| IVOD_ID |
158630 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158630 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:30:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:42:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5afd1fb059652fd2b5efe2b3915ec9263671cb7f8abfc27ff0ed430b54b12589a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:28 - 11:42:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長報告「推動『二軌外交』與『元首外交』（含『繁榮南島智慧永續』出訪專案與友邦合作計畫）及近期外交出訪之成效」，並備質詢。） |
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你好 上次我在這邊質詢提到一個杜拜辦事處的事情就是你們的國會聯絡人說杜拜辦事處沒辦法協助國人去解決有關於簽證發錯的問題要自己去找旅行社後來你也有承認說可能這樣做不妥後來有去了解或是做出相關處置 |
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因為這個是涉及到他的簽證資格來我請我同仁再說明一下部長那個跟簽證資格沒有關係我再講一次四個人有大有小一起去申請電子簽證然後回來的時候大人都沒問題小朋友的變成一個黑人的簽證 |
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所以是確實跟資格沒關係是他們發錯了那發錯之後就希望說能夠透過杜拜的辦事處跟當地的政府講一下說這個弄錯了可不可以發一個正確的來這跟資格沒有問題但當時我跟你們國會聯絡人聯繫一個科長他說他們沒有辦法叫我去找一個旅行社那我就說那你總是要去聯繫一下嘛然後就不了了之那這會讓人家覺得外交部都在推工作嘛 |
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你們在旅行社幫他辦啦所以那像是我們這個叫旅行社外交是不是啦我覺得雙軌OK我可以接受就是民間公家一起處理但是全部堆給民間我們問說那杜拜辦事處處理得怎麼樣說哎呀會處理會處理官寮的要死最後不了了之連回應都沒有部長你可以接受嗎那我上次來質詢你說你覺得這樣也不妥 |
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對啊 要吉民所及嘛那你現在又扯到說是資格不符你根本沒有搞清楚狀況嘛他們先前是說因為那個不滿不滿不是啦 我希望你這個事情去追查去處理好不好 給我一個回覆好不好為什麼你們的國會聯絡員會講 而且是科長欸 |
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國會聯絡人如果不想做國會聯絡的話你可以給他調別的單位啊怎麼會說給你一個旅行社叫你自己去聯繫然後請你們聯絡杜拜的那個住處然後就不了了之你們國會聯絡人可以這樣子嗎來這邊應付喔 |
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國會聯絡人在嗎不用浪費時間了部長我希望我下次還會再來問請你處理之後我現在來問你陳儲的狀況因為你部長你在你這邊的態度也會上行下效嘛大家就會覺得說我的態度 |
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跟你一樣啦 就急民所急苦民所苦所以在外交事務上來找我們我們都要當作這是國人嘛在外面的時候有一些遇到困難不管怎麼樣我們就是說旅行社當然他辦簽證我們要讓他也能夠來辦但是我們自己能夠幫忙什麼盡量的不要就是好像是說好像是對啊 他到後來都完全沒有回我我問說住處連都怎麼樣不了了之啊 兇得要命欸 |
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是喔那部長你現在這個態度下面覺得說反正因為我們的部長也是很會推很官僚啊無所謂啊所以就繼續啦你今天要宣誓嘛你接林佳龍當部長以後外交部從此不官僚苦民說苦我跟委員一樣都是民意代表出身那我們接到客訴啊 |
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我們都當作...那你們的國威聯絡就是沒有嘛我現在只是平常找你們 但我找不到部長嘛找聯絡人 聯絡人這種嘴臉那我們只能利用質詢的時候公開來講啊那現在已經告訴你第二次了 你還是一副無所謂的樣子請你去了解狀況好不好 部長好下一次我還是會來問 說明一下我還是會來問 然後為什麼會處理成這樣是那 部長我對你是有期待啦 |
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因為你也做過民代嘛你做過立委嘛那如果連做過民代做過立委的部長領導的外交部都這麼官僚不處理事情那我們對外交部還有什麼期待你可以接受嗎那請你下次來不要又回答一個好像不知道狀況的答案可以嗎其實我知道這四位是誰啦 |
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很重要的人啦重要不重要無關啦我現在沒有特別講他重要或不重要我講的是過程啦你不知道他是誰的時候都要很重視部長這跟是誰無關不用去影射現在是外交部處理的態度不要什麼都政治語言啦 |
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沒有什麼政治原因我現在都沒有講是誰那個事情後來人家也透過別的方式解決我現在講的是一個態度今天可能是A明天可能是B啊後天可能是C啊如果每次找外交部處理事件那因為委員這件事情已經過去那我來跟委員報告就是說我的態度啦我希望我的同仁在接到這個案子的時候當作自己的事幫忙找解決方法 |
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那旅行社幫忙辦我們大家旅行社知道不是旅行社幫忙辦但是我們辦處能夠怎麼樣去協助這個不是幫忙辦最近有一個人家已經在網路上做電子簽證自己已經申請了是因為對方傳錯了只是要去溝通說你搞錯了是不是可以傳個正確的這個人申辦這簽證跟他是誰然後跟什麼都無關所以扯東扯西就是你們在掩蓋你的官僚 |
