| IVOD_ID |
158752 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158752 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T10:11:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T10:22:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb581869bbf8167a2deda56fd3a12bc29fbb2e7e046cfb2de4f7b0f568547c5b28c35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:32 - 10:22:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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請郭部長沒關係先喝個水 |
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我問一個一定被國會的問題,新打海資這事情應該被國會 |
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六十四億六十四億是大減重的事情我去統計啊 去年我們有三變的風態造成的國家的虧損就只有六十四億這個 這是這個虧損六十四億 你看一個錯誤的政策對國家影響有這麼大啊 一月三號中間的這個元剛教幹部啊 總工會起來陳情他們問一個很重要的問題 今天 這邊有五個 我問你 |
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這64億的這個虧損中鋼全部要吞下去嗎?一間扛起嗎?這對中鋼合理嗎?就公司法來講啦這是他的子公司嘛當然他要扛起來啊對啊那些人做結策的人要付錢嗎?中鋼很可憐耶我看去年早上股票還有23塊多耶我剛剛上去看上禮拜跌破二字頭剛剛剩18點多耶 |
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這是多輸喔 第一個 國家輸喔我們有20%的股份所以國家就輸了嘛 對不對第二個 員工很多人買了很多中鋼的股票那是他的貼紙的關財本 他說那是寡財本耶大幅的縮水第三個 130幾萬的股民國家輸中鋼的員工輸130幾萬的股民輸結果政府現在有沒有人負責 拍拍屁股 |
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叫中綱負責嗎?這什麼東西要負責?就公司法,就公司法而言就是中綱要負責中綱,還是要找中綱的當事人跟中經理,還有經濟部的,那時候的經濟部、行政院都要負責啊這個要責任啊,不然他要做不對的事情都,都很可憐,股民的,我跟你講現在都有股民搞不好都要告你們背信罪啦怎麼說呢? |
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不是,你害人害成這樣,現在還在跌呢?報告委員,我想我們就經營跟工作來源工會,事業有專攻,企業的這個決策是由董事會負責 |
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對不對 所以補定的意思很清楚嘛所以補定的意思就是中間的董事會跟董事長總理要負責的責任董事會對公司的經營做出了一個原則上面的這個決策以後董事長總經理依照董事會的這個決策來實施嘛所以補定 你這個補定而已你認為這個事情的責任要怎麼追 |
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損害這麼嚴重誰要做這個我們當然是要釐清他為什麼會造成這個樣子然後再從他的過程裡面看有沒有需要我們搞過去的部分現在兩個問題嘛我剛才問你第一個 |
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這64億中鋼就吞下去嘛教練一直看他中鋼要負責的嘛對不對那這個公不公平這是第一個問題損害有多大第二個就是責任責任的歸屬嘛你說要檢討嘛對不對你如果還要我們檢討這個事情報告委員這個不是用這樣子來衡量啦齁你看看英特爾是美國發明半導體的公司也賺了那麼多的錢但是在去年虧損那麼大你說應該要追究誰的問題 |
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公司經營不能夠這樣討論啦但是我們認為我們當然有責任去看中鋼為什麼會虧損這件事情到底是出在哪裡下一次再有類似的情形我們就去改善這個事情是不是中鋼沒有弄應該不是吧 |
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他就是推國產化嘛 對不對推國產化嘛 叫星達海基國產化的東西做不出來嘛 對不對所以才會這64億才會虧損嘛 是不是這樣那你的國產化可能沒有錯可是你為什麼當初沒有很詳細的很細密的去做這件事情所以政府 三百萬坪出境敵責任政治政府都完全沒有責任嗎報告委員 |
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策略是正確的但是達不到策略的目標的話應該去檢討執行的過程有沒有錯誤啦我想這個你應該是同意這樣說法那我在看因為我們後來事後檢討是因為他的學籍曲線太慢 |
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第二個新達港的這個港的這個深度不夠但是這個風電的這個市場已經改變非常大就是我們的進步太慢跟不上這個時代的改變所以這個是作為我們下一次再投資的時候我們必須要衡量 |
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五年以後十年以後的這個技術環境到達哪裡我們能不能夠進入所以損害已經造成了這個怎麼去彌補這個虧損不要只有中鋼員工跟國民吞下去第二個你剛講的嘛好好去檢討要趕快檢討啦我們現在是就這個部分那從這個星島海基的這個錯誤政策或者說你剛講的執行力不利造成這個虧損來講下一個更嚴重了 |
