| IVOD_ID |
158654 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158654 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T12:52:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T13:03:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5d2b755d9c28829d51ad867d1dd5d1dbfc298e4a85a6a9cd534c2034a5d6bfafb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:52:22 - 13:03:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：113年12月30日(一)下午5時】
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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現在主席請這個莊部長請莊部長請土銀的何總市長委員好 |
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部長 總統好 那個您有專心聽昨天這個賴總統的這個原告的這個講話嗎 元旦的講話嗎有的聽到他說新的一年會繼續推動福國利民的政策但是中央需要足夠的財源來進行各項措施因此我 就是賴總統期待財化法的修法朝野政黨能夠就各自的版本冷靜再思考為國家尋求長治久安之道 對吧這是他的原文 |
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像您這邊列出來是對的這個朝野政黨人就各自的版本你們的版本在哪裡 |
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財政部對於財化法的修法一直也都努力第一個我們就指標的部分除了三個指標以外有共識我問的是版本已經收斂到三個財政部是七上滿下嗎 |
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外總統不知道沒有版本嗎第一個 除了指標之外還有權重跟調整係數都不用講理由 我們講答案這理由我也聽一百遍我說版本欸 總統不知道沒有版本嗎還是你們跟他講有版本 |
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我們所有的一個進度都會跟院方報告有沒有財政部的版本到現在我們都在進行當中有沒有提出來沒有討論完怎麼會有版本當然是要有討論有一個跟各地方政府討論有共識有沒有行政院的版本 |
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我跟委員報告我已經講過很多遍就是說我們要做一個討論所以你們還沒有討論結束嗎我們還沒有版本嗎那如果還沒有版本戴總統這樣子講是因為他被你們欺瞞以為有版本嗎我們不可能欺瞞你們沒有欺騙他所以你說他說謊他不知道我沒有說他不知道啊那他為什麼說朝野各自的版本我到現在看不懂這句話不知道是你們的錯還是他的錯也就是說 |
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草野各自可以就忍心思考然後就各自版本來做討論所以你是不是要趕快照賴總統的意思趕快提出版本啊我覺得版本這件事情都要經過完善的討論所以你要做完整的規劃我知道總統都已經說要照草野版本因為趕快的話如果草代也不是一個好的規劃個一二十年但賴總統都已經說趕快提出來他已經這樣講了你們還這樣拖拖拉拉不尊重總統喔 |
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沒有不尊重總統那總統都已經心之下指導期了所以你什麼時候要提出版本啊總統說朝野版本要討論啊什麼時候第一個現在12月20號立法院三讀通過你們的不要關心立法院的版本關心你們的版本都還沒有送到行政院都還沒有送到行政院你們的啦你們的版本啦我跟委員報告 |
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好 那沒關係 我不為難你來 你不敢壓日期只要總統說明天拿出版本 明天版本就會出現我也不為難你啦 這個也已經上升到行政院也許也不是一個財政部長可以決定的啦如果總統說下個禮拜版本就拿出來討論 下禮拜版本就會生出來我相信就會是這樣子不過沒關係 我想請教你 剛剛 |
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很多人也有提到這三千七百五十三億的問題我剛也聽到您回答文財委員說這個超徵的這個中央的部分三千多億三千七百億的話三百七十億就會直接撥給地方嘛所以還剩三千四百多億嘛所以事實上 |
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事實上三千七百多億還有三千四百多億就算明年實施 更何況我們還沒有實施明年實施也沒有問題啊把這錢撥給地方也沒有問題啊這個因應這個財化修正後三七五三億哪裡會有什麼各個部會這邊恐嚇百姓的這種說這個不夠那個不夠明明財政部表現這麼好一年就超徵了五千億 對吧其中中央有三千多億 |
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對不對不是這樣子不是這樣子算第一個我們剛剛講的是113年度的稅客收入113年的稅客收入我們對於稅客收入部分我們原來預算數有籌編了多少到中央統計所分配稅客我們已經12個月分配下去了我知道那如果超過原來預算數的部分屬於地方的部分我們也會撥下去對300多億我們一定會撥下去嘛那是113年的部分那您剛剛講的部分又涉及到114年114年預算已經編了嘛 |
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所以他的稅額收入改變稅額收入已經編了也不從編預算我們也討論過了也編了所以內政部什麼衛福部各個預算其實都不會改變對不對 |
