| IVOD_ID |
158628 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158628 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:19:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:33:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5c7546c34fca9d2971ad867d1dd5d1dbf671cb7f8abfc27ffe335e2cb9b568a595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:58 - 11:33:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：113年12月30日(一)下午5時】
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 各位先進我先提一個權宜問題今天我們要省土銀還有印刷廠的預算結果今天巡打馬上就處理 |
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過去從來沒有這個慣例 因為現在有七十幾個案子也都沒有跟委員協調 到目前只有十幾個案子有協調所以我具體的建議 今天只有詢問 不要處理然後呢 我建議我們的召委 因為為什麼他要這樣子 召委員無奈 |
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很無奈 因為今天是最後一次他當召委了所以下個禮拜能不能夠跟另外一位召委就外匯委員跟他借一個小時的時間那是今天這樣子我們來處理我想這樣對委員比較尊重因為今天還有一整天的時間可以去讓行政部門跟我們委員還有討論否則七十幾個案子一個一個討論這個也不是個辦法 |
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哇 你真的不行那整個案子就送到朝委協商也不是不可以過去的案例是 喔來不及了 啊來不及就往前送往前送 就不要今天這樣子今天給人家感覺很倉促啦 處理的品質很不好也不尊重立委好不好 我就提這樣的一個缺乳問題 |
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等下我們跟賴昭偉討論如果他同意下個禮拜借我禮拜一借我大概一個小時的時間那我們現在的這個相關的提案預算案只有71個案子那71個案子如果今天不處理我想這個土銀 煙酒公司印刷廠那你們可以趕快花時間到下個禮拜一比如說9點我們來審查這個預算的時候你們還有一天多的時間可以跟各個各位委員去做溝通說不定70幾個案子溝通 |
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完以後說不定剩下沒有多少個案子說不定委員都可以有溝通的這個說是不是不一定簡略啊說不定是凍結啊或是給大家一點時間好了等一下如果賴委員同意等一下賴委員會過來如果他同意的話我們就下個禮拜一來講對 我就說下個禮拜借一個小時時間給我們那個陳委員啊 陳昭偉啊 |
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等一下如果賴委員同意下個禮拜給我一個小時的時間因為70幾個案子現在只有溝通了11個案子那我們還是給相關單位一點時間繼續做溝通如果可以縮減的話那到時候事實上下個禮拜也會很快的就審查完畢嘛好 這樣可以嗎可以可以 如果賴委員同意的話可以好 謝謝好 請部長 |
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委員好部長你好我還是關心財化法昨天賴總統講話了他說要用更大的民族他講的就是要提富裕啦要提視線啦要提公統啦我請問你是不是確定財化法要提富裕是不是 |
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委員第一個目前來說12月20號三讀通過的裁劃法目前還沒有送出立法院還在行政院那對於修正的裁劃法 |
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那我們和主總也都在盤一些對於這個中央施政的一些影響以及我們行政團隊會以什麼樣的合憲合法的一些程序來做一些救濟的措施也都在各種措施都在評估當中是這樣子的 |
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那你們有哪些業務要抹給地方你們一直講說錢給了 事情要給有沒有評估哪些事情給地方至於哪一些業務要做一些移轉因為支出的移轉跟業務的移轉是有相關聯的那是屬於各部會各部會的業務的部分什麼時候可以清出來 |
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什麼時候會計出來我想這個部分行政院會跟各部會去做討論然後看哪一些業務適合做移轉那因為財政部這個部分並沒有去做實際的這個你們財政部啊到現在為止啊擺爛的地方就是你們到現在都沒有版本啊 |
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沒有辦法討論委員 財政局並沒有擺爛也跟委員說很多次的說明財化法的修正它必須要經過充分的討論現在已經刪渡通過了講這些現在已經刪渡通過了火車火車已經開到左營了你還在講說台北怎麼開桃園怎麼開 已經開到左營了 |
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因為委員說財政部擺爛所以我才做這個說明但我也知道目前12月20號已經通過了財化法的修正三讀通過了你們就是要叫你不要再回覆說不能接受不能接受他已經通過了不能接受什麼 |
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你怎麼去把他推翻除了你公投把他推翻我剛剛才跟委員報告就是說有關在這個合憲合法的行程程序上大家再來討論相關的因應措施那是哪些因應措施 |
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目前都在評估當中那您剛剛也提到了 比如說支出水桶業務的移轉的部分那當然涉及到各部會議的一些計畫的業務的部分也都在現在我們要看喔 我們也正在審114年的總預算是的 是的我們沒有耽誤你們喔 |
