| IVOD_ID |
158625 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158625 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:13:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:23:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5082ec3acfd6f684bf82bf49b3fbaf4a5671cb7f8abfc27fffb433ea9b5ad6db25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:22 - 11:23:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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主席好 麻煩請秘書長好 請龔秘書長葉委員好龔秘書長 先跟你確定一下剛剛民進黨的委員就是說財化法通過之後立刻對地方造成立刻對中央造成危害我想問行政院發言人之前講說財化法造成今年的總預算要重編這個已經被證實是一個假消息了對不對 |
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沒有要從邊嘛沒有嘛那為什麼內政部在前兩天的時候還發臉書說他今年所有的建設都要減少28%包括育兒津貼包括地下污水下水道包括打炸都要減少28%為什麼是要給地方嗎內政部是不是要把28%預算給地方在今年就要給油嗎 |
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預算現在還在大院審議當中對 如果通過的話如果通過是不是要給地方28%今年有嗎就要看有沒有嘛對 就要看那個文本最後的結果怎麼來認證不是啊 如果通過 都專案通過有要給28%嗎 有嗎 |
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他如果當時實施那當時實施就沒有實施嘛今年就沒有從編而且也沒有要實施那內政部為什麼要減少28%這他自己要放口袋喔不是沒有這樣我覺得大家針對財化法就就事論事啦 |
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因為二十幾年前大家都說財務法沒有修嘛那賴清德總統在當市長的時候也說要修嘛對於版本如果有意見大家可以來討論但不用講那麼多政治語言嘛就沒有要減百分之二十八那內政部可以這樣公然造謠喔民主黨你可不可以節制一下你們的政務官啊 |
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國民黨修裁劃法就是毀憲亂政民進黨的立委包括之前蘇貞昌在當主席的時候帶著當時的台南市長賴清德說裁劃法十幾年沒修罵那時候的中央說那時候的中央怠惰不願意處理難處理的問題 |
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那個時候就不是毀憲亂政現在國民黨修就毀憲亂政我真的很痛心啊看到民進黨的政務官老是政治語言欺騙社會大眾領著民脂民膏拿著納稅人的薪水然後到處欺騙大眾我真的聽不下去啦然後再來秘書長我覺得除了搞政治鬥爭之外行政院應該要注意一個我覺得很 |
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很危險的現象今天我們的題目叫做什麼霸凌對不對因為我發現行政院有一個部會霸凌很嚴重經濟部你知道為什麼嗎你要去注意一下你知道經濟部次長在郭志輝部長上任之後三個都要走了你知道這是嗎第一個林全仁然後再來陳正琦然後連錦江什麼時候要走 |
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大概三月吧三月要走你有看過您當那個政府官應該蠻久的吧在政府機關服務也蠻久的吧你有沒有看過一個部長上任不到九個月下面三個次長都要走人的你有沒有看過你有沒有看過 |
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可能有個人的規劃嘛當然都個人規劃嘛每一個離職都個人規劃嘛我看到那時候陳正琦要離開的時候郭志輝也是說尊重每一個人的生涯規劃啦每一個要離職的人都是做生涯規劃啦這是標準答案啦可是一個部長上任沒多久三個次長都要離開你們行政院都不會覺得很誇張喔 |
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我們現在在講霸凌 問我之前大家講勞動部有一個指標說他可能有霸凌就是他流動率很高嘛很多公務人員進到公家機關 到了勞動部寧可辭職也不要幹因為霸凌很嚴重嘛那今天經濟部長上任後 三個次長離開你覺得都是生涯規劃嗎你真的覺得都是生涯規劃嗎 什麼生涯規劃問我以前都沒有這個生涯規劃 換作智慧以後就有生涯規劃 |
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你有沒有去了解?秘書長你有沒有去了解?您是要做各部會協調溝通嘛你有沒有去了解這個現象有沒有?據我了解像陳正吉次長事實上他在520那時候他當時就表達他要退休了啦那時候部長說請他看能不能因為在政權轉軌的過程當中可不可以多留一段時間讓他同意那時候就講好到12月底 |
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那時候已經先講好了啦他臉緊張欸臉緊張的話因為他家庭還是 |
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爸爸要照顧啊 這些情況每個人都有檯面上理由 這就不尋常嘛而且秘書長 你知道今年啊川普上任之後是一個經濟非常有可能大變動的一年 你知道嗎你知道這事嗎 結果我們所有有經驗的次長都離開陳正琦已經是我們台灣少數具有大型經貿談判實務經驗的次長而且他在上一次川普在任的時候他就有跟美國交手過 |
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這樣的人才你們留不住就說生涯規劃好吧生涯規劃你就走吧連錦章負責產業現在你們經濟部一直在推很多綠能的政策搞得天怒人怨你有沒有看到一個新聞中鋼的員工工會又出來抗議了說經濟部要求中鋼要投資一家叫台灣智能什麼能源公司要做一個平台他們很害怕又要燒2500億有看到這個新聞嗎 |
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知道這個事嗎?看到這個事,但是那個是有點誇張啦有沒有誇張是一回事啦,那是因為當時您在做國發會主委的時候,國發基金有投資一個叫做新達海基嘛,新達海基最後怎麼樣,共有64億收場啦 |
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所以當然中鋼的員工會緊張嘛現在經濟部任何政策下來他們都怕說中鋼會不會虧損啊會影響到他們的分紅啊影響他們的股價啊那我現在講這個只是說我不是在跟你討論西部的經濟政策而是我們一個一個次長離開正值著我們經濟可能面臨到極大變動的一年 |
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行政院有沒有掌握有沒有了解到底是部長的問題還是次長的生涯規劃那我看到部長每一次他因為從企業來的以前聽說他在當企業家的時候常常丟一個方向下面就去研究研究完之後又說這個方向好像好像不可以再換下一個方向然後他的員工可能就疲於奔命這但是他民營企業我們不管 |
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現在如果做政務官 政務官如果也是這樣搞每天丟想法出來 叫下面去研究 叫下面去做然後做不出來 然後再換方向很多人當然這樣就受不了啊你有沒有去了解是不是這個情況上一次告訴大家說我們要去菲律賣店你知道這個事嗎 知道嗎然後在立法院大家質詢他他說這只是一個想法而已你知道這個事嗎所以政務官今天可以隨便亂拋想法 |
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他是部長欸 部長拋了一個想法 次長就要去研究了啊就研究完之後 發現這個不可行那次長會不會做很多攏事 會不會走錯方向 然後沒有價值感 沒有成就感 沒有功效感覺得好像部長隨便丟一句話 我們就要研究 但最後又不做不如歸去嘛 |
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回家養鳥、種花、下棋都比在這邊浪費時間好嘛這個也算是職場霸凌的一種啦所以民主黨你願不願意去了解一下因為我今天在跟你講這個事情不是政治鬥爭我跟你講這是有關於台灣的經濟發展啊因為尤其是我剛剛講了今年的經濟變動可能會很大可不可以去了解一下 |
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好 但是據初步的了解還是個人的這個職涯規劃當然是職涯規劃他會跟你講說我是被霸凌嗎或我覺得部長我待不下去嗎你勞動部上次第一次去調查那個北區分署的時候也都說利益良善也都說那個霸凌跟那個員工的輕生沒有直接關係 |
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看你用什麼力道去了解嘛你的力道如果只是說 請他來問兩句話當然他都會這樣規劃可是如果你認真的去了解問次長之外 問次長秘書然後甚至去了解整個經濟部的氛圍有沒有我剛剛講那個狀況嘛否則我真的很難理解你之前你也沒有發生過嘛你當政務官的時候 次長連續走三個有沒有沒有嘛 有還是沒有 |
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搖頭直接講沒有了我們要收音啦沒有嘛沒有嘛所以你覺得怪不怪 |
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為什麼大家都剛好在今年整個規劃剛剛已經有講包括陳振祺次長他事實上在520的時候就已經有這樣的表達然後大家談說那多留一陣子所以這個已經在不是最近才發生的而是在上任之前就是在上任之前就已經沒有我覺得當然這個表面的理由都有可是我們想要了解我們想要您去了解的是說怎麼樣把這些人才把它留下來 |
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好不好把這些人才留下來然後部長到底有沒有對一下溝通的問題這個你要去了解嘛你要真的去了解好不好可以嗎不要每次來都在那邊都在講什麼鬥爭的事情把台灣搞得好像都是只有政治口水真正該做都不做我覺得這不是國人的期待啦謝謝好接下來請吳啟明委員 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.249000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.809000+08:00 |
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主席好，麻煩請秘書長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.829000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.889000+08:00 |
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請龔秘書長。 |
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1 |
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龔秘書長明鑫 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.889000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:22.990000+08:00 |
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葉委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2025-01-02T11:13:23.010000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:25.591000+08:00 |
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龔秘書長，先跟你確定一下，剛剛民進黨的委員說財劃法通過之後會立刻對中央造成危害，我想問，行政院發言人之前講，財劃法造成今年的總預算要重編，這個已經被證實是一個假消息了嘛，對不對？ |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2025-01-02T11:13:46.963000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2025-01-02T11:13:47.583000+08:00 |
