| IVOD_ID |
158636 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158636 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:57:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T12:06:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5933516aa50fe257ef82bf49b3fbaf4a56a11e77586d9faf38c3f6bbd0a8feaf75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:10 - 12:06:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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請秘書長羅委員好在我質詢之前我對秘書長剛剛一句談話非常不滿意主席休息你回來看到主席不在你用這個藉口說你可以不出席那立法院其他委員會休息的時候是不是時候首長就可以不出席了是不是這個意思嗎請問秘書長不是 |
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那不是你剛剛講什麼話我剛剛提到的就是說你今天憑什麼不出席主席在主持會議會議沒結束那主席都打電話給你了結果你跟我講說因為主席不在現場主席休息的時間是主席決定是主席的權限我現在開始正式問我的問題我先第一個對你表達一個抗議第二個我想要請教秘書長什麼叫更大的民主我不知道不知道啊賴清德的金句都不知道 |
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我告訴你啦更大的民主就是賴清德啦沒關係你不知道來考考你憲政常識來看民主的大小到底怎麼分請問民進黨破窗攻佔國會癱瘓立法這是大民主還是小民主答不出來 |
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大民主這是更大的民主因為是民進黨做的就是大民主來考你第二個那請問民進黨當家鬧事號召青鳥包圍立法院還有民進黨立委要青鳥衝進來然後鍾佳冰還剪破那個鋸馬鐵籠請問是大民主還是小民主我告訴你啦 我知道你也答不出來啦大民主 |
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因為是民進黨做的就是大民主柯建民說要罷免韓國瑜請問秘書長是大民主還是小民主你一樣答不出來嗎這憲政常識啊 請問韓國瑜怎麼罷免我不太清楚耶 秘書長就教一下這憲政常識啊這個總召講 我覺得應該問沒有 我問你憲政常識 不要管柯建民嘛你看你也要言必稱總召 |
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不分區怎麼罷免啊我所以叫他選國民黨黨主席罷免韓國瑜比較快啊我講什麼道理為什麼他開除韓國瑜的國民黨黨籍不分區資格消除他就是不是院長了所以柯建民連憲法的概念都沒有但是我跟你講一樣還是大民主因為是柯建民講的柯建民說要叫大法官把國民黨解散掉來請問我們偉大的行政院秘書長你支不支持 |
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是不是解散國民黨不可能嘛 不可能嘛謝謝你打臉了柯建民這個我肯定你但是我跟你講你還是錯的因為柯建民說要解散國民黨仍然是最大的民主更大的民主因為是民進黨說的算我再問你大法官違背八成反對廢除死刑的民意做出實質廢死的判決是大民主還是小民主 |
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你也答不出來不過大法官決議是合憲的合憲啦 可是我跟你講過了沒關係 我已經跟很多人賭過了加你一個 加你一個什麼叫實質廢止 我講實質廢止我的實質廢止定義很簡單賴清德5月19號 2028年5月19號卸任的那一天不會有任何死刑犯被執行 你敢跟我賭嗎會不會有死刑犯被執行 我告訴你一個都不會一個都不會有 這就是實質廢止 |
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要不然來賭一下你覺得在金澤總統卸任前有沒有可能我敢啊所以我告訴你不要再為大法官辯解就是實質廢死來我再問一下這個你總要回答出來這是基本民主常識題尹錫悅戒嚴是大民主還是小民主 |
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那後來已經被 這個決議已經被推翻了嘛所以你也反對嘛 對不對他不是大民主也不是小民主他有權力提 但是後來被國會推翻了那他是什麼民主啊 也是民主啊他叫不民主啦 那麼難回答啊但是即便尹錫悅是不民主民進黨立法院黨團的人發文力挺啊所以呢 一樣不民主的尹錫悅又變成大民主了那我最後再問你一個問題 |
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立法院按照多數決 按照我們所選出來的民意三讀通過的法律 請問是大民主還是小民主啊 |
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法院通過的法案當然行政院是要依法行政非常好但是我們還是有一些就事上的我沒有問你後面大家究竟是什麼我還跟你說請問是大民主還是小民主這個是依法行政是不是民主嗎是民主啊謝謝你啊我告訴你又錯了是小民主甚至是不民主因為民進黨只要不高興都是小民主我接下來就要問我們的秘書長啊來來來到底什麼叫大民主啊 |
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今天行政院針對立法院按照民主多數決通過的三法你們要提出複議嘛對不對今天就憲訴法提複議啊你提複議是大民主還是小民主我們依法可以提出來的依法可以提出來 那是大還是小 |
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這個沒有所謂的大小非常好你又打點賴清德什麼叫更大的民主當總統的不如我們行政院秘書長大什麼小啊民主的程序就是民主的程序行政院有權赴議是民主程序的一個環立法院三讀通過法律是立法院多數民主的一個環賴清德是皇帝啊行政院赴議是比立法院更大的民主嗎是嗎是不是 |
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是不是嘛你比較大嘛是嗎沒有沒有這樣謝謝你嘛你剛剛都回答了沒有大小之分啦什麼更大的民主那我接下來想請教啊我直接跟你講啦你們當然也知道啦行政院復議喔因為立法院多數通過法律你進來復議我們也不會讓你復議成功啦那接下來幹嘛釋憲了是不是釋憲是不是 |
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沒有啦 那個還是要經過立法院的程序啊沒關係啦沒關係 我就跟你講就像我剛剛跟你講5月2028年5月19號之前不會有一個一個死刑執行啦我直接跟你斷言嘛那剛剛你也可以證明我錯嘛可以證明我錯嘛時間嘛 十天就證明了嘛十天內就證明了 我就問你喔接下來如果被否決 請問現在要怎麼做 釋憲嗎 |
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希望跟立法院來做溝通好啦好啦你努力你辛苦你努力溝通啦你用更大的民主來跟我們立法院小民主溝通啦立法院很小啦不用擔心直接踩過去碾壓他用更大的民主碾壓就好了有什麼好溝通的賴總統都不溝通的欸賴總統現在溝通過沒有啊 |
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那種說突然今天元旦才突然醒悟說要找韓國瑜來溝通他也沒搞懂欸韓國瑜是立法院院長議事總理其實找他溝通也不是正確的事情要找在野黨主席溝通一個叫做朱立倫一個叫代理黨主席黃國昌啊建議一下啦要展現溝通也不是這樣展現方式啊那我接下來問你嘛要不要示現嘛答不出來啦齁 |
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那個就是立法院附議的結果沒有我告訴你沒關係我這邊就直接說一件事情今天我們的民主走到這個地步立法院的立法委員不是我們個人的意志我們是人民選出來是人民賦予我們的民意我們通過的法律在你賴清德口中叫做什麼 |
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叫做低贱的民族吗你是高贵的民族你是更高大上的民族吗是这样意思吗你不如我们狗明星秘书长啊他直接跟你讲哪有大小之分啊 |
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都是按照憲法底下的民主程序我也不認為行政院附議就比較小哦沒有這回事哦都是憲政程序啊什麼叫更大的民主那我直接問啊請問更大的民主賴清德是在號召民進黨大罷免嗎是宣誓要大罷免嗎還是今天更大的民主賴清德是說要開始展開所謂的全民公投嗎 |
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不管是哪一個程序,仍然是民主程序的一環,也沒有所謂大小之分那我最後要講一件事情,戴金德如果真的要講更大的民主,那如果意思是罷免,大罷免就是真的完全呼應了柯建民一路的主張,民進黨一路的主張就不要再裝了,不要再搞什麼偽公民團體這邊請客吃飯直接民進黨掛黨部的名字出來發動大罷免 |
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至少你今天有氣魄單刀直入清清楚楚明明白白第二個我跟民主黨幫我轉達一下卓榮泰院長請卓榮泰院長轉達一下賴清德總統如果他講的是公投很好請他宣布民進黨不要再黨公投並大選了民進黨自己閹割了公投現在跟我講公投 |
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先回去懺悔十天行政院復議期十天回去懺悔十天再來跟我講公投我告訴你不管罷免公投或者是今天立法院通過的法律乃至於行政院復議大法官釋憲都叫做民主的一環更大的民主不是皇帝不是愛心德 謝謝好 謝謝接下來請張祺凱委員 |