| IVOD_ID |
158646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158646 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T12:28:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T12:40:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e544593598dd9095661ad867d1dd5d1dbf6a11e77586d9faf32f3f07a615f4351a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:28:32 - 12:40:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：113年12月30日(一)下午5時】
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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現在主席我請財政部長跟台酒公司湯董事長莊部長還有湯董委員好 |
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好兩位早我想剛剛很多委員都在討論台酒的營收其實每次講到台酒這個問題這個希望你賺錢又希望你不賺錢我不希望你賺太多錢也希望你能夠有錢可以賺所以這個對民營代表來說是非常兩難但是一樣的台酒公司的營收我想很多同仁都討論過了台酒公司的營收從108年到現在從600多億盡力74億 |
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然後610、583、567到550從619降到550少了60幾億淨利從74.7降到58億整個的營收是不斷的下滑那當然你剛剛說是淹害防治法只淹收入減少原物料成本上漲這個部分董事長你有什麼不是開源嗎就是節流嗎這樣子的淨利一直下滑一般的企業 |
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這樣子不是不好看啊董事長有沒有什麼想法呢接下去要怎樣我們要賣更多的煙賣更多的酒還是有其他的方法 |
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跟委員報告,事實上剛剛我還沒有踢完,煙害防治法從112年1月到上個月台灣的總體市場從289萬箱的香菸總量下滑到168萬那是好事啊,對台灣人來說少抽菸嘛,那你的營收少很多啊? |
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但是大部分過去持有我們香煙的人都已經轉去持有非合法的電子煙跟加熱煙所以沒有辦法在創造營收的情況下我有幫你想到一個方法所以我們去找了你們對外的外銷也就是說你看到日本看到美國他們的煙是到全球去做處理的 |
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台灣營酒公司當然也是我們國家重要的供應事業我們這個部分的外銷目標我看到了你們每一年都有訂出外銷的預算 對吧對外銷收入的目標從106年大概9億到110年訂到12億這些狀況都是你的目標值可是你實際外銷的實際收入從9億一直當當當當到現在3億這個不再是 |
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台湾人抽烟习惯的问题了吧那你为什么外销的收入标可以从9亿到12亿实际上只收到3亿多呢而且达成率大概就是三成左右那每年今年又变了9亿多你明年打算收多少官委员报告最主要过去我们60%的外销是从中国啦都是中国中国不让你进去了是吗 |
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所以那你每年還定9億幹嘛呢你每年定9億然後又說我的你看你從哪一年開始就只有3億了109年109年你定了12億實際收入3億你第二年還是定12億收入4億到現在定9億收入去年也只有3億那你明年還要編9億多的預算我們是不是直接把你砍掉比較快董事長 |
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如果沒有辦法做到就不用編這種虛的預算啦這個預算收入現在編9億是怎樣打算明年再來告訴我執行率只有30%你要怎麼樣你是這個公司的董事長你對這樣的預算編列還有接下去的營收目標有什麼想法還是每年就這樣編空的編假的每年執行率只有30%那就不要拿到立法院來你怎麼說勒 |
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各位委員報告這個預算其實我還沒有亂編的誰編的 編的亂七八糟 |
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每年實際收入已經好多年了已經從108年執行率不到4成6接下來到去年只有3成4還有一年只有29%然後每年還是照編9億多我希望董事長今天的質詢結束你們到預算第二輪協商的時候我相信等一下會審預算吧自己要不要先自己砍一砍 |
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我們會跟同仁討論數字再跟委員報告這個預算書根本就不該送出來這個預算書送出來就是一個可笑的事情我們希望你賺錢但也不希望你賺太多錢但是你至少自己不要騙自己啊好第二個你說已經因為中國市場的問題中國是什麼時候開始不讓台酒公司進去的 |
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中國大陸什麼時候讓你不再進去了我告訴你好了111年現在113年這兩年你們做了什麼努力嗎還是他就不給你進去當時是說補件的問題你們有補件嗎111年開始我們 |
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你們公務員報告還是你什麼都不知道那我怎麼問下去呢我們有補件啦但是因為那個在華註冊編號應該是沒有通過反正就是沒有辦法進去那我現在就問了好中國市場我看到你們資料是跌了87%所以你9億只能收到3億我也不怪你問題是你其他的市場呢其他的市場我們有努力去做嗎中國有一個代理的經銷商 |