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沒有要重編嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2025-01-02T11:13:48.324000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:13:48.484000+08:00 |
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沒有要重編。 |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2025-01-02T11:13:49.564000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2025-01-02T11:13:56.546000+08:00 |
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為什麼內政部在前兩天還發臉書說它今年所有的建設都要減少28%？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2025-01-02T11:13:56.546000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:01.668000+08:00 |
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包括育兒津貼、包括地下污水下水道、包括打詐都要減少28%，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:01.668000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:01.848000+08:00 |
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是要給地方嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:01.848000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:02.729000+08:00 |
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內政部是不是要在今年把28%的預算給地方？有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:10.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:12.723000+08:00 |
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預算現在還在大院審議當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:13.223000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:18.945000+08:00 |
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對，如果通過的話，今年是不是要給地方28%？有嗎？ |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:18.945000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:19.245000+08:00 |
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就要看…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:20.085000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:20.485000+08:00 |
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有沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:21.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:23.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
就要看文本最後的結果會怎麼認定。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:24.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:25.727000+08:00 |
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如果都照案通過，也要給28%嗎？有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:28.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:31.224000+08:00 |
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它如果當時實施…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:31.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:32.045000+08:00 |
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就沒有實施嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:32.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:37.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
今年就沒有重編，而且也沒有要實施，內政部為什麼要減少28%？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:37.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:37.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
是它要放進自己的口袋噢！因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:41.096000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:43.659000+08:00 |
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秘書長，我覺得大家針對財劃法要就事論事啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:44.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:47.500000+08:00 |
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因為二十幾年前……大家都說財劃法沒有修嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:48.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:55.903000+08:00 |
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賴清德總統在當市長的時候也說要修，對於版本如果有意見，大家可以來討論，但不用講那麼多政治語言嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:56.724000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:59.205000+08:00 |
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就沒有要減28%，內政部可以這樣公然造謠嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-02T11:14:59.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-02T11:14:59.845000+08:00 |
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秘書長，你可不可以節制一下你們的政務官啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:06.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:07.812000+08:00 |
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國民黨修財劃法就是毀憲亂政？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:08.533000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:26.224000+08:00 |
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民進黨的立委，包括之前蘇貞昌在當主席的時候，帶著當時的臺南市長賴清德說，財劃法十幾年沒修，罵那時候的中央怠惰，不願意處理難處理的問題，那個時候就不是毀憲亂政，現在國民黨修就是毀憲亂政？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:26.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:40.476000+08:00 |
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我真的很痛心，看到你們民進黨的政務官老是在講政治語言，欺騙社會大眾，領著民脂民膏、拿著納稅人的薪水，然後到處欺騙大眾，我真的聽不下去啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:41.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:49.495000+08:00 |
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然後再來，秘書長，我覺得除了搞政治鬥爭之外，行政院應該要注意一個很危險的現象。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:49.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:51.496000+08:00 |
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今天我們的題目叫做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:51.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:52.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
霸凌對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:53.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:54.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
你有沒有發現行政院有個部會的霸凌很嚴重？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:56.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:56.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
