| IVOD_ID |
158695 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158695 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-06T10:59:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-06T11:10:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/de7793bdba635484bb995c9d2fefed077d5a9e1565835ab693850abadfa9c29fdab12b64c84673915ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:20 - 11:10:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員徐富癸等18人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家公園法第十三條及第二十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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上禮拜我們處理了國土計畫法國土計畫法你一開始的宣示是要如期上路很遺憾上禮拜五 |
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本院多數的委員包括執政的民主進步黨的委員直接打槍六年以後才要上路剛剛前一個質詢的委員張其凱委員已經代表了台灣民眾黨黨團清楚的表達了對於內政部部長劉世芳在國土計畫法你所提出來的政策立場清楚的 |
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被本院最大的兩個政黨民主進步黨加上中國國民黨聯手打槍你有沒有要負政治責任這不是文官依法行政的問題這是一個政務官的政策立場你希望明年應該是今年四月如期上路本院直接打槍 |
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對於你所要推展的政務啊立法院包括執政黨在內的立委都不支持有沒有要負政治責任謝謝委員的指教所以呢 有還是沒有我不曉得您所提的部分是哪一個部分的政治責任所負的政治責任很清楚啊你作為內政部部長 |
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本來要求國土計劃法今年四月如期上路嘛現在四月還沒有到啊所以你今年四月要你今年四月可以如期上路不清楚不清楚上個禮拜五立法院所過的國土計劃法行政院有要提覆議嗎沒有沒有要提覆議那你如何如期上路因為在修法的裡面他有提到是十年內 |
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所以你今年四月所以你今年四月會讓阿魯齊上路嗎是嗎報告委員我剛有跟張委員提到目前就是兩個縣市政府還沒有把國土功能分區圖送上來那桃園市政府是春節那那個南投縣政府我們正在努力所以你的計畫是要春節如果啦 |
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這兩個縣市政府送上來了你現在的政策立場還是一樣今年四月上路是嗎報告委員法律上授予給我們的是有延緩六年但是內那到底是六年內一年內五年內其實都很難說那我剛有特別提到我們現在碰到的部分就是說需要把 |
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預告的這個16個執法抽回來變成一共要預告23個執法因為現在的新的國土計畫法已經修正包括原住民要加入航運這些剛剛說過的東西沒有必要複述啦請你針對問題回答今年4月你有沒有要讓他上路我們會努力但是能不能達成目標不敢現在就跟委員報告沒有關係啦上個禮拜五 |
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包括執政黨的立委在院會裡面是怎麼發言的今年四月我就等著看看你之前所宣示的政策立場會不會如期實現如果不會的話你作為政務官的風骨跟政務官的原則 |
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我今天不急啊我就等你到今年四月啊看今年四月啊結果是如何第二個問題啊第二個問題啊上個禮拜台北地方法院開庭跟全國的人民公告會開放旁聽啊結果有一群人要進去法院旁聽啊被擋在被擋在法院的鋸馬外 |
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請問這是誰下令的台北市政府下令的還是警政署下令的人民到法院旁聽的權利啊要進去法院旁聽啊 |
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進不去讓大家覺得台北地方法院發那個公告是在騙人民嗎是在台北地院搞戒嚴嗎要進去旁聽進不去那個時候他們告訴我說有人要進去台北地方法院旁聽進不去我要發生什麼事他們那些要進去旁聽的民眾被警方擋在序碼外這件事情部長知道嗎 |
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呃 我知道警方有 呃 要做這個秩序的維護 但是秩序的維護是把要旁聽的民眾擋在鋸馬外嗎這裡並不清楚好 部長可不可以回去請教警政署是警政署下令的 |
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還是台北市政府下令的我來查一下好嗎權責要搞清楚三天之內回覆可以嗎你只是回去問一下請證書誰下令的嘛不是 報告委員您現在所說是12月26的話那就很快可以告訴您是誰下令的不是 我是說我回去問一下所以我說你三天之內回覆我可以嗎是好 謝謝之前啊 |
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包括賴清德總統所提的司法院院長 被提名人我在質詢他的時候 詢答的過程當中 他就直接講了說我們兩公約多次的國際審查報告都提到 極有法要檢討 要修正張文芬講的沒有錯 然後帶 |
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帶您看一下整個歷程我們的政府花大錢請了國際審查專家來審查我們的國家報告每一次請國際審查專家來的時候他們針對我們的集會遊行二法所表達的見解跟困惑是什麼啊表達嚴肅關切啊GO法為什麼還沒有過 |
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第一次的時候是2017年我們蔡英文前總統宴請國際審查委員吃得很好照片都有出來大家嘻嘻哈哈的不是為了吃飯是為了要審查我們的國家報告最後的結果是什麼來看一下2017年 |
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到目前為止 極有法沒有如專家在結論性意見與建議第75點的要求進行修法這是2017年的報告喔再看2021年的報告2021年的報告國際審查專家就看不下去了直接問啦到底是出於什麼樣的理由還沒有修訂到底是出於什麼樣的理由還沒有修訂到2022年2028號的時候語氣更強烈啦 |
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立法院還沒有通過的原因到底是什麼在這個部分請政府說明考量到現行法律違反了公正公約第21條為何需要6年多的時間來釐清來請教部長可不可以跟全民講一下連國際審查專家都看不下去這台灣到底在幹嘛找我們來審報告 |
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2017年就跟你講啦 極有法要修啊修到現在搞了幾年啊 就還是沒有修來 可不可以請部長示意一下報告委員 我想您所提出的這個部分我們非常的清楚現在極有法呢 仍然是在內部的審查當中還沒送到行政院對啊所以還沒有通過修正的理由是什麼 |
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是行政院延宕嗎是內政部拖延嗎是行政院擺爛嗎還是內政部擺爛現在我在幫國際審查專家所問的問題台灣公民我們大家都很關心我們的政府說我們要人權立國我們的政府說我們台灣簽了ICCP |
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跟世界人權潮流接軌國際審查專家說請政府說明考量現行的法律違反了公正公約21條為何需要6年多的時間來釐清啊國際審查專家請政府說明啊我們大家看了 |
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用我們納稅人的錢請來的國際審查專家提出來的問題我們大家都很關切啊但等不到政府一個答案啊您今天給的答案是說我們還持續在研議中是這樣嗎是這樣嗎 |
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是的你還要研議多久我沒有辦法給委員做一個比較明確的方向所以繼續拖嘛繼續混嘛下一次的時候要再找國際審查專家來的時候可能人家要再問一次啦要再問一次啦這樣子浪費納稅人的錢找國際審查專家來幹嘛來做秀嗎來做秀嗎 |
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國際審查專家問的問題你們也不回答事情也不解決就繼續放著就繼續放著這個就是我們現在內政部的態度喔就是我們現在內政部的態度喔繼續研議嘛 還要研議多久你也不知道研議到2028年總統改選會不會研議出來你也不知道 |
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你也不知道嘛是吧2028年會願意出來嗎請教部長 |
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2028年會研議出來嗎請教部長你還是沒有辦法回應嘛所以你當什麼部長嘛你當什麼部長嘛連一個簡單的極優法什麼時候弄出來都無法回應表示我們內部有很多不同的聲音很多不同的聲音奇怪咧奇怪當初蔡英文提出這個政治承諾的時候我從來沒聽到啊民進黨說什麼內部有很多不同的聲音咧 |
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欸奇怪了換到賴清德的時候內部有很多不同的聲音喔兩套標準是不是謝謝委員的指教來葉言之葉言之葉言之 |