| IVOD_ID |
158661 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158661 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T14:09:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T14:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e510f87db4d04848cfc921d2cbf1168e4050eef425ccc1d4da36b710c635f0fc7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:09:49 - 14:23:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：請勞動部、衛生福利部、教育部就「推動友善職場、校園性騷擾與霸凌防治及長照悲歌並檢討現行長照制度缺失與長照3.0規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們先請這個洪勝翰部長好嗎學員好部長好您是勞團出身的那請問您知道今天勞團在我們立法院前面有抗議嗎我知道那他抗議的內容是什麼今天主要針對國定假日吧國定假日他們的訴求是什麼 |
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我希望大家不要其他人不要幫這個我們的部長回答這個問題因為他是勞團出身的所以當我們今天在我們立法院的現場上勞團抗議的時候我覺得你有責任知道他們抗議的內容是什麼主要是主要是跟七天國家有關七天國家好他們希望抗議就是說還我七天假想問一下洪聖漢部長過去知不支持七天假 |
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過去對啊你在做立法委員的時候或是你在民間團體的時候你認不認同應該要當七天架就是七天架被拿掉這件事情對我們勞工來說是一件很負面的事情而且台灣的勞工工作實在是太辛苦了就我現在的工作來說我認同應該要盡量的減少工時的負擔好那現在呢 |
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那你支不支持把七天的國定假日還全於民還給勞工我還是支持怎麼樣來協助勞工減少工時稅我問的就是這七天假因為勞團今天來問的就是七天假所以我們不談別的我們就談這七天假七天假還還是不還勞動部現在的立場是什麼跟委員說明因為確實國定假日現在的法規主要是在內政部主管的法規是在內政部 |
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那我要問你勞動部長的想法我才能去跟內政部做溝通啊但我們會把現在勞工的各種聲音讓內政部所以你贊成還是不贊成嗎不要講目前的法規我問你作為一個勞動部長的意見我問的是你作為勞動部長你看待所有的勞工有這麼長工時的狀況之下勞動部長的意見為何這很重要啊 |
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那個我當然支持如何支持支持降低勞工在工時上的負擔所以你支持降低勞工工時下降當然不代表你支持要恢復七天的國定假日我可以這麼解釋嗎我支持降低勞工在工時上的負擔 |
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但是你不一定支持七天假還給民眾不一定要是七天假沒有我問的是你的態度嗎你先假設其他的主管機關跟那些副總行的時候你支持還不支持嗎 |
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所以你還是不敢講出知不知實現然後沒關係我接下來要問的是別的問題那主要就是剛才這個王振旭委員他也非常關心的有關於這個性騷的醫師的這個問題所以那個邱探員部長也歡迎你一起到台上我們一起來就教 |
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當時在12月16號這件事情被爆出來的時候陳昭志委員也提到了就是說呢這個人那竟然這個這麼長時間的性騷擾的醫師還在婦產科執業而且他傷害的很多都是其他的醫師這是一個職場上的性騷擾那您當時這是邱漢恩部長當時說的 |
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但是沒有啊為什麼沒有我們勞動部長應該最清楚為什麼沒有辦法做到 |
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依附懲戒為什麼沒有就是邱太元部長在12月16號他說的依信憑三法處理司法判決確定然後呢違反醫學原理行為醫師法25條醫師公會主管機關依附懲戒為什麼他所做的這些事情後來都沒有辦法做到原因是什麼 |
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你最清楚這是醫師法的規定你最清楚為什麼沒有辦法做到這些事情為什麼沒有新評三法是走在前面他說新評三法走完之後司法判決確定之後然後醫師法25條新評三法是第一個所以我要先問你為什麼沒有 |
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為什麼沒有什麼事情為什麼姓平三法沒有辦法處理完這個案件然後公佈於社會之後為什麼這個人他繼續在擔任婦產科工會的理事長那個跟確認說明婦產科醫學會跟姓平三法主要當然我說這個法應該是用性供法來去處理性供法處理的是性供法這個相關的處理跟通報的機制性供法 |
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第13條裡面寫到故主因接獲被害人申訴而知悉性殺情形之後開始調查以及予以懲處請問本案有人擔任被害人嗎 |
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好,謝謝委員隨行,那這個部分因為他工作的場域是在台大醫院,所以台大醫院就立即得到消息以後就立即展開調查,從此也給以考積懲處,然後再送到台灣大學,那台灣大學也一樣會經過,我今天早上大概有談過好幾次了, |
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我現在在問的是洪部長我在問的是性別平等工作法性工法裡面的內容他要講到是要有申訴人才能做懲處 |
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然後呢你有申訴人那個申訴人才能得到相關案件的報告的結果但因為本案你們堅持沒有申訴人所以沒有辦法進行下去沒有申訴人也可以進行調查那現在調查結果怎麼樣了 |
