| IVOD_ID |
158632 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158632 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:36:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:49:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5398e5df1141ff2b3f82bf49b3fbaf4a5671cb7f8abfc27ff3b3d0bf90661b4be5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:47 - 11:49:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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首先本席想要針對去年其實就是上個月12月18號我們內政委員會審查行政院總預算的時候行政官員沒有經過主席同意擅自離場當然剛剛您在前面的答詢有特別講你說 |
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會議通知到兩點那在兩點的時候這個螢幕還是在進行這個還是呈現會議上位開始那 |
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請問1點48分的時候您還在現場嗎我在現場對 所以你應該知道嘛本席有回到會場嘛然後宣布開會然後接著宣布延長會議但是當時確實啊民進黨的委員這個很多的聲音這樣讓議事人員呢他們做事完全依法所以他們在這個我們本席宣告之後然後離開就宣告延長會議 |
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那他們要確認他這個錄音有沒有錄到所以他們在兩點多才確認所以在過去從來沒有一位行政官員沒有經過主席同意不管是院級還是部會等級的這個沒有經過立法院這個會議的主席同意就擅自離場過去從來沒有 |
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那即便是您剛剛有講您的這個幕僚來Call您回來包括所有列席的各個單位的這個列席人員他們多少依據過去他們多少也會問一下議事人員 |
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其實我們的主任秘書我們台上的主任秘書他那一天他知道這個會議其實還沒有結束所以下午4點多本席再回來的時候主任秘書都在現場那當然後來本席也致電給您您也來到了現場來到現場突然又離開這什麼原因您都回到現場報告主席就是說 |
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我回來的時候那時候因為我剛才提到就是說原來我離開的時候有會議上會開始這個部分那但是後來你回來的時候那時候的螢幕已經改了改成會議開始休息我就覺得這個是有不一樣的事情嘛有不一樣的事情所以我就再回來看看現在會議到底是什麼狀況我回來的時候發現主席又不在了 |
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那主席都不在了嗎不是主席不在是因為主席在等你所以我說休息然後那一天等於我休息那他們跟我說您回來因為我不知道你什麼時候會回到所以你回來之後我就接著我就接著從這個辦公室趕回來了那我一回來你又走了 |
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主席不在但是會議是休息情況所以這個當然本席可以理解這個您啊我覺得您也是身不由己這一定是這個政黨政治的過程這個對您 |
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要求說你可以離開包含貴黨的委員沒有一個在所以你們索性都離開甚至現場本來還有一些行政列席人員在那他們也受到你們蠻大的壓力他們就全部走了我們也沒有刁難他們但是本席想請教您不就您的這個案例我們就講這個立法院的會議行政官員可以 |
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未經主席同意擅自離開您覺得這樣合乎憲政體制嗎?合乎立法院的運作嗎?合乎基本禮節嗎?是啦 如果正在會議進行當中的話不應該但是我剛才提到就是我判斷上這個會議到底現在的狀態說老實話不是那麼清楚啦 |
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不是那麼清楚 那你可以尊重主席嘛 對不對因為那時候主席也不在不是不是 那你不能等嘛 我都等你等好久了好不好所以這個本席只能說民進黨習慣違憲違法立法院就算譴責呢 民進黨的官員也是不痛不癢那這個 但是剩下的時間我想行政院還是有很多事情本席要這個質詢 |
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要來跟您來做一個討論首先第一個有關我們這個消費者消費者保護本席請教您您知道最近我們又聽說這個薑黃粉胡椒發現了蘇丹紅本席請教秘書長您知道薑黃粉或胡椒一罐大概多少錢嗎 |
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這個我沒有很了解大概嘛對幾百塊嘛對兩百到五百五百看大罐小罐對不對對好那本席再請教您你有沒有聽說有新聞說民眾在飯店或旅館甚至賓館被偷拍的情況 |
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就是被業者他裝 您知道嘛媒體有一些暴露所以像這些民眾的消費的權益或是他們的健康這個像這個胡椒薑黃粉裡面參有蘇丹紅他們這一些情況他們要怎麼辦他不可能為幾百塊 |
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來申訴嘛那我們行政院是不是可以對於像這種個別的可是他是集體性的包含您說這個飯店他裝了偷拍器他不會只拍到一個人吧他那個長時間的對不對受害的人一定很多嘛那上網這個偷把這個影片偷賣出去他賺了幾百萬就是這個不肖業者 |
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像這種我們竟然有消保處我們應該要考慮因為民眾不可能負擔這些訴訟費用所以行政院針對這一塊已經民間大家其實怨聲載道所以是不是團體訴訟的經費因為經費不足參與人數不夠所以困難重重那政府能不能提供足夠的經費協助消保團體提起訴訟 |
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可以嗎包委員我剛剛問的就是說食安的部分是有我們有個基金所以那個對那個食安法裡面就有規定所以這個部分的集體訴訟是沒有問題那其他的部分就是我們怎麼樣請那個主政機關相關的主政機關他們來協助或是地方政府那如果主政機關不撥預算或撥的預算不夠行政院會協助嗎 |