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所以現在有學者 我看了一下 今天有學者點名的所以能不能大家乾脆各退一步就是啊 因為現在已經省完預算啦你們也來不及啦乾脆115年開始實施新的法 你們也不要囉嗦也不要去提視線 不要提復義大家各退一步 這樣的 有學者這樣的建議你們的看法怎麼樣 |
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是的我們之前也很清楚的說明114年已經展開了各項的業務要往前走都要往前推展所以我們也希望我們大院能夠趕快審議完畢114年度的預算讓各項施政可以不要受到影響謝謝立法院能夠這樣幫我們一起審查這個預算那至於您提到就是說通過的這個財化法 |
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但是由於他現在的條文是這麼寫的就是說公佈後就生效嘛就施行了就公佈日施行那是不是要怎麼樣調整我覺得當然委員您提出了這樣的一個行政院報就學者提出來我只是替你雞婆替你想一個解套方式大家這樣子否則的話火車一樣對撞這個沒完沒了到現在為止是沒完沒了的沒完沒了 |
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你們不接受 你們現在不接受那怎麼辦咧 法律通過了你不能夠說法律通過的你不管他啊 不可以啊當然現在機關必須依法行政是一個事實你再仔細想一下啦齁這些學者的意見啦多去整理啊想一想怎麼樣火車往前開啦其實還有一招嘛你們稅計勝利拿出來補 |
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這個3000多億就有了啊 為什麼一定不能拿出來呢 稅計剩餘啊稅計剩餘的部分 稅計剩餘的金額可能沒有那麼高照那天主計長的一個說法 稅計剩餘的金額應該是有限的對 有限的 那至於今年就這些了啦 問你喔 那個燕酒公司 董事長一起來湯董事長是嗎 是董事長 董事長 |
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這個啊你們今年度啊營業額獲利都不達預期的目標差很多你們的員工啊績效跟年終獎金只有2.5個月部長仔細聽好 部長你們這裡面來講的話台電 中油它也業績也不行啊可是它一樣可以領4.4個月財政部你怎麼樣幫他講話經濟部 |
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莊園台電沒有到達預定的目標一樣領4.4個月可是財政部就沒有啊底下只有領2.5個月你要不要幫燕酒公司講講話來 部長 |
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謝謝委員對我們菸酒公司同仁的一個鼓勵那我想這個有關績效加到年終獎金怎麼計算都有一套的制度那我們認為就是說其實菸酒公司湯董事長來了以後他也非常的積極在做這個委員你不要講這些有的沒的你就跟我講你怎麼爭取的啊 |
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因為一樣中油台電不達標但是記下獎金拿4.4個月研究公司不達標為什麼只能夠拿2.5個月你告訴我啊你怎麼辦啊部長啊台電才這麼講話啊我先這樣講台電跟中油基本它有一個公用事業性質在裡面它可能有一些比較多的一個政策性在裡面我相信是這樣子所以就是 |
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台電中央就是政府關心的原則說是4號原則說是4號董事長講話 董事長你講話爭取一下 給你機會爭取跟委員報告我們明年還是會積極努力的替員工來爭取達標4.4個月這個是我來的目標如果達不到的你要不要下台 |
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我們會盡全力來努力我們會盡全力來努力你應該有氣魄喔 年輕人有氣魄是打不到我下台來了喔 告訴你 留一年留一年長官看好啊今天一九公司為什麼這麼辛苦有很重要的兩大原因第一個賴清德總統當台南市長的時候他設立了捷太日菸台南廠 |
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結果市佔率42.5%國產業只有23%這是很重的原因日本老還越來啊日本大哥哥來清德關的我站著給人家設公司要專門打我們的研究公司第二個 海尼根你們的啤酒海尼根今年四月在屏東市要變成東北亞的公戶中心 |
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這兩個月的一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年一年 |
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各位我們報告事實上這個捷太跟這個海尼根這自由化競爭本來就存在這個市場那我來單位四個多月我們的團隊都相當的優秀所以我們對於明年超過2.5個月我們還是保持很高的信心 |
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怎麼樣增加啊 你現在都節節敗退啊業績會縮啊 業績越來越糟啊大陸市場也不可以啊大陸你現在進不去啊 兩岸關係這麼不好以前可以賣大陸 啤酒可以賣大陸現在大陸也進不去啊 你不知道要怎麼樣啦你現在開拓什麼市場 你告訴我是不是給你 催牛沒關係給你催你準備怎麼打開市場 |
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各位我們報告因為剛剛我提的我們的員工都相當優秀你講這個聽不懂啊你能不能講說我開拓美國市場可以嗎 |
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我們確實我們國外的市場明年會有新的訂單也都在洽在哪裡在哪裡因為現在還在保密階段可能不方便隨便亂講啊市場在哪裡天邊彩虹根本就是沒有看到你們的陰影所以台灣煙酒公司業績節節敗退這才是很悲哀的而且部長又不幫你們講話說因為我有政策目 |
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我有政策的目標 中有台電的政策目標都可以要領4.4 你們就領不到公會要找你喔 跟你講 |