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歐洲有 美國有 日本有 韓國有這些都有但是我們現在的對外的銷售方式你跟我說法只有四種一個是透過經銷商第二透過市銷商第三透過自由報售第四委制代工所以我們的經銷商你看到我們不是有新南向政策嗎為什麼新南向只有新加坡 |
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我們在其他的國家有沒有任何要去跟人家的國家找到經銷商去行銷你的台灣煙酒呢各位我們報告其他的國家沒有辦法進去是因為我們的品項的成本變高所以我們在今年度我們也會開始開發一些比較低單價的產品進入南向國家所以新南向到現在為止沒有是你要開始開發是所以你要努力開發要多久才會有成果不知道 |
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你要開始開發,你要成果3.5年以後了,是嗎?第二個部分,試銷商,我看到你們給我的訊息是說你們有跟韓國還有一個俄羅斯簽試銷合約的NMO用但是董事長知道嗎?因為現在烏俄戰鬥關係,所以美國發布了禁制令 |
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禁止高級的酒類銷售給俄羅斯然後我們看到台灣煙酒公司去跟俄羅斯簽了一個市銷合約這不是很奇怪嗎你們要跟你們要反其道而行全世界都不賣酒給俄羅斯我們要去跟俄羅斯合作有這樣的事嗎你知道嗎不知道有沒有人要給他打pass啊主席這樣我問不下去啊 |
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你知道嗎 還是不知道是旁邊那個總經理知道嗎黃珊珊委員所提出的這個就是美國跟俄羅斯這件事你們自己給我的回答 我的題目都已經早就洩題了總經理 曾總市銷商是開發市場的 我們先試看看市銷商 |
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各位委員報告,事實上現在整個歐洲地區的威士忌是很低迷所以其實我們還是會以穆斯林的市場為主,剛剛沒有特別提我只問你為什麼跟俄羅斯簽市銷合約? |
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這個部分我可能還要回去跟同仁了解你跟全世界走相反的路就對了問清楚我希望你去我剛講我希望你去賺錢又不希望你賺太多錢但是既然國內我們不要國內的國人一直喝酒一直抽菸所以我們希望說你到外銷去跟其他的國家一樣把台灣菸酒公司的好的產品行銷到全世界所以你應該去拓展我剛講你的營收不應該建立在台灣人健康的 |
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破壞上面所以希望你能夠拓展其他的市場而不是單單的只在國內市場如果你一年有五六百億的營收外銷只有三億台酒公司要檢討啊拓走你不到你的零頭啊全部都是台灣人在買單啊我現在又問你外銷的東西沒有任何計畫只有三億的收入那真的不要幹啊你們現在還有一個部門專門在做這件事不是嗎 |
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所以一個新南向提出幾個計畫如果董事長上任有這個雄心壯志很好提計畫給我第二個還有說曾經在107年說要去越南設廠購買跟當地代工還有這樣的計畫嗎 |
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目前沒有目前也沒有了所以對外的拓展我希望您上任後在一個月之內把未來對外銷的拓展計畫提出一個完整的想法包括新南向包括你去簽市銷拜託一下了解一下全世界的狀況不要去跟世界走不一樣的路全世界在抵制俄羅斯我們還去跑去跟俄羅斯做這個奇怪的生意很奇怪啦那最重要的是我希望 |
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部長您站在旁邊我再問最後一個問題現在中國大陸的低價的啤酒掛著不同的品牌傾銷到台灣來掛著日系麒麟啤酒掛著美系百威啤酒的名義Made in China的東西現在不斷的在侵蝕我們台灣的市場 |
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617.634 |
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628.202 |
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第二個,台灣煙酒公司也跟我們相關的國內的優質廠商成立了所謂的釀酒商協會,我想問一下,你們什麼時候要向經濟部去申請反請銷調查?他們目前來說,釀酒商協會已經把申請案送到財政部,這個部分我們會盡事處理 |
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635.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
662.587 |
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因為我們有一個審議小組會的也會去跟經濟部做市場調查等等因為這個會影響到我們台酒公司的營收影響到我們國人這些公平的競爭那最重要的是如果台灣民眾搞不清楚還以為那是日系以為那是美系這對還有消費者欺騙的問題好嗎好 是的我希望在今年的過年前有個初步的結果過年後你一定要把東西送到經濟部可以嗎 |
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664.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
687.598 |
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我們有一個審議小組會來做這個處理我們申請進來一個月就會處理已經是現在進行式,台酒公司是裡面最大的一家台酒公司不領頭羊,這些台灣人要喝到好的精釀的啤酒好高品質的啤酒,而不是品消的啤酒,好嗎?是的,是的請部長列一個時程表 |
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688.678 |
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693.988 |
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好 謝謝委員 謝謝謝謝黃珊珊委員 謝謝接著我們請羅賓才委員 |