| IVOD_ID |
158640 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158640 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T12:07:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T12:18:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e53e73510ae2581892f82bf49b3fbaf4a56a11e77586d9faf39930f9bb5cf0ddfa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:10 - 12:18:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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秘書長請秘書長張委員長你行政院今天說限訴法要提復議你判斷立法院過得了嗎你的復議案過得了立法院嗎盡量溝通你的判斷呢這個案子是台灣民眾黨提國民黨支持的啊 |
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對不對 加兩個無黨籍啊五十四加八票 六十二票而已我們會說明可能自愛難行的部分我們會溝通 盡量溝通看起來用常理 不用腦袋 用卡打呼吸也不會過對不對為什麼要提 |
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沒有努力啊,一定要努力才有可能機會啊要努力應該不是提複議吧趕快提出大家接受的大法官人選啊你提專業的啊,提獨立的啊,人民會鼓掌的啊你帶清德提了人,如果是好的在野黨、民眾黨跟國民黨敢擋嗎?你就是提了上次你們連民進黨自己都去封殺啊劉靜儀那個大炮事件顯示什麼? |
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那現在賴清德跟民進黨提的不就是要來當民進黨打手的嗎劉建宇只是因為批評了民進黨寫幾篇文章講幾句話賴清德總統把他丟包耶他民進黨黨團51個人 記黨紀還全部 |
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你現在到底要怎麼樣的道法官你現在提副議案是怎麼樣繼續把道法官抓在你手上變禁卵這是人民要的嗎你現在不是提副議吧你現在要的應該是符合人民的需求你賴清德總統你提出好的人我們鼓鼓掌就剩下七個人一隊開會啊沒有衝突啊道法官名單還會繼續提啊你提副議案過不了人民也不同意啊你的解決方案是什麼 |
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就提出大家會鼓掌的人啊不然就改改問題啊,你就可以開會啊是不是這樣?沒有,副議還是我們盡量溝通嘛盡量溝通,好不好不過還轉達一下啦,趕快提出政協是提出合適的人啦好來,今天來霸凌的這個專案啊秘書長現在兩平靜音有出現嘛,包括你的消保處我先問你一下十一過二十啊 |
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一定是卓越院長,他有說喔他說已經揭露或者被檢討的,那時候11月20號,他有說一個禮拜內,全部調查完畢,追究責任對不對,你會去嗎?如果有新的案子,請各個機關職場,全面啟動防制霸凌的作業加強保護,要趕快辦 |
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你們這個速度 你現在辦的 現在看起來 左院長是急驚風喔 速度很快喔 可是是不是跳票了當左院長在帶頭衝的時候 直接把他處理他那時候是 就是大家比較關注的幾個案件啦 那個大家比較關心嘛第一類 大家比較關注的現在調查完了嗎 |
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除了勞動部的北分署那個案子其他調查完嘛這是第一個問題第二個有些新的案子你們進度現在變成是牛步化囉是不是本總本來就有一個規範就是一個月你現在像我剛才說的你行政院裡面發生問題你說要多久一個月是不是為什麼你們的院長這麼急驚風結果你們這邊這麼牛步化 |
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這不跳票嗎?你至少進度跟上去啊,一天白兩天白,你想怎樣都頂一下就夠了調查小組很多是要外部委員來協助,那這個外部委員我們還要配合他們那這樣協政院長當初就不要做這個保證啊他當初是講說,大家比較矚目的幾個案子,我們是不是先來處理到目前為止,除了勞動部的案子,其他沒看得到,該我複寫啊 |
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是不是?據我了解還有衛福部的嘛衛福部齁?你聽起來好像兩個案子處理好而已這不是打嘴巴嗎?還有教育部的然後還有還有幾個部會的都有加快速度,對人民有交代好不好?不要跳票來,我今天跟你討論一個很驚悚的數據我看了老蔣我都嚇了一大跳了你那個職場霸凌的專線成立齁我調資料的時候,他說一百個事就有五十三案對不對? |
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這個專線這個平台收到幾個案收到幾個案子那個人總給我的這個數據他是經過整合因為有一些是有多個人報一案會整起來目前立案的是一百二十幾個吧有具名的是一百二十幾個剛剛成立沒有多久已經有一百一百多少案子進來現在啊現在就是有具名的是一百二十六案一一二六 |
