| IVOD_ID |
158694 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158694 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-06T10:49:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-06T10:59:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/de7793bdba6354843518b601eacad60e7d5a9e1565835ab693850abadfa9c29fec9b031307793c685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:49:12 - 10:59:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員徐富癸等18人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家公園法第十三條及第二十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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請博定給我署長請部長跟署長委員好博定委員好剛才很多委員都問財政措施法文法議要你們臉書上面PO的那個文他們說是恐嚇還是情熱其實我覺得同情還是什麼就是有沒有苦民所苦博定 |
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其實你說你們說要減少這個民生政策的錢280幾億其實你如果真的要砍人民的這個錢影響到民生那回過頭應該先檢討自己啊要不然先從部長的這個特別費開始特別費補訂有嘛 書訂也有今天所有在的處長都有編啊我看你 我看預算書訂明年每年有47萬的特別費啊你們每個處長都有啊 |
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我們是盡量不要砍可是你如果真的已經動到像你們說的要砍到民生的 |
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報告委員您誤解我們的意思我們現在所講的財政收支劃分法是中央跟地方的財政怎麼收怎麼支怎麼劃分所以現在從中央減少的部分未來一定是會到地方政府所以我們還沒有跟地方政府了解跟完成所有的這個預算分配之前中央政府可能要設算下下一年度我們可能會損失的財源不是為了情樂全國人民 |
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因為我們現在所要的公共建設都是要以全國人民的最大利益來考量而不是說錢不見了然後這個人民的收益就減少我想我們不是這個意思請委員不要誤解是哪些可以節省下來嘛不是節省你怎麼節省到民生影響到民生的政策呢不是節省變做地方政府要負擔的是多少 |
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你應該先從你自己可以省的,對不對,可以省的地方嘛現在是兩個問題,不然你現在有兩個問題預算規模不一樣,我們不能等同而已你現在有兩個大問題要解決,第一個,你沒有跟上進度嘛 |
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現在行政院的秘書長 交財政部長 租界長來 立法院都輕輕鬆鬆講沒有在明年馬上要實施嘛所以你太急了 你就潑了那個東西 這是第一個點 你趕快跟上進度因為我在5月30號的進度 跟上個禮拜行政院秘書長講的部分大概有一個禮拜之差所以我剛剛有跟很多委員講說 我們內政部裡面的官網裡面的文字的落差我們回去會去做檢討 |
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所以第一首先檢討啦,跟上進度這是一個,第二我剛才提醒就是說你在任何減少預算的時候,你要檢討是什麼?有沒有腐爛的嘛?浪費的預算很多啊,各個部位都有啊 |
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你像水電費就是太多了嘛今年中央政府總預算今年 欸 五年 五年才八十億水電費八十億 明年要增加到一零一啊這當然就是用得太多啊 人民也不同意啊這個去減 人民就鼓掌嘛那有些不當 鼓動議事要減包括內政部 大家出國的預算那麼多部長 我跟你講這個在整個那個草野協商的時候這個一定是統三一定會刪掉的啦所以你不要擔心錢不過要環熱劣質沒搞什麼 兩百七十幾億沒搞 我跟你講 |
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你這會在獲益館啊報告委員您剛所提的這個不當的、糊爛的甚至有弊案的砍一砍要砍出一個三千億太容易了你不用四川那個民生了真的你要去砍民生回來砍自己從自己的特別會開始我們當然會檢討但是我也要跟委員報告水電費在公家機關來講那叫私底下給啦你有多少水府的電單多少電府的電單叫給叫給 |
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省水省電嗎我只是跟委員報告一下說在有公務員他們一定是依法行政依照規定繳交水電費 不會多交也不能少交我還要寫啦 要寫來 柏定我來問你國土計畫法的事來來來 柏定國土計畫法現在要三讀修正了齁那怎麼樣 你不會提復議案啦不會送到道法官去解釋吧 對不對目前我也沒有嘿 |