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你剛才說不強迫啊現在台製電台製電這個事情演算到什麼程度你剛才說不強迫問題是中港一直一千萬已經丟下去了是不是 |
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我的了解 我知道的內幕是 中綱下面都已經空出來他都已經開始在組織化 已經人力啊什麼辦公室都找啦中綱已經被你們唆命要做啦我跟委員報告 我也有親自跟這個黃董事長講如果你們跟工會沒有辦法解釋得很清楚沒有溝通得很詳細 你全部退出 |
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也全部退出沒有問題沒有問題我先跟亂講白紙黑字喔我先跟亂進來的話沒有問題你已經說了只是中綱如果董事長跟總工會這邊跟他們的員工溝通大家沒有答應他們是隨時可以退出行不行是的包括那一千萬可以撤回沒有問題沒有問題好這是第一個第二個 |
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這個平臺 這個綠電平臺 我一定不會跟你要求過你台電之前有綠電平臺 你就好好用台電你為什麼要去成立這個新的第二個 第二個很嚴重啊 我跟你講你一直保證說不會虧錢 對不對我一定會知道 台積電通貨面對台積電 綠電公司要賣一坨五塊嘛 對不對他都不買了嘛那你想不想 去年我去查113年我們短過電價 風電短過電價一坨一坨這個 |
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113年綠電的短過電價是多少4.6元4.5元將近4.6元我們用短過電價一邊去簽20年還是25年是4.5元到4.6元你買台積電5塊台積電沒得買對不對那你現在你跟我講你去買你會比去年的短過電價高還是低 |
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如果你比他高那就台電去買就好啦這個等過電價就是台電去買的價格嘛台電現在也不要這個價格啊 |
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你現在不會虧欠 保證現在兩個事情嘛第一你要保證你的價格不會比這個原來的短貨電車高嘛是不是 這是第一嘛你今天可以做這個保證嗎第二個就是我說的你要先找到買家你才能夠賣喔要不然的話你現在一直都不曉得買家在哪裡你簽什麼MOU都不算喔你KU要先打出來喔哪一個企業要買你的電你說聯電啦 什麼東和 東和鋼鐵都要買對不對MOU都不算 |
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這幾間公司一定要給他簽,你買多少電有硬幣,有買家我才能夠去買不然買一百塊錢就是買了之後銷不出來嘛對不對這跟台電現在的狀況是一樣的嘛那以後這個平台買了一堆電沒有買家到後來就是叫中鋼去用,中華電信去用,中油去用嘛現在中鋼的股票現在會落嗎?為什麼那股票會跌? |
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在新台海這一關就是為了這些過電平台啊你要趕快去踩煞車啊好那今天委員既然這樣講我想我已經答應說讓他退出嘛他明天會不會股價會不會漲 |
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會不會漲啊 這個因素已經沒有了來來 拭目以待啦 今天部長說講了那當然你要打 你講的話要能夠落實喔不然你公共的你後面又叫一聲叫中綱不能退喔這也是國會殿堂所以我講的就是我必須要去執行的事情所以我再講 我再講一次中綱如果沒有辦法跟他的這個國會的同跟他這個工會的同仁做充分的溝通 |
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那麼他隨時可以推出這個平台部長今天做了很鄭重的宣布我想中鋼很多的員工現在應該是股長叫好的包括那一百三十幾萬的股民我就看部長這個保證以後股票還沒跳起來馬上檢視好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員我問一個自己的大事我上次邀請你去我自己考察 |
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你當場有 我們有提到我們家裡是棒球的這個園鄉 很有名的就是卡農你當場也講說你們會去認養跟幫助嘛 對不對那現在達成了怎麼樣的進展現在就是由台糖公司來這個協助嘉義大學的這個棒球隊怎麼樣來協助 至少兩個事情要做啊 |
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就是第一個要不要冠名 例如說冠 你看你有很多嘛 你台電都有球隊 例如說冠名 冠名冠名喔 台灣糖業這個第一個冠名 第二個我們有嘉義 這個卡通有棒球場嘛嘉義大學有這個棒球場 黑台鎮有這個棒球場對不對 |
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還是做怎麼樣的幫忙我們就先把球隊然後冠名這是第一個階段第二個階段才會協助他們怎麼樣訓練提升他的戰績這樣 |
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謝謝喔 所以從今天開始嘉義的不只是有名的Cannon嘉義大學的這個棒球隊全世界有名 不是台灣喔是 這個你可以問嘉義大學的校長也可以問我們台塘的董事長我們都已經 這個都已經形成了好 那就是有台塘嘉義大學棒球隊了是不是是謝謝 以後要盡量怎麼幫忙 |
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這個對整個嘉義不是只有棒球 整個體育會有很大的一個發展台糖也做了一件很重要的事情你們投入體育 你看人家中流都有球隊中友台電都有了以後恭喜台糖也有一個好的球隊謝謝委員資助 |