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你會覺得這個數目字很嚇人,更嚇人,我給你看更嚇人的數目字大家看這個數字這個是本席辦公室去人事總署調到的資料這是很驚悚的一個數據最近這五年工部門職場霸凌的件數跟人數每一年都跳一倍 |
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最恐怖的 你看一百九九年的時候 民國一百九九年78件到了110年 隔年跳到143整個要一倍到111跳到228不只沒有減少喔 每一年都增加一倍到了去年515 又跳一倍今年還沒完呢 統計到我拿到的資料到15分必須扭 |
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地雷數據太嚇人了我們公務人員怎麼這麼可憐我們的公務員很優秀啊就霸凌人數這麼多第二個更嚇人了每一年五年來每一年都跳一倍不只沒有減少嚴不嚴重那為什麼沒辦法處理到底出什麼事所以現在我們為什麼要有那麼多的機制希望把這個事情做一個處理畢竟我再給你看一個數字 |
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我調的資料,有中央政府,有地方機關,有各級學校各級學校人是最多的嘛,對不對?那地方政府跟中央差不多你知道哪一個這三個單位中央政府是最嚴重的,霸凌的事件是最多的嚴重到什麼程度?申請的件數是5年,569件 |
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成立的就有92件我統計就是每一位在中央政府包括今天列起的很多官員在中央政府中央政府上班的一萬人裡面就有29個人來申訴說他被霸凌了至少有接近5個人是成立的我們的政府怎麼對得起我們的公務員呢 |
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我們之前看到了我們很悲傷勞動部那麼年輕那麼努力一個年輕人生命消失了結果我們現在把這個掀開來看整個政府這樣怎麼對得起我們的公務員呢我們在法令上在職場上或者他申訴的時候我們提供什麼保護嗎 |
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在考試院的這個保訓會的有關於公務人員保障法我們會跟他來進行比較更實質上看怎麼樣修法讓他對公務員的保障可以更好所以必須對 |
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今天我拿出來應該是全台灣第一次有人拿出這樣的數據 對不對第一遍我們終於具體化 知道每一年都在倍數的成長我也很具體跟你講 每一萬人 29位員工 公務員申訴說他被霸凌了 這麼多位都是成立的 這很嚴重 我們一定要徹底的去解決 |
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我更跟他講為什麼要急我跟他講速度不能慢你不要讓這個行政院長左右動態左右院長跳票很多案子你說又有一百多個申訴嘛對不對我笑的這個禮拜我又拿到一個案子我聽了這個霸凌這個狀況老實講我心裡是非常難過的這是中友一個他說我以一百一十二年開始啊廉政署外派到他們中友單位的政風處一個長官 |
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辱罵他一個女孩子罵人家說用下賤的賤去罵他還威脅他說不會讓你升等你考記一定是平等那他往上申訴啊政風處長還一直偏袒當然我們不會只有聽一面 |
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所以明天我會召開協調會我也請他去你們這個拜領專線去申訴好不好這個案子很嚴重這個不是只有罵人家弄到後來員工都要去看身心科了都有自殺的傾向我們不要再遺憾的事情發生好不好他是現在進行所以速度要快所以最後我具體要求我們請 |
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人事總署行政院這邊要有一個很明確的各個部會在最近這五年不是只有給我剛剛統計的數目字我要你比較明確的這些案件你後來處理的狀況是什麼樣子 好不好 |
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要知道你的處理狀況是什麼樣子另外更重要,我們要趕快建立一個可以立即處理的不要再牛步化了不要每次都要拖一個月、兩個月都不會付錢你對被害者是要保護的 |
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前幾天我們剛剛通過吹哨者保護法它是一個很重要的反貪腐嘛 對不對其實也是一個反霸凌很重要的啊有人出來打抱不平說我的同事或者我被霸凌了現在很好 吹哨者保護法已經過了他們會保護你 你的身份是不會被洩漏的如果違法的 洩漏他秘密的最高可以抓去關 關五年而且不能隨便給你調職 |
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這個救濟的措施都是有的那更重要的是你剛剛講的科技營養人事總署我們的公務員保障法趕快好好修好不好趕快好好修現在很空洞我們現在整個公務員那個那個保障是太空洞了一定要對於我們的被害者保護一定要做好而且要給救濟的機制好不好好 這位農爹不要讓我們那麼優秀的公務員再受到霸凌了畢弟加油 謝謝 |