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不會 就是接受立法院的這個三讀修正的條文是 因為在立法院他完成三讀的程序當中我懷疑之前你態度很強硬啊沒有 報告委員我們擔任公務人員就是依法行政法律授權給我們多少我們就做多少 |
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那現在國土計畫法已經在大院審查通過三讀通過的話我們按照三讀通過的原則跟裡面的部分來處理但是有一點就是說有關執法的部分我們雖然已經公告了16項但是因為已經有修正所以這16項要重新公告也就是說23項的執法的部分要給我們一點時間要重新公告博定你發現這邊國土計畫法修正裡面你有一部室沒有 |
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第一個你也沒有事先好好準備好,第二個你也沒有好好溝通,你怕縣市政府跟民眾也不好好溝通然後到後來也沒有充分消除大家餘力更嚴重的,你也沒有因地制宜啊所以有四個沒有啊,啊不人家也在問一個問題啊你本來信誓旦旦馬上如期要做對不對,現在沒有如期上路你有沒有要負政治責任 |
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我跟委員報告一下現在新的進度啦22個縣市裡面就是桃園市政府跟南投縣政府還沒有送上國土計畫的功能分區圖但是我跟張善政市長還有跟他們在地的委員溝通過之後他們告訴我在春節前會把這個桃園市的這個國土功能分區圖送上來 |
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那南投縣長這個許縣長的部分呢我們也持續在溝通當中他所牽涉到的部分比較跟國土計劃法現行的這個處理條文比較不相干那我們幫忙他解決那也就是說在兩三個月之後我們希望22個縣市政府的國土功能分區圖都送上來那當我們根據新的國土計劃法的執法通過之後那我們再來一併公告執行也就是說我們按照 |
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這個大院新通過的國土計劃法的相關規範包括幾個條文修正的部分呢我們都會做一個檢討來處理不是只有縣市長跟你有不同的這個意見很多民間團體或者農民有意見連民進黨的立法院跟你意見都是不一樣的如果是你現在過來你以前當過立委對不對你以前的立委劉士芳如果碰到一個這樣內政部長連跟自己的執政黨立委都溝通不良你會不會要讓他負起政治責任 |
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因為我現在是當一個行政官員所以我並不願意回答如果的問題但是我跟委員報告我們在這過程的討論當中國土計畫法牽涉最多是農業還有農會 |
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那這個部分呢農業部幫忙我們非常多所以這一次呢有若干委員所提出跟所謂的農業權或是農地發展權相關的部分在最後一刻的時候呢就沒有把它放到我們國土計畫法裡面 |
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因為我們認為國土計劃法應該是市農工商各種包括都市計劃都可以放進去那我們也很謝謝包括很多委員都支持我們提出一個鄉村整體規劃法這個部分對於偏鄉地區的都市計劃來講是一個正向的發展 |
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所以一來一往當中呢其實也是可以局限出來說在2015年通過的國土計畫法經過10年之後它確實有需要檢討跟改善的空間那所以站在我們立場我們就根據新的國土計畫法三讀通過之後做執法的修正然後再繼續跟地方政府來溝通其實全民在看你的就是你有沒有去傾聽民意啦 |
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要不要做好溝通啦 搞不好就是沒有 我跟你說的不是自己管理政府的意見 農民有意見連你的民進黨立委都有意見現在是兩個問題 第一個你要不要負政治責任 這是一個第二個 現在爭取到展年六年對不對你這六年你就好好去傾聽把事情規劃好 你剛才所謂的一步是沒有 |
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你這四個沒有 你在未來這個六年謝謝委員的指正 我們會來檢討因為剩下一點點時間 我直接就不用回答太魯閣的那個有一個峽谷的馬拉松今年就停辦了嘛我請那個 |
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不可能辦嘛那他們希望明年辦這個太魯閣這邊要怎麼去幫忙一定要注意到安全當然這是一個國際的盛事啦很多人都希望可以參加可是一定要注意安全好不好另外第一件 陽明山有那個象天蝦那個有沒有那個湖啊每次下雨就很多人去那邊我的好朋友啊包括謝金河之前都說他進去那個湖過嘛 |
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那個怎麼避免再進去,我看你們說要開罰嘛醫療那個地方的安全,避免大家去破壞這個生態,這個一定要做到另外一個,大家很注意,大家記得晴天剛都有看到那個野生的水牛對不對你們之前有提說要那個野生水牛每次下雨就衝下來把那個農田都採壞了對不對甚至有民眾發生危險啊你們之前有提說要去做什麼庇護的措施,到現在沒做耶這什麼 |
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好啦剛剛我也已經說你們書面在回答他啦好不好不好意思因為我們我已經給你很多時間了因為現在很多民眾大家喜歡去看那些野生的水牛可是一碰到下雨那個真的老實講真的是危險的你是要給那個屁股手嘛好不好好給我給我個書面來 |