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會 好 對所以我們真的希望行政院一定要負起協助提起團體訴訟保障民眾的消費權益好 那再來本席要就這個我們行政院常常會研擬一些法律的草案 對不對還有行政命令 對不對行政法規命令 |
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那這個為了讓各界能夠充分事先了解而且充分的時間表達意見所以都要提前公告這點祕書長您知道嗎要預告對就是預告嘛那現在很多的法律案都沒有預告然後你們都自己就在那邊做也不讓大家可以連我們立委都不知道這一塊可不可以改進當然可以改進但是我跟委員說明一下 |
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如果是行政命令行政法規的部分沒有我法律案我特別針對法律案因為你們行政命令行政法規有規定要60天那個一定要60天因為人民沒有如果沒有你馬上公佈沒有反應期但是因為法律案通常會有冗長的比較討論的過程這個討論過程就可以表達意見等等一些情況 |
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所以你們不用預告嗎還是要預告嗎對 理論上原則上還是要預告但是只是說所以執行上都常常沒有預告這樣不好啦好不好可不可以改進可不可以改進啊我們會以這個作為最大的原則啦對啦 應該要嘛好不好對對對還是會有這個原則那最後就是行政院其實更重要的職責是在於跨部會的整合您認同嗎是的 |
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對所有事情包括剛剛今天蘇巧慧委員她也說事業廢水要您針對內政部跟經濟部要做協調嘛那我們在打詐的部分那更是跨了四五個單位所以我們 |
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這個現在我們台灣的打詐越打越詐四肢不協調的這個問題所以我們針對行政院的跨部會整合我請秘書長您回去傳達院長也好還有在整個行政院我們在統領各部會的時候一定要加強這個跨部會整合可以嗎是所以我們打詐辦 |
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指揮官在這裡我知道不只打詐嘛你既然講到這兒本席請教你你有在路上走路的時候你有看過有那個小綠人的號誌嗎有沒有小綠人對對對他剩下兩秒你會不會過不會剩兩秒為什麼不過 |
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剩兩秒因為你過不了不一定啊為什麼剩兩秒過不了我們立法院這邊有小綠人剩兩秒過得了所以好 這個秘書長說剩兩秒就不過但一般民眾會這樣嗎很多人對很多的交通法規不是那麼了解嘛 |
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621.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
649.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
所以現在這個我們在交通部我們有關行人道路安全或者是這個罰則的部分有交通部還有我們內政部國土署那造成民怨非常大每年我們的這個道路交通有很多的灰色地帶然後像本席舉例的這種或者是您知道現在有一種叫做行人優先區您知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
650.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
664.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
對啊,就是車子不能進去嘛車子可以進的行人優先區那他說在行人優先區只要車子跟人碰撞車子要負完全的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
665.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
679.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那因為他車子可以進嘛那車子如果進去那今天如果有人真正刻意去衝擊去撞擊任何的機車腳踏車或者是汽車那所有的責任都還是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
681.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
704.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
交通工具的這個所有人他要承擔所以有很多不合理民眾一直的來跟我相信每個委員都常常有跟這個各部會在反映所以我們希望行政院對於有些要跨部會整合的然後民眾特別期待的像我們每年像去年前年了112年已經前年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
707.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
724.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
74億的罰還561萬件的交通罰單那很多是灰色地帶所以我們是不是行政院可以責成相關的部會來檢討不要老是讓政府的失職然後呢讓人民受罰這一塊可不可以改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
726.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
754.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我們 道安會報都會有定期在開啦對啊 都是跨部會整合啦那有些問題一直存在著民眾也跟我們反映到疲累了但是時時都有這種反應昨天本席還馬上看到一個民眾親自用訊息來反映隨時我們都接受到所以這一塊我們是不是可以請行政院相關單位在道安會報 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
755.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
769.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
也好,那時候所有單位都在嘛好好的做個檢討,可以嗎?可以可以好,謝謝,謝謝秘書謝謝,那國民省本市要提醒您一下剛剛徐欣盈、趙偉在問您說您剛剛說您不曉得那當天 |