| IVOD_ID |
158750 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158750 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T09:53:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T10:03:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb5888956afbb55d419da56fd3a12bc29fbb2e7e046cfb2de4f734c2034a5d6bfafb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:38 - 10:03:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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陳庭輝委員質詢謝謝主席我們請台湯董事長請吳董事長董事長我想我現在很瞭解國福那契是甚麼 |
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它的軌道是一般國際的二分之一 叫五分之一軌道五分之一軌道蓋在我們台中有什麼不一樣的感情蓋在我們的文化因為以前我們的感情在文書都用五分之一軌道這就是 |
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所以五分車跟我們的台糖有很深的關係對不對也就是我們五分車料我們的糖鐵這是一體的因為它代表的是台糖的歷史我們台糖多久了 |
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我們現在如果說改成台南人的公司是七...不要說改成公司啦就是說從過去到現在我們開始用五分之一來再減價這樣再騰這樣一路到現在不管你公司怎麼改變這都不管就是從台湯七十八年七十八年到現在多久啊 |
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已經70倍年了78年請問你有沒有想要找回最能代表台唐的歷史 |
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現在我們可以在運行的我們都盡量去去除好現在在運行的你們有沒有盤整過現在到底多少被留下來你說你也當運行的盡量留下來好你有沒有去查查看現在到底 |
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有多少被留下來目前在運行的跟委員報告就是西武糖廠到草埔段第二個是蒜頭糖廠到嘉義的高鐵站以及新營糖廠的到中興站到火燒店站 |
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以前最 |
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多的時候是三千多公里在台灣那目前跟委員報告我們在運行大概三十公里左右三千多公里跟三十公里這差了五天了吧我們要怎麼去保存台東的我們的力量 |
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我想因為這差太遠了吧我為什麼來董事長為什麼用這個問題來跟你討論就以淵源最深的台南來講台南跟台東的淵源有親嗎有很深吧對我們的現在總公司也在台南是啊是好在台南被保留了多少 |
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現在台南被保留的是132.5公里啦被保留的被保留的對包括立道你是說被保留我是說你有真正開發成為五分之一回歸過去基地的這部分是多少 |
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8.6在泰南有8.6嘛對132目前被保留但是8.2有真正開發海保留五分車的這樣的一個歷史原貌對不對對好那請問該不會差太多 |
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跟委員報告 你要怎麼串聯 你要怎麼串聯五分車在要開的話 相關的比如說安全還有那個方便性 還有有的可能要所以囉 董事長 今天我為什麼用這個議題我要跟你討論的是 我們要怎麼保留台湯整個歷史文化 |
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我們要從五分之一回頭開始說但是今天我們已經遺忘了這個比例差太遠了我們怎麼在安全的考量又可以恢復它原始的一個歷史風貌來做一個交通串聯這是我們要做的而不是今天想到說這很困難的要把它串聯起來很困難的 |
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一個困難我們就裹足不前我們怎麼對得起在整個78年以來走過的堂鐵走過的文化董事長我們要不要用一個專案我從過去一直談談到現在還是一樣我們的進度非常的緩慢 |
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一定是要由縣市政府主力推我也知道有困難可是我覺得遺憾的是如果在台南我們可以把保護那家家團體慢慢一段一段把它串聯起來 |
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我相信他絕對是原台南縣也就是說在我們整個農村生活還有食農教育一個非常好的串聯對不對你可以想像那個情境嗎我很期待 |
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我不認為說真的盤整有這麼困難我也不認為說恢復有這麼困難我更不認為串聯有這麼困難事在人為 |
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董事長 我們要不要來開創一個先機我們來努力一下好不好好 我們專案來study一下當然也是要各地縣市政府來配合你們的態度也很重要啊縣市政府每一次如果跟我們台湯在討論這個問題你們就說 哇 安全 |
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安全這兩個字不是不能突破啊 沒錯 現在我們一定要比照現在台鐵它的安全系這是沒錯的 因為安全第一 可是不是不能做 也不是不能進行可是我們每一次都把這兩個字擺在前面之後 好像動都動不了 |
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這是不應該的好不好好董事長我們來努力一下好study一下好謝謝委員然後再來我希望就是說我們能夠重振糖鐵文化來帶動觀光還有五分車來串聯我們的交通這是非常重要的另外一個就是閒置多年將近30公頃的台南新營糖廠如何活化再利用 |
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董事長 地方政府開了兩次會市政府在辦都市計畫的更新他開了兩次會嘛第一次會是在2024年的10月30號第二次是這個剛剛 |
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剛剛這個1月8號2025年的1月8號第二場好現在在做所有的一些相關的討論如果把它轉型為文化創意產業園區然後結合我們的歷史建築還有文化資產如果發展成為一個休閒文化藝術觀光多功能的空間是我們希望我們台堂 |
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應該要全力配合對我們一定會全力配合我們的文化歷史或觀光等之類的因為我們在這個區塊裡面有幾個市定古蹟也就是我們的鹽水港治堂諸市會社的總社辦公室還有塑膠工廠的辦公室還有員工餐廳還有宿舍群這四個市定古蹟然後還有26個 |
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文化資產潛力的建築所以我相信我們一定要透過這個串聯把這樣的一個在地歷史文化保留兼具觀光所以我剛剛講的為什麼塘田很重要交通很重要我過去在新娘大學 |
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在新娘我印尼就會記得我們經過都看了五分那車在那鐵軌當中在跑那種記憶永遠記憶猶新我們一起努力我們如果把西北重新能夠整合再出發台塘扮演很重要的角色謝謝 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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我們請台糖董事長。 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-08T09:53:59.457000+08:00 |
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請吳董事長。 |
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1 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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董事長，五分車是什麼？ |
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0.556 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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2025-01-08T09:54:07.726000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T09:54:12.570000+08:00 |
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它的軌道是一般國際的二分之一，所以叫五分車。 |
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0.85 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:54:13.952000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T09:54:21.459000+08:00 |
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五分車與台糖有什麼不一樣的感情及文化？ |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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因為以前甘蔗運輸都用五分車，以後改成輕便車，也都用五分車的軌距啦！ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:54:32.202000+08:00 |
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所以五分車跟台糖有很深的關係，對不對？ |
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0.941 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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1 |
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是，委員。 |
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0 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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也就是五分車跟糖鐵是一體的，因為它代表的是台糖的歷史。是。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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台糖有多久了？ |
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0.667 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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如果改成台糖公司是…… |
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0.778 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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不要說改成公司啦！ |