就是經濟部。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:56.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-02T11:15:58.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
你知道為什麼嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-02T11:15:58.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:06.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你要去注意一下，你知道經濟部在郭智輝部長上任之後3個次長都要走了，你知道這個事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:06.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:11.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
第一個是林全能，再來是陳正祺，然後連錦漳什麼時候要走？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:12.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:13.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
大概3月吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:13.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:14.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
3月要走。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:14.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:18.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你有看過……您當政務官應該也滿久的吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:19.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:21.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
在政府機關也服務滿久的吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:21.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:22.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
八年多。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:21.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:28.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你有沒有看過一個部長上任不到9個月，下面3個次長都要走人的？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:28.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:28.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
你有沒有看過？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:33.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:34.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
可能有個人的規劃吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:35.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:36.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
當然都是個人規劃啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:36.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:38.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
每一個離職的人都是個人規劃嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:16:39.169000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:45.490000+08:00 |
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我看到陳正祺要離開的時候，郭智輝也是說尊重每一個人的生涯規劃啦！ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:16:46.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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2025-01-02T11:16:50.931000+08:00 |
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每一個要離職的人都是說「生涯規劃」，這是標準答案啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:51.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-02T11:16:57.533000+08:00 |
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可是一個部長上任沒多久，3個次長都要離開，你們行政院都不會覺得很誇張嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-02T11:16:59.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:04.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們現在在講霸凌，為什麼之前大家講勞動部有一個指標……它可能有霸凌？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:04.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:06.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
就是它的流動率很高嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:07.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:13.463000+08:00 |
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很多公務人員進到公家機關，到了勞動部寧可辭職也不要幹，因為霸凌很嚴重嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:14.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:20.389000+08:00 |
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今天經濟部長上任後，3個次長離開，你覺得都是生涯規劃嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:20.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:23.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你真的覺得都是生涯規劃嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:23.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:24.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
是什麼生涯規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:24.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:25.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
為什麼以前都沒有這個生涯規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:25.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:26.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
為什麼郭智輝來之後就有生涯規劃了？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:26.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:27.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:27.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:28.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你有沒有去瞭解？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:30.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:31.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
秘書長，你有沒有去瞭解？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:31.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:35.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
您是要做各部會的協調、溝通的，有沒有去瞭解這個現象？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:36.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:57.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
據我瞭解，像陳正祺次長事實上在520當時就表達要退休了，那時候部長是請他……看能不能……因為在政權轉軌的過程當中可不可以多留一段時間，而他也同意，那個時候就講好做到12月底，那個時候就已經先講好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:57.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-02T11:17:58.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
那連錦漳呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-02T11:17:57.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:07.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