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已經編了嘛 也審差不多了嘛已經編了 所以中央要相關的施政就沒有從編的問題嘛它的相關稅數也已經都已經列入了嘛好 那是這樣的情況所以其他各部會都說謊 只有財政部長講的是實話怎麼這個會少 那個會減 都已經編了啊不是 那就要看 |
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12月20通過的財化法三讀通過以後什麼時候實施生效呢那這個時候要依法聽證的話就你意思是說生效的話可能再重編嗎不是重編那必須要依照它這個法律的規定看要怎麼實施還有可能重編嗎也跟委員報告那還有可能重編嗎行政救濟措施結束這些都過了請問這些措施都結束以後那會重編嗎如果那些措施都已經用盡了以後會重編嗎 |
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不是已經編了就不會重編了嗎所以還是不會改變嗎我想請問來部長我也不為難您啦因為這個都在讓你回答你沒有辦法回答的問題我們來問一下圖雲來這個圖雲這個我看你們的那個建築的部分 |
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就是金門的部分有三棟建築金門的土營有三棟建築是軍方蓋的民國五十五年蓋的已經屋齡有五十六年五十一年了五十幾年了就危老了很老而且危險那現在你們又要跟金城分行你們的兩個分行要合併那我看你們那個建築改良預算的情形很差那金門的分行改建什麼時候排上計畫 |
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跟委員報告是主要是會延後是本來金門分廊是要採都更然後那個金門縣政府說他沒有還沒有目前沒有適應細則沒有辦法去做都更所以叫我們又回來做改成危老那我們申請危老的時候因為他又要我們做古蹟的文化資產的建立因為地下有坑道對然後文化資產建立以後要微波外部的檢核了是所以現在進度 |
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變成告訴他說現在整個進度已經進行準備在做地質的探勘大概什麼時候開始有下一步呢?最快的話應該是在今年中建築師圖案送到那個縣政府那個做檢核可以的方式大概明年就有可能了這個進度要抓上喔 謝謝那我們時間停一下我們請這個台九 湯董事長 |
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時間沒有站起來董事長剛剛有委員提到你們跟那個大陸申請這個在華註冊碼的問題就是台灣啤酒的問題我們當初金門高粱跟你們一樣就被那個暫停暫停進入中國大陸那我們後來我們去爭取不是說爭取我們有去有送件再重新送件但是我知道的是不是如你所說的是那個你們是根本沒有再去送了吧 |
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你們根本沒有再去重送了吧現在事實上很多單位還是繼續在送呢各位委員報告目前有民間的業者主動要幫我們送這個文件因為他們跟中國那邊的關係好像是比較友好你們當初沒有送對不對不然以後當初你們沒有送對不對你們就停下來沒送因為我問了你們說那個營業額很低有送件喔有送件有送件嗎有送件有收到退補件嗎 |
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他就是不明原因所以沒有通過不明原因 沒有推薦 沒有補薦嗎 |
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有補件 有補件但是沒有通過啦那現在你們打算再重新送就對了 是不是是 我們也可以跟透過委員來協助幫我們申請這樣子可能學習金門高粱的方式就比較容易申請到這個我們會協助啦如果你們 因為之前知道是你們你們不打算送好像說這個營業額太低了 好像才五千萬一年才五千萬的營業額在啤酒的部分嘛 |
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呃 不只啦 不只五千萬還另外請教齁 你們的這一個 這個 這個推廣費的預算怎麼編這麼高啊 |
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各位我們報告我們推廣費的預算是以我們的營業額立法院預算的營業額我們是以600多億編列2.6%下去2.6%喔2.6%你賣的比金門高粱酒好嗎如果單一產品的話我們的啤酒賣的比金門高粱好啤酒賣的比金門高粱好你們的毛利是多少呢啤酒毛利應該還有 |
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大概在20%上下所以他的利率毛利也是比金門高粱差那你的推廣會是怎麼變得比金門高粱還高委員報告我剛剛提了我們預算還是看營業 |
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金酒是單一產品,我們公司的品效效能 |
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像菸的話是代製而已嗎菸的部分我們自己生產我知道有人生產我知道有的是你幫我跟我們報告因為金酒還有一個特殊狀況它是經銷制所以跟菸酒公司還是不太一樣所以因為經銷制所以我們的這個比較省就對了我們的推廣費比較省就對了是的沒錯然後你們的利率又比較差那你們是不是要考慮改變制度如果這樣子金酒制度看起來是一個比較好的制度如果這樣子的話我們會進行評估 |
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我覺得這個台酒公司的這個照理來看整個經營當然我也沒有希望台酒的高粱賣得很好反正賣得不好沒關係比金門高粱差是沒有關係但是我覺得整體來講你們的這個利潤實在是就是收益實在是太低了這個一個這麼大的公司編這麼高的這個推廣費但整體的收益這麼低事實上如果這是在金門縣的話如果這是金門縣會早就會被K死 |
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我跟委員報告我們的預算裡面有接近大概2.6%裡面大概有接近1%多是香菸的菸價費因為可能金酒沒有做香菸香菸的菸價費每一年上架就要給1%多我們一年的香菸的菸價費高達7億以上這一塊就是說跟行銷沒有關你要上它的價就是要繳這麼多的 |
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好 那你的意思就是說你們只有1.6%啦是不是 如果扣掉那個差不多那反而是我們金酒編太多了那我們回去請金酒監討好 謝謝謝謝委員 |