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不然你那種態度我也是覺得很神悲啦這種情況我是必須要多講比如我去比利時假日啊然後有我們的國人丟掉了這個護照來辦理20分鐘就辦好對啦有的公務人員很棒我們稱讚嘛如果有做不好的我們要檢討但是我現在就把沒有做好的地方你去扯說重不重要我覺得你這政治語言政治語言真的很多耶有一些做得不夠好的要改進 |
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阿有些做得好的我要鼓勵阿而且我跟你講他們已經透過這個問題是後來用過民間的方式解決了嘛但是我現在講的是萬一其他不重要的人如果你會分重要不重要的話那下次有不重要的人遇到一樣狀況外交部是不是一樣都一樣要當作很重要對嘛那我們這個選民服務或是客服那你剛剛去扯重要不重要幹嘛阿我覺得 |
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因為部長高度了還在講選舉語言希望我的態度我已經講了那請你處理嘛那你請你處理啦因為服務業只要更好也沒有最好大家不斷的精進以後同仁就是外交部外交部也是服務業啊要有這個精神可是我遇到的好像就不是很服務業 |
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當然要講一套做一套我們一般民眾最討厭是口繪時不治話講得很漂亮實際上不是這樣那就是政治語言各案發生的時候不然他的怎麼樣我們都是要好好去檢視一下那下次可以把這個過程跟我再講一下嗎就是後續我怕委員我們講太細這個個案就跑出來了不是我是說怎麼處理這個SOP啦你一直故意去扯那個個案 |
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因為個案有好有壞嘛有時候比利時那個很好這個個案不管他是誰他就是大人小孩一起去申請簽證電子簽證也沒有麻煩你們只是說杜拜那邊傳了一個電子簽證是錯的希望說透過住處去溝通一下就是這麼簡單也沒有簽證資格不符的問題也沒有叫你們外交部做什麼特權的問題就是一般人希望尋求外交部的協助 |
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但是我聯繫的狀況外交部就是一副就是就是沒下文叫大家去找旅行社就是這麼簡單不用扯東扯西我現在只是問你的態度所以外交部是不是我跟委員的態度是一樣的那你怎麼會去扯誰重要誰不重要勒 |
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你們就是想要把他導到說好像哎呀這個人是不是有特權一點都沒有特權好不好一點都沒有不管他是誰啦他還是誰嘛對啦背景不管怎樣我們都要服務好所以部長你這樣上次我還說我期待你然後今天你又給我扯到什麼那個是影射說好像那個是不得了的什麼人也沒有什麼多不得了啦只是可能你們是不是有認識的什麼我不曉得啦也沒有什麼多不得了但是那你政治語言沒必要啦再來部長我想跟你請教一下 |
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賴總統不是要找韓院長喝咖啡嗎 是本月中旬是不是當然是出國前那這一次因為我看到很多黨政人士 媒體報 黨政人士對外講說這是朝野和諧 和解的意義那請問一下 因為就我了解應該是任何人代表台灣去慶賀應該總統都會接見一下嘛 勉勵一下嘛然後告知一些任務嘛 大概是這樣嘛 對不對 |
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當然不一定啦不一定 那還有什麼因為有些是出去前 有些是回來後有一些有沒有 這個情況不太一樣但這一次總統是很慎重 認為說請韓院長來率團所以大家就與台灣不管是外交或其他的事情可以聊聊你說還會聊外交以外其他的事情是不是 |
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就是聊了當然就是大家都很自由啊 |
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什麼啦 有人聽得懂嗎外交是內政的延長所以你的意思是說 不好意思我幫你收斂一下你的意思是說一般來講的話出訪前會找來大概主要是講出訪的事但是因為這一次可能會比較不一樣可能會聊一些要聊有關於出訪之外的有關於內政的東西我不是這個意思我是一見面是沒有什麼說什麼人聊什麼不能聊當然主要是要 |
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就這一次的我們的代表團去慶賀的事情嘛主要是慶賀的事情嘛一定是的啊那因為這一次韓院長去那當然也算是外交的一種嘛因為您一直提到說應該要各種外交嘛總和外交嘛國會外交也是嘛那請問外交部這邊是提供了什麼協助嗎 |
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因為我看到之前好像游樂總去的時候外交部也有準備辦首禮然後應該也是有幫忙聯繫一些就是當地的行政官員嘛或者國會議員我們外交部會做基本的這個所有行政作業當然這個代表團因為他是立法院長他也許也有一些他自己就是說就是到那邊去他要 |
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希望能夠盡一份力量的地方嘛這個我有看到公文啦 都有啦你說有看到它的行程是不是不是啦 就是說當然有一些增加的一些項目啦或者是禮物啦 或者是什麼我們都會做準備啦 基本我請我們市長來跟你詳細報告啦 來 |
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我們現在針對慶賀團的行程都還在安排當中,那就是慶賀團出去之後,如果團長這邊有一些其他的指示,我們如果是跟潛力符合,那也是符合外交禮儀的,我們也都會盡量來配合辦理,那通常訪團出去的話,我們也都會幫忙準備備禮,這個也都是會繼續做的。 |
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所以他就是說以他為主啦他行程他會自己安排但是如果希望外交部協助的部分外交部才會去幫他安排親熱團的行程是由外交部還有我們的駐外單位來一起來安排因為這個親熱團是我們國家的親熱團那現在有現在有應該都不能講嘛對不對都還在安排還在安排當中OK那最後我想問部長所以你覺得這一個 |
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韓院長去對於朝野未來和諧您自己個人認為有幫助嗎會不會因為現在大家會害怕嘛會不會見完面之後忽然又翻臉的以前朝野常常遇到這種狀況不會啦我想總統已經講很清楚就是這個去代表國家去慶賀我們外交部會全力來配合所有這些行政作業好謝謝 |