連錦漳是因為有家庭、有爸爸要照顧等一些情況…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:07.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:09.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
每一個人都有枱面上的理由，這就是不尋常嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:10.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:16.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
而且秘書長，今年川普上任之後，是一個經濟非常有可能大變動的一年，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:16.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:17.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
您知道這個事嗎？知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:17.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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2025-01-02T11:18:34.434000+08:00 |
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結果我們所有有經驗的次長都離開，陳正祺已經是我們臺灣少數具有大型經貿談判實務經驗的次長，而且他在上一次川普在任的時候就有跟美國交手過，這種人才你們留不住，說是生涯規劃，好吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:34.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:35.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
既然是生涯規劃，你就走吧！可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:39.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-02T11:18:58.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
連錦漳負責產業，現在你們經濟部一直在推很多綠能的政策，搞得天怒人怨，你有沒有看到一個新聞，中鋼員工的工會又出來抗議了，說經濟部要求中鋼要投資一家叫臺灣智能的能源公司，要做一個平台，他們很害怕又要燒2,500億，有看到這個新聞嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-02T11:18:59.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:00.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
知道這個事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:00.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:02.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
有看到這個新聞，但是那個是有點誇張啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:02.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:10.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
有沒有誇張是一回事，那是因為當時您在做國發會主委的時候，國發基金有投資一個叫做…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
龔秘書長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:10.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:11.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
興達海基。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:11.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:12.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
興達海基嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:12.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:14.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
興達海基最後怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:14.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:14.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
虧了64億收場啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:17.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:19.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以中鋼的員工當然會緊張嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:19.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:25.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
現在經濟部任何政策下來，他們都怕中鋼會不會虧損，會影響到他們的分紅，影響他們的股價。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:26.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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2025-01-02T11:19:39.252000+08:00 |
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我現在講這個不是在跟你討論細部的經濟政策，而是我們一個一個次長離開，正值我們經濟可能面臨到極大變動的一年，行政院有沒有掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:39.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:40.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
有沒有了解？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:40.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:44.075000+08:00 |
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到底是部長的問題，還是次長的生涯規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-02T11:19:44.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-02T11:19:59.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
部長因為從企業來的，以前就聽說他在當企業家的時候，常常丟一個方向，下面的人就去研究，研究完之後，他又說這個方向好像不可以，再換下一個方向，所以他的員工可能就疲於奔命，但是他在民間企業，我們不管。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:00.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:09.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
現在他做政務官，如果也是這樣搞，每天丟想法出來，叫下面的人去研究，叫下面的人去做，做不出來，再換方向，這樣很多人當然就受不了！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:10.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:12.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
你有沒有去了解是不是這個情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:12.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:15.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
上一次他告訴大家，我們要去菲律賓買電。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:16.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:17.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
你知道這個事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:17.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:18.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
知道嗎？知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:18.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:20.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
然後在立法院大家質詢他，他說這只是一個想法而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-02T11:20:20.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-02T11:20:21.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
你知道這個事嗎？知道。 |
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0.778 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:21.010000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:29.665000+08:00 |
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所以政務官今天可以隨便亂拋想法，他是部長耶！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:38.308000+08:00 |
