| IVOD_ID |
158637 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158637 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:47:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:59:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5f6a150e95640bf33c921d2cbf1168e406a11e77586d9faf331f66945a42017395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:47:49 - 11:59:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：請勞動部、衛生福利部、教育部就「推動友善職場、校園性騷擾與霸凌防治及長照悲歌並檢討現行長照制度缺失與長照3.0規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝超委喔 是不是還是請我們部長 衛福部 邱部長不好意思喔好啦 你現在可以來了啦 |
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委員好部長這個醫院大火8條人命我已經質詢你很多次了我不是談個案我一直跟你講10月7號的時候我跟你講你有沒有去盤點因為到去年年底12月31號醫院評鑑要有117家那你在這個評鑑的過程當中117家有沒有管縣老舊蘇山洞縣等公安問題消防問題的這個發現然後10月7號問你 |
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你也不知道然後11月4號再問你有沒有有多少醫院有哪幾家醫院有病安公安的疑慮叫你盤點一下這個到時候我們要優先的這個公安的政策的對策是什麼然後你告訴我一個月你當時說這個恐怕要再調查一次我們會去調查各地方政府還有消防局他們的調查結果一個月內要跟我們報告現在已經兩個月了從10月7號到現在也已經三四個月了 |
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今天這個問題沒有任何報告來啦各位委員我們跟他說的他跟我們承諾的全部都沒有報告這樣當作都不知道現在這是怎麼裝睡的人叫不醒還是腳麻了不怕還是說明目張膽的在包庇因為一路走來你始終認為 |
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這個地方政府的事、地方消防局的事、地方的問題跟你都無關的但我要講說你們的醫院評鑑你們的醫策會你們都沒有去發現問題到底問題有沒有比較集中在哪些問題哪些方面然後就政策面要怎麼納入管制你不能說我以後評鑑要納入評鑑項目那也是我跟你說的地區醫院沒有納入公安的任何評鑑你現在說你要改了現在到底是怎樣啦 |
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有大概有187間九年為止要評價的有問題的大概幾間啦 |
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好 謝謝委員 我想上次執行以後我們馬上就折承各縣市政府衛生局依照內政部 國安部現在請問兩位 你們調查結果和報告就好了一定是到12月31啦我知道啊 今天已經1月2號啊我們那個會把它整理以後 馬上那你當初承諾我的是在爭笑的嗎當時你回答我說你們要去調查各地方政府和消防局他們的調查結果一個月之內跟你報告這樣是在爭笑的 |
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一個月兩個多月過去你跟我講說我們還在彙整 |
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欸 趙薇 現在補充來這裡 自己說的都是親善公共 不用買單 不用負責的嗎你以為是親善跟我講的嗎你這樣對臺人民是這個態度 我不是代表零十五分的我代表全臺灣的人民來這裡監督質詢你你告訴我你一個月內要拿出報告結果兩個多月過去 你不但沒有拿出報告 你還跟人講說這等一下 我們還去調查報告一下 |
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阿你現在會把我整瘋嗎?還是第一回是青菜公共的?我現在說的這很嚴肅喔今天一月跟兩天的橋櫃兩個月阿你沒調查報告欸!10月25日還有便宜內發生火災內苗栗縣慈祐醫院凌晨4點多還發生火警幸好全院105人就地避難無人傷亡詳細的其我原因還要調查 |
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而且恰好的是這一家醫院的評鑑合格校期也是這一波裡面要接受評鑑的 |
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所以這間便衣評鑑到期的期間呢它就發生不明原因的火災這間的火災 那間的火災我現在問你說這個問題 主管機關的衛福部你有去了解嗎 你有重視這個問題嗎你在這個狀況裡面立委質詢這麼多次 你對我虛偽偽疑 |
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那你現在是治醫院的公安於何地你治醫院看病的病人於何地蛤 |
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你現在閃閃躲躲又裝睡覺不行你再讓我講下去我真的不想用形容詞可是我覺得說 我覺得很羞恥欸你出身醫界你對病人的安全 公共安全卻這樣子忽視忽略你來這裡都是在應付你自己不是真的發自內心覺得醫院的公共安全很重要 |
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我已經在今天問你第三遍了你都在想我去跟地方的政府跟消防局會政一下我現在不是在說會政的你評測單位 你的醫測會你不用親自去了解第一時間趕快所有數據拿回來看一下這一些被評鑑的醫院 病安公安的問題大多數都是在哪裡 |
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那如果是全面性的大家在這些領域都有問題的話你面對珍貴的生命和公共安全你不用想說我們的對策是什麼嗎還是擺明了就是說包庇這些公安缺失的意願然後你又想說 我不能得罪他們這問題這麼嚴重 我如果自己自我揭露就很難看政府抹黑全土灰 |
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現在是要替監護擦脂抹粉還是真的要替別人安全要顧好病人的安全每一個到醫院去的他的生命安全都應該要被保障我不是談個案但從那個大火事件的傷亡個案來看這個危險性不低危險性不低去病院是要提名要求名的去到那裡等到沒名這樣感到 |
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你再回答我一次啦答案是什麼我想那個謝謝委員我想如果醫院發生火災不只病人 |
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從你來告訴我什麼時候給我數據到去年為止你應該接受評鑑你住嘴你已經有到達人身攻擊的時候我必須要回應因為你就是這個樣子啊很羞恥啊十月門一蓋十一月門一蓋十二月說要一個月之後要給我回答你完全沒有給立委回答 |
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你這裡虛偽你知兵人的公安於何地還敢在這裡講說你要個人的名譽我們要公共的安全比你個人的名譽還更重要民營的品質安全尤其到醫院的安全是我們花盡多少錢你就通口白話信口雌黃完全沒有提出對策你每天在這裡問你問題有多嚴重你就不懂得怎麼說你是要說什麼 |
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威廉負到責任在哪裡 醫院到底安不安全當下發現 主席 主席 他干擾你的時間我現在在說 他怎麼跟我的社群在說來 請你講 請你講 抱歉當下發現布洛格有帶改進時 到底有多少數量有幾斤便宜你若不說便宜的名字 你告訴我 總共有幾斤可以賣來 依策委來回答 |
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沒有還有什麼來那個誰如果本年度如果社評的醫院出現值有公安問題相關的建議或者改善的意見因為我們也不是消防單位他是評鑑你現在在說什麼我聽不懂剛有缺化分 |
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在家有白飯的 給他抽水的 他如果發生大火 他是沒有辦法逃生的而就必須要防火區域位的劃分 這是最重要的不要忘了那一場大火死了八個人裡面 不是小事的是因為煙嗆死了 所以煙害的管控 有毒煙的控管 |
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這個是很重要的我現在問你說除了已經有傷亡的以外你現在評鑑裡面還有幾間有這個防火區域的問題有嚴控的問題有公共安全的問題我現在告訴你有多少數量試射到這個經過了四個月你還講不出來你經過四個月講不出來你跟我講說你在乎病人的安全你在乎醫院的安全現在是怎樣被你笑了 |
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立委問你三次你講不出來 區議委都有在做啊我現在要問你 你現在是有動於裝 腳麻了走不走 沒辦法走還是裝睡人叫不行 還是你就是明目張膽的要包庇而在這當中還有醫院繼續在發生火災這是好運的 哪有壞運的叫病人 那些傷亡的病人的家屬情何以堪啊 |
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你現在給我回答 還有幾件有問題你今天這個問題 你就說不出來這麼簡單的問題 我問四個月 你說不出來你叫人家對你不要非議 怎麼可能你叫人家不對你批評 怎麼可能 |
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包委員我們12月30要蒐集以後馬上整理馬上跟你報你講的問題我會一天你沒辦法因為你剛剛放寒假啊沒有委員會啊所以你蒐集你要給我報告是要怎麼報告我們說到做到會一次機才可以問說到做到你從來沒有說到做到10月的時候沒有回答我們11月的時候沒有回答我們你告訴我一個月以後要給我答案也沒有回答我們 |
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我今天要問的不是這個問題我今天要問的還有很多問題 因為時間有限我都在進行啦 你放心 我有在進行你說的每一個月都沒有一天 所以沒得放心有在進行啦 但是因為這要牽涉到很多單位嘛你就是你做了什麼 而你今天的作為沒有達到人家可以信任的標準所以你叫人家怎麼對你信任 |
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國土事務的資料連體會回來 馬上會跟委員報告你剛才怎麼跟人家說一個月後?請獲者得寡信啦公司的人說 親戰爹家 親戰公務員 都說好好好 威威諾諾是他搞都做不到了啦你講出來 你要公告說到做到 你說出來的話說到做不到 |
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你今天失信於全國人民了是因為你講出來 你在裡面講出來 會不勝為這才是真正的大問題啦先這樣子 謝謝好 謝謝 |