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調查結果應該有公佈了嗎我們追查了老半天你們都是告訴我說都是告訴我說因為沒有申訴人所以什麼都不能公開誰寫那個西教授的名字嗎對啊他現在調查結果為何啊公佈了嗎為什麼這個人他現在目前還在做自己的產科台大醫院已經在 |
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6月的時候已經完成調查從考積會懲處那這個相關的報告去識別化公布了嗎去識別化以後公布了嗎因為很多受害者在等待這份報告 |
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他們當初他們不敢以受害者的身份出來申訴但是他們想要知道這份報告的結果可是我們現在怎麼追都追不到你們也不願意提供給我們因為你說我們不是受害者所以你不提供給我們我相信蘇清泉醫師也好陳昭之醫師也好王振旭醫師也好陳金威醫師也好都跟你們要過了什麼東西都沒有主席我講的沒錯吧 |
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倒不是我們調查沒有出來已經調查出來而且也做懲處但是去識別化其實當初我們在我們的那個委員會裡面也有討論過其實那個很容易就知道誰是受害其實你們還沒公開的時候就已經被周刊寫了啦來我們邱副長可以回答一下為什麼像這樣子的人他還可以繼續擔任他還可以繼續擔任這個婦產科醫學會的理事長 |
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然後呢繼續辦參會他繼續告訴其他人說本案他是被抹黑的他說他真的啊他跟別人講說我是被抹黑的沒有這回事啊這個就是看過就好反正他理事長的位子坐的繼續屁股穩穩坐在那裡然後坐在他旁邊的一大堆人出席活動的人很多都是受害者知道這件事嗎他們不敢來參加這個學會了他們不敢來參加了 |
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我們國家的法律好好保護到他們嗎也接住他們嗎剛才每一個人講的少有歧視的結果他還是理事長然後他的理事醫學會裡面的會員是受害者怎麼辦 |
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怎麼辦我想那是因為是專業民間團體我想我們會站在衛福部的立場會要他們改選怎麼改你要求他們要改選那以後如果再出現這樣的狀況我希望這件事情我們可以事歸事沒有問題但是你要長期要像王振訓醫師剛剛講到的想出一個長期如果下次再發生這樣的事情的時候 |
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我知道台大醫院我知道性供法我知道你們按這個方式做了一個流程但是現在的事實情況擺在眼前是這個加害人他可以逃過所有的法律之後他繼續在擁有權力的理事長的位置上面而他的會員們就是被害者啊 |
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他們不敢參加他們不知道該不該到主桌敬酒你知道那是多難過的事情嗎女孩子的醫師不知道他該不該去向他婦產科醫學會的理事長敬酒他會發抖他們不敢過去他們都是會員 |
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包委員這個我們來處理這真的是讓大家覺得很傷心的一件事情這麼久了12月16號的時候爆出來然後一路到今天我今天也不是要苛責任何人我跟大家講這個事實就是很多受害者在等待 |
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你們給他正式的回應讓他們不要再看到加害他們的人跟他在同一個體系裡面大家還要假裝開心還要假裝一起喝酒誰知道喝完酒之後下一秒他會不會偷摸他下一秒會不會洗車下一秒會不會性殺下一秒會不會性侵 |
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這些女孩子 這些被經過騷擾而她因為家庭關係她不敢站出來的人在目前我們現行的體制之下她仍然在害怕所以部長 大家我希望你可以給多久的時間你們把這件事情有從頭到尾的把它處理完畢不要偉大序雕 |
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你給我一個時間給我一個承諾希望台灣大學趕快完成那個整個整個懲處然後我想那個縣市公會的懲戒委員衛生局懲戒委員的委員處理然後送到衛護部的話我們會除了對這件事情做一個處理以外我們會以這樣的一個系統性的來檢討希望未來不要再發生這種事情還有就是他 |
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作為一個如果台大醫院已經調查這名醫師他是性騷而且嚴重的性騷也已經被記過他有這樣的事實是否就已經不再是任婦產科醫學會的理事長他現在在我們的衛生部的職登已經沒有職登了但他還是理事長啊對啊 理事長這個部分因為他是民間團體我們會對啊 他是民間團體怎麼辦呢我們會那個要求他們因為你要知道你一定比我強 |
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清楚知道說就算他不是醫師了沒有植燈了但他如果是這個呃理事長覺得婦產科醫學會理事長的話他等於是還是擁有很大部分決定這個產業然後會接觸到很多這個產業的醫師包含女性醫師的這個情況所以我想要最後問一下部長針對他仍然是呃這個 |
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理事長身份我們能夠怎麼樣來處理如果那個部長那個勞動部長有好的方法的話也幫我們說明一下那就是你們看兩位他作為一個民間團體但你已經確定說這是一個等於是說他針對婦產科學會的醫學會然後他的會員裡面可能很多都是被他所騷擾過的 |
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這個女性然後他們還要服膺在這個理事醫學會底下然後理事長是這樣子的一個人我們有沒有任何辦法請他離開他的本職如果有法律我們依法辦理如果沒有法律的話我們會欠他們禁訴改選 |
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你會勸他們進出來選給我一個期限我要一個期限你們要多久之間辦理完成因為我怕我離開這個質詢台之後他又告訴我講說沒有啦我沒有這件事啊現在就是這樣我們會把告訴他們的情況以及他們的婦產科的回應隨時跟委員報告你需要多久你給我一個時間我們因為我也不了解說他們的 |
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因為他們要開臨時理事會嘛才有辦法去做嘛所以他可能要有一點時間但是這個過程我們隨時跟委員報告好不好就是說我們已經什麼時候跟他們講了他們怎麼回應什麼時候要開臨時理事會好 謝謝那剩下法規齁如果有大家覺得有不夠周延的地方也拜託我們的勞動部跟我們的這個衛福部這邊好好的來研析希望下一次不要再有這樣的情況發生了謝謝 |