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部長拋了一個想法，次長就要去研究，結果研究完之後，他發現這個不可行，這樣次長會不會做很多冗事？ |
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| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:38.588000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:40.048000+08:00 |
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會不會？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:40.048000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:20:58.855000+08:00 |
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走錯方向，然後沒有價值感、沒有成就感、沒有功效感，覺得好像部長隨便丟一句話，他們就要研究，但最後又不做，不如歸去，回家養鳥、種花、下棋，都比在這邊浪費時間好，這個也算是職場霸凌的一種啦！ |
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0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:00.676000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:04.379000+08:00 |
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秘書長，所以你願不願意去了解一下？ |
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0.8 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:05.780000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:16.409000+08:00 |
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我今天跟你講這個事情不是政治鬥爭，我跟你講這個事情是攸關於臺灣的經濟發展，尤其是我剛剛講了，今年的經濟變動可能會很大，可不可以去了解一下？ |
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0.938 |
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龔秘書長明鑫 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:17.933000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:24.436000+08:00 |
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好，但是據初步地了解，還是個人的職涯規劃啦！ |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:24.436000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:27.677000+08:00 |
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當然是講職涯規劃，他會跟你講他是被霸凌嗎？ |
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0.895 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:27.677000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:31.759000+08:00 |
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或他覺得待不下去嗎？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:33+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:43.344000+08:00 |
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勞動部上次第一次去調查北區分署的時候，也都說立意良善，也都說霸凌與那個員工的輕生沒有直接關係。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:44.935000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:52.217000+08:00 |
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看你用什麼力道去了解，你的力道如果只是請他來問兩句話，他當然說，對不起，是生涯規劃。 |
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| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:21:52.217000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:02.321000+08:00 |
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可是如果你認真地去了解，去問次長之外，問次長秘書，甚至去了解整個經濟部的氛圍有沒有我剛剛講的那個狀況。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:02.501000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:06.402000+08:00 |
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否則，我真的很難理解，之前你有沒有發生過？ |
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0.944 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:07.422000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:08.863000+08:00 |
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你當政務官的時候，次長連續走3個，有沒有？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:09.003000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:09.283000+08:00 |
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沒有嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:09.363000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:09.603000+08:00 |
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有還是沒有？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:13.687000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:16.990000+08:00 |
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直接講沒有，我們要收音，沒有嘛！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:17.510000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:17.930000+08:00 |
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沒有嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:18.511000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:24.508000+08:00 |
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所以你覺得怪不怪，為什麼大家都剛好在今年生涯規劃…… |
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0.913 |
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龔秘書長明鑫 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:24.508000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:41.071000+08:00 |
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報告委員，但是我剛剛已經有講了，包括陳正祺次長，事實上，他在520的時候就已經有這樣的表達，然後大家談多留一陣子，所以這個不是最近才發生的，而是在郭部長上任之前，他就已經想要離職…… |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:42.491000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:51.785000+08:00 |
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秘書長，當然，表面的理由都有，可是我們想要您去了解的是怎麼樣把這些人才留下來，好不好？同意。 |
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| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:22:52.265000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:01.087000+08:00 |
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把這些人才留下來，還有部長到底有沒有對下溝通的問題，這個你要去了解，你要真的去了解，好不好？ |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:02.167000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:02.768000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:02.768000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:12.350000+08:00 |
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不要每次來都在講什麼鬥爭的事情，把臺灣搞得好像都只有政治口水，真正該做的都不做，我覺得這不是國人的期待，謝謝。 |
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0.98 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:12.550000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:23:12.710000+08:00 |
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接下來請吳琪銘委員。 |
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0.778 |