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1 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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就是從過去到現在，開始用五分車來載甘蔗並製糖，這樣一路到現在，不管公司怎麼改變，這都不管，就是從台糖……78年。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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78年到現在多久了？ |
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0.857 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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已經78年了。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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1 |
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已經78年了？是。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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請問你有沒有想要找回最能代表台糖的歷史？ |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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是的，委員，五分車現在可以運行的，我們都儘量去處理。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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你們有沒有盤整過現在到底有多少被留下來？ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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你說可以運行的都儘量留下來，你有沒有去查看現在到底有多少被留下來？ |
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0.871 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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跟委員報告，目前在運行的部分有溪湖糖廠到草埔段、蒜頭糖廠到嘉義高鐵站，以及新營糖廠到中興站到火燒店站。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:56:11.367000+08:00 |
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1 |
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有多少？3條。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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1 |
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董事長，這些比例跟以往相比有多少留下來？比例…… |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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以前五分車都在載甘蔗，78年前這樣一路到現在，然後現在留下來的，這比例差多少？ |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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以前在臺灣最多是三千多公里，目前在運行的大概是30公里左右。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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三千多公里跟30公里，這差得遠了吧！ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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我們要怎麼去保存台糖的歷史？ |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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2025-01-08T09:56:59.459000+08:00 |
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我想因為…… |
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1 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:56:59.459000+08:00 |
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這差太遠了吧！ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:02.141000+08:00 |
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董事長，我為什麼用這個問題來跟你討論？ |
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0.941 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:06.064000+08:00 |
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就以淵源最深的臺南來講，臺南跟台糖的淵源有深嗎？有。 |
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0.87 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:12.849000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:13.390000+08:00 |
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很深吧！ |
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1 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:14.090000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:16.652000+08:00 |
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對，我們現在的總公司也在臺南。是啊！ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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2025-01-08T09:57:18.894000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:21.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
在臺南被保留了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:24.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:28.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
現在臺南被保留的是132.5公里。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:30.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:30.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
被保留的？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:31.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:32.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，包括綠道。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:32.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:42.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你是說被保留的部分，而我說的是你們有真正開發五分車，回復過去記憶的部分是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.694 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:43.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:45.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
在臺南有8.6公里。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:45.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:46.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
8.6公里？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:46.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:56.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
目前被保留的有132公里，但有8.6公里是真正開發並保留五分車的歷史原貌，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-08T09:57:56.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-08T09:57:57.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
請問會不會差太遠？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:01.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:02.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:02.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:04.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你要怎麼串聯？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:05.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:13.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
五分車要開的話，相關的安全、方便性以及有的可能要…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:15.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:20.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
董事長，今天我為什麼用這個議題？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:20.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我要跟你討論的是我們要怎麼保留台糖整個歷史文化，我們要由五分車從頭開始說…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:32.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
謝謝委員指導。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-08T09:58:47.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
但是今天我們已經遺忘了，這個比例差太遠了，你們怎麼在安全的考量下可以恢復它原始的歷史風貌，並做一個交通串聯？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-08T09:58:47.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-08T09:59:07.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這是你們要做的，而不是今天想到這很困難、要把它串聯起來很困難，一個困難就讓你們裹足不前，你們怎麼對得起整個78年以來走過的糖鐵、走過的文化？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-08T09:59:09.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-08T09:59:11.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
董事長，你們要不要用一個專案？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-08T09:59:13.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-08T09:59:56.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我從過去一直談，談到現在還是一樣，你們的進度非常緩慢，一定是要由縣市政府主力推，我也知道有困難，可是我覺得遺憾的是，如果在臺南你們可以把五分車跟糖鐵慢慢一段一段地串聯起來，我相信它絕對是原臺南縣也就是在我們整個農村生活還有食農教育一個非常好的串聯，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-08T09:59:56.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-08T09:59:58.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你可以想像那個情境嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-08T09:59:58.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-08T10:00:17.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我很期待，我不認為盤整真的有這麼困難，我也不認為恢復有這麼困難，我更不認為串聯有這麼困難，事在人為，董事長，我們要不要來開創一個先機？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-08T10:00:17.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-08T10:00:18.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們來努力一下好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-08T10:00:18.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-08T10:00:27.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，我們專案來study一下，當然也是要各地縣市政府配合，很多…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-08T10:00:27.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-08T10:00:32.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
你們的態度也很重要啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-08T10:00:33.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-08T10:00:42.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
縣市政府每一次在跟台糖討論這個問題時，你們就說要安全，可是「安全」這兩個字不是不能突破啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-08T10:00:42.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:05.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
沒錯，我們一定要比照現在臺鐵的安全性，這是沒錯的，因為安全第一，可是不是不能做，也不是不能進行，我們每一次都把這兩個字擺在前面，然後好像動都動不了，這是不應該的，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:06.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:07.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
董事長，我們來努力一下。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:07.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:08.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
study一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:08.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:09.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:10.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:22.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
再來，我希望我們能夠重振糖鐵文化來帶動觀光，還有用五分車來串聯我們的交通，這是非常重要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:22.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:30.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
另外還有一個問題就是閒置多年、將近30公頃的臺南新營糖廠如何活化再利用？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:32.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:35.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
請董事長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:35.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:36.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:35.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:37.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
地方政府開了兩次會。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:37.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:40.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
市政府在辦都市計畫的更新，那好像…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:40.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:42.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
有開了兩次會。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:42.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-08T10:01:57.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
第一次會議是在2024年的10月30號，第二次是在2025年的1月8號，才剛剛開完第二場。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-08T10:01:57.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-08T10:02:14.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，現在在做一些相關的討論，包括如何把它轉型為文化創意產業園區，然後結合我們的歷史建築還有文化資產，還有如何發展成為一個休閒、文化、藝術、觀光等多功能的空間。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-08T10:02:15.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-08T10:02:19.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我們希望台糖應該要全力配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-08T10:02:20.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-08T10:02:24.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
對，我們一定會全力配合為我們的文化、歷史或觀光等…… |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-08T10:02:26.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-08T10:02:55.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
在這個區塊裡面有幾個市定古蹟，也就是鹽水港製糖株式會社的總社辦公室、塑膠工廠的辦公室、員工餐廳和宿舍群這4個市定古蹟，然後還有26個有文化資產潛力的建築，我認為我們一定要透過這個串聯，保留這樣的在地歷史文化兼具觀光。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
陳委員亭妃 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-08T10:02:55.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-08T10:03:24.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我剛剛也講了為什麼糖鐵很重要、交通很重要，我過去是在新營長大的，我永遠都記得我們都看到五分車行駛在鐵軌上，讓我永遠記憶猶新，我們一起努力，我們要思考如何能夠把西北重新整合再出發，台糖扮演很重要的角色，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-08T10:03:24.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-08T10:03:26.804714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
請張嘉郡委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |