IVOD_ID |
158665 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158665 |
日期 |
2025-01-02 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-17 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
17 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-01-02T14:54:08+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-01-02T15:05:12+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:11:04 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e56efdf2dff7b62384c921d2cbf1168e401adefee6f0a6eb895b5cf774a2689c845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
委員發言時間 |
14:54:08 - 15:05:12 |
會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議(事由:請勞動部、衛生福利部、教育部就「推動友善職場、校園性騷擾與霸凌防治及長照悲歌並檢討現行長照制度缺失與長照3.0規劃」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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這個主席主席請一下勞動部紅部長 |
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部長我們推動友善職場大概就是要從好多個面向包括平常的教育宣導包括鼓勵受害者勇於舉報 |
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舉報了以後要怎麼保護受害者到後續雇主應該要怎麼妥善的處理這是一個很大的問題,我們也有相關的法律在做規範 |
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我常講只有法律是沒有辦法完成任何一件事情的,還是必須要真正的落實法律才是重點 |
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推動友善職場應該也算是勞動部一個很重要的工作怎麼讓勞工甚至於是你們自己的員工在職場上獲得保障避免受到不必要的不管是性貧性輕或者是霸凌種種 |
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這個請部長就是長期來關注那我今天想要跟部長就我們就業服務法剛通過修正的相關問題跟部長做個討論那這個我們新修的就業服務法放寬了80歲以上 |
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的長者就是聘用外國籍的看護工不用經過醫療機關的就取消八十兩票的規定面聘部長我們八十全國八十歲以上的人口有多少你知道 |
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91萬91萬多91萬那根據統計呢大概有53萬其實是健康的對可是現在原本假如有巴士量表就是大概大概不到40萬人 |
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可能有需求我們說可能有需求那現在突然多出了多出了潛在的需求者53萬對這個缺口你要怎麼你要怎麼怎麼補 |
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跟姚委員說明我們當然現在會來跟外交部那一起跟我們這個外籍看護工的來源主要的來源國那來討論說那有沒有可能這個攻擊就是 |
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跨國勞動力的供給在提高的可能但是這真的不完全超支在我們我知道這跟在母國他的自己的管理量能包括他能夠引進的量能都有很大的關係包括也跟我們其實在國際的 |
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這個移工的市場上面的競爭力都有關係那我們當然會來試圖在供給上面還能不能再提高可是我們自己目前來評估的話跟需求增加這麼多來比需求的總體大概是潛在有53萬人他可以拿到申請的資格 |
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那但是當然不會每個人都來申請所以我們大概估計了一下就是說如果從這個過去失能的整體失能的長者的話大概有五成的人需要外籍看護工跟長照那所以如果來來對比的話我們大概評估也許兩到三成需要的話那大概十萬到十幾萬之間那這十幾萬跟我們 |
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十幾萬就已經算很多了對所以十萬到十幾萬之間跟我們能夠在供給端能夠提高的量看起來這是為什麼我們這麼擔心的原因因為看起來供需的失衡有可能會加劇對因為我自己本身也是 |
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外籍看護工的雇主所以我知道這幾年就是缺工已經原本就很嚴重對這是本來就有的現象不過是這樣的立法院的法律通過那行政部門就是變成只能去做因應我們在國際就是勞動力引進其實先天上我們本來就 |
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簡單的講就是我們的工資遠不如日韓啦對沒錯就是在競爭上本來就已經就已經屈居若市對對對那現在一下子要不過這個還是必須要努力去做啦好不好 |
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我們會來跟 兩個部分應該是講說供給端會跟這個外交部來做討論那但是就整體因應尤其是怎麼樣來優先的保障這個重症家庭他受到照顧的權益這部分我們會跟衛福部來做這個商議可是你們好像好像沒有 |
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沒有權力去做判斷哪一個判斷就是優先優先照顧重度必須要照顧的因為他現在就是變成變成大家的條件都一樣除非是長照的部分當然是比較有優先順序可是外籍看護工並沒有外籍看護工就會變成你不可能去設定說說他80歲以上 |
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誰優先優先你們可以嗎我們沒有我們可能沒有辦法硬性的去設定可是我們怎麼來幫助他們可以比較容易找得到留得住或者是增加留得住的條件我們當然會想往這個方向來去協助但是確實因為這個修法後其實它的衝擊 |
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這個還是會很大我們只能在這裡減緩衝擊我們可能沒有辦法完全的讓這個衝擊不會發生我們只能試圖減緩衝擊假如說可以 |
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有一個配套出來就是看要怎麼疏導讓真正重中度失能的長者可以優先取得優先顧到外籍看護工那當然是最好我們會希望往這個方向來試著一些政策工具怎麼使用可是就是這可能不是一個絕對的事情因為它可能沒有辦法變成是一個強力的管制 |
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對你們沒有辦法因為法律本來就不允許你這麼做是那你剛剛講的非硬性的疏導方式有沒有優先協助啦優先協助 對 |
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怎麼協助因為禮拜二才剛修法通告嘛那我們接下來會跟衛福部來研擬這個降低衝擊的跨部會降低衝擊的配套的做法不過我在想衛福部可以的就是只有透過長照制度來做啊跟外籍看護公司是兩條比較 |
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相類似可是並不重疊的線因為衛福部比較了解需求他比較了解照護需求那勞動部這邊我們的專長是在勞動力管理那這一整件事情的因應可能會需要你也了解照護需求對照護需求有相對應不同的策略然後怎麼樣透過勞動力管理大家一起來配合所以這需要兩個部一起來合作可是我的理解是衛福部 |
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衛福部可能可以做的就是就是在請不到勞工的時候怎麼用長照制度去做挹注他可能比較沒有辦法跟你搭配來做外籍看護跟僱主的篩選 |
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我的意思嗎對但我說實質的做法我覺得這是一個合作但是可能不是互相取代的但是它是一個合作所以衛福部有衛福部比較擅長比較了解的部分我們勞動部有比較我們擅長了解的部分 |
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怎麼樣子在不同的功能上面一起來分工合作我們現在只能試圖往降低衝擊的方向來想可是恐怕那個衝擊還是會發生這是我們最擔心的這也是為什麼我們在修法前一直要提醒大家嚴正要提醒大家這個修法是不是一個妥當的修法副作用可能會很大我就是再用一分鐘講其實這幾天 |
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因為澎湖老人也多啦其實已經有一些僱主會擔心嘛其實我自己也擔心為什麼呢 因為現在本來就就是這幾年就是一年一年比一年難聘那現在又大幅度的放寬會產生 |
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外籍看護工他可以選擇照顧者他選擇亞健康的照顧者他不選擇重症 |
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那他選擇可以給他額外津貼多一點的經濟上的強勢者就是薪資 薪資也會大家順著要拉高三的增加機會這個也合理 站在他的立場 |
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他也會選擇地區我覺得像離島偏鄉也會越來越難找得到家庭看護工那法律通過了接下來就請 |
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部長我想這個議題也不會只有今天問那請部長趕快回去做一定的政策方向的擬定好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |