| IVOD_ID |
158693 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158693 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-06T10:38:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-06T10:49:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/de7793bdba635484386df234cb5612ee7d5a9e1565835ab6ed959dcea458019ca5ee903531ddfe835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:38:56 - 10:49:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員徐富癸等18人擬具「國家公園法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家公園法第十三條及第二十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席請劉部長好 請部長 |
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本來本席沒有要談這一點 但看到今天前面蠻多委員在提的就是有關財政收支劃分法三讀通過之後 內政部也有發布新聞 |
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但是我們上週行政院秘書長明確的跟我們說行政院跟各部會都還沒有共識行政院也還沒有下達說好 哪一個部會或是大家都等比例的會影響28%但是我們行政院就這樣發布新聞本席覺得太過粗糙所以在今天質詢之前我也要特別來表達就算有影響 |
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我相信也不會是各部會平均分配反而本席要請部長我們應該要積極的向行政院來爭取爭取我們內政部我們該有的這個費用那內政部更不可以以補助民眾的項目來作為對民眾情緒勒索的素材 |
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那更重要的是本席也希望我們各部會應該要想辦法遵截行政費用還有一些過度腐爛的宣傳費出國考察費用一些管理成本要應該來盤點 |
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他的這個優先項目所以本席在前面質詢的時候我特別先提出來那還是要回歸這個今天我們開會的主題就是國家公園法的部分條文修正那本席要特別針對 |
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这次修法有针对各种破坏山林的行为加以罚则但是会破坏山林的不是只有不孝的游客或宵小其实政府不当的施政也会造成环境的破坏还有生态的冲击近邻碳排是国际的趋势 |
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本席看到內政部推動國家公園碳管理計畫配合淨零碳排的政策施行規劃在我們的遊客中心或者是國家公園管理處或是相關的一些廳舍或宿舍的屋頂停車場架設太陽能光電板 |
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这个部分我们还蛮有意见的因为我国的国家公园形态差异很大譬如说像高海拔的阳明山玉山雪坝国家公园或者是被海洋环绕的 |
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東沙環礁國家公園澎湖南方四島國家公園或者具有歷史文化資產的金門國家公園這麼巨大的環境差異難道都可以一概而論裝太陽能板嗎部長我們這個要裝太陽能板這個政策這個是確定嗎 |
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報告委員我們現在在國家公園寄存的建築上面裝設太陽能板是一個目前為止要解決如果萬一電力中斷的時候國家公園包括山屋他們會有自己的電力這是一個所以他是以自用為原則 |
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那既然是自用為原則的話我們也是考慮全世界其他的國家公園是否有這樣的案例確實也有也就是說如果萬一發生地震或是發生大的風災的時候電線桿倒塌那山屋上面或是我們在非常高山的這種管理機構裡面沒有電的來源的話它是否最佳的來源就是太陽能那既然最佳來源是太陽能的話我們希望能夠在原來既有的建築上面裝設太陽能板 |
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就是只有這樣而已有評估過一定要用太陽能板嗎因為太陽能板啊因為國家公園它就是要保護我們的生態跟環境景觀各方面但是是既有建築對啊 你加了太陽能板上去就會破壞生態那如果環境影響評估沒過那我們就不會做所以case by case每個島家公園當然那你們現在評估完了嗎 |
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還在評估中嗎我們持續的評估中因為每一個地方它的光線照度跟像陽明山它可能就不適合因為它的那個常常會被雲遮陽光不強 |
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對然後那個我們還有會涉及到景觀的問題還有一個如果他會對景觀還有生態對他如果會有影響我們就不會設那這樣其實我看其實能夠的也不多我們國家公園就是要 |
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畫色來保護的是不是我看就不要因為我接著要講太陽能板還有第二個問題一個是生態一個是生態已經有民眾反應那個太陽能板的反光會影響一些動物特殊的包括已經確定的是黑面皮鹿那個就在濕地那可能還有一些 |
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我們沒有我們還未知的還不知道的它會影響一些小動物或者是他們的生存你破壞了他的生態那太陽能板的這個反光是一個問題接著更重要的太陽能板的火災問題啊那個國家公園在這個山區救災很不易不是嗎 |
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是吧跟委員報告我們在整個國家公園如果要裝設太陽能光板就山屋要裝設太陽也是要經過評估另外我們的再生能源在國家公園內部的再生能源我們包括小水利等等我們都會去嘗試去處理而不是只有太陽能光我們的重點是要讓整個國家公園不是只有太陽能板我現在是針對太陽能板的部分那個再生能源 |
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小水利也是一個你小水利我沒意見我現在針對的是太陽能板我很有意見因為它如果一旦發生火災發生火災機率非常大我們本來就會評估適合不適合才再去處理不是說我們一定都目前有沒有評估中有沒有已經確定要裝太陽能板哪一家哪一個國家公園有沒有我們還在評估當中在整個環境評估當中評估完可不可以把報告給我們我們會把相關報告提高給大院好 |
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很快本席還要再問一下有關失地的部分我們的失地保育這個部分可不可以請部長可以跨部會的來溝通很快的本席請教我們新竹縣有兩處重要的國家級失地處長知道是哪裡嗎對新豐跟香山失地香山在新竹市不是新竹縣蓮花寺失地您知道嗎 |
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這一個不是我們的重要失地,它不在我們重要失地的範圍那是不是國防部一直判你?對所以,那新豐市,所以像新豐的失地,新豐也是我的家鄉,我在那邊出生的 |
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那現在部長這個新豐失地的話是造成了在地那個很多漁業漁民的漁業權的問題這個部分是不是可以請部長部長要跨部會整合一下你影響了他們長期在那裡漁民怎麼樣 |
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失地的畫社影響了漁民他終生在那裡漁業很久了那你現在去畫社造成很大的反彈這個部分要圓滿一點跟那個委員說明一下就是去年年底的時候新豐失地的保育利用計劃我們已經去年年底是指剛過掉的113年對那是上個月那個因為我們有跟漁會就是漁業署 |
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然後我們也跟地方政府我們有經過了溝通然後那個新豐濕地的保育利用計畫我們已經通過了由那個濕地審查小組我們所有的機制都會由審查小組去做審核跟確認有沒有納入生態教育還有整個觀光發展的規劃有沒有對 |
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那我們的分區也是經過在地的一個同意認同那我們才去做比如說環境教育比如說生態教育將來他們也可以做那個生態小旅遊那本席還是希望對這個東西總是需要協同環境部經濟部一起努力那也要拜託我們內政部這邊積極的來做好謝謝 |
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好 我們請張記開會 |