭天財委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0 |