| IVOD_ID |
158610 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158610 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T10:14:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T10:21:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5e8e36b0e4d4d561ef82bf49b3fbaf4a58d75bdfb612c74e071a3c8e0ddb401085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:34 - 10:21:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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其實我們今天講霸凌其實我覺得在各個領域各個區塊都會有發生這種事吧 |
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因為我們這邊是職場就是在職業場合裡面如果有上屬跟下屬不是啊我說在各個領域都會各個各個地方都會有吧對都有都有可能對嘛但行政院當然是這個全國最高行政機關尤其是在公務人員裡面我們的公務人員裡面有相關的法規裡面其實 |
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長官交代的事情或什麼只要不違法是不是也要盡全力做到要不要因為依法行政依規定辦理只要按照這個法律跟相關規定來辦理那這個就是我們要把事情做好的對嘛但啦 |
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只要人多啊事情就多啦那在這個情況之下這個霸凌的這個分界我覺得啦即使行政院也有一個責任我們像我們推性平我們也是推了很久大家才清楚的知道那一條線到底在哪裡 |
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對不對那現在大家在講霸凌我覺得霸凌是不應該的但是那一條線秘書長你敢說我們全國的公務人員或是我們全部的各個不同的地方大家都很清楚知道那一條線在哪裡了嗎因為類似的案件它的形態是非常非常多元所以 |
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恐怕沒有辦法一刀說切下去這個是或不是所以為了怎麼樣經過專案小組的調查了解事實的真相以後才有辦法做一些判斷當然現在這個地方法院過去也有判例可以提供我們指引做參考比如說他是有連續性的針對特定的對象然後 |
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在形成那樣的一個給他壓力身心上的一些壓力的條件等等的一些情況那作為一些判斷的基準而已啦但是還是要看那個調查委員調查小組他們在做調查的時候事情的緣由等等的情況才有辦法做 |
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你說的是在處理事情的部分我現在要跟你探討的是我跟你講說行政院是有這個責任要去把這條線盡量把它切清楚那就像剛剛你說的 |
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有很多判例有很多什麼的或是你們調查了之後的結果什麼你們應該要把它列出來哪一些就是哪一些就是然後讓全國的行政機關 |
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至少有一個不是百分之百的那一條線但至少有一些準則你讓主管也可以知道讓一般的公務人員 基層的公務員也可以知道到底哪些是哪些這樣子他被欺負也可以申訴那當主管的也可以知道說哪些事情不該做我覺得現在應該要把這個放一個很重要的一塊吧 民主黨 |
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我們現在案件如果蒐集夠多的話它的樣態就會比較清楚那我們可以把哪些樣態是屬於霸凌的哪些是不可以做的也許我們會匯整起來然後對所有的公務機關來做一些發布或是讓民眾了解這個我們會積極的來做 |
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但是因為現在還在調查過程當中我想過了這段時間我們比較明確以後確立案件以後我們就可以歸納出來秘書長我不是叫你現在馬上做嗎我們說的是這個我當然知道可能要 |
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255.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
276.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
幾個月或一點時間去做嘛但你現在就要交代人家去做了嘛從判例從什麼從各方面嘛然後也不要說我要等到幾樣幾樣你才要有個幾個案例有個幾個你們整理一下就可以讓大家知道了啊對不對不是要收集到完全啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
276.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
298.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我覺得尤其現在大家在關注的有哪幾個有哪幾個讓大家知道全國的公務體系就讓大家全部都知道這樣不就好了嗎一步一步做啊我剛說的性評我們也是努力了那麼多年啊沒有不可能讓你一次100分啊但至少要做啊對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
300.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
321.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
現在人種的確是有在這樣做處理那至於說怎麼樣對外說明我想這個部分我們再跟人種討論一下就像您講的可能他可以階段性的逐步的對外說明本來就要階段性啦不要一步一步啦不然現在大家人家怎麼做事情對不對整個公務體系那麼多而且你公務體系定下去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
347.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所有的民間企業也是有個標準在啊對不對 我覺得要做的就是這個啦這才是我們要去做的重點嘛 好不好另外啦 剩下一點資料我們行政院有成立各支保護委員會 對不對現在是各支辦 現在在籌備委員會未來會成立嘛 各支辦嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
348.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
367.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
像現在啦吼 我們修法過之後啦這個啊 如果要罷免要什麼呀 要有身份證啦吼啊這個未來會不會有人啦假冒去擺攤啦 然後怎麼去獲取個資這個是有可能發生的欸你們應該要及早因應吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
370.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
389.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
了解就是說因為理論上來講的話所有的收集個資的話是不必要的個資都不要收集啊當然您剛才提到那個應該是那個是跟公投有關嗎還是罷免嗎罷免或公投嗎將來如果需要的話可能怎麼樣的一個機制那我想我們跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
390.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
410.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
中選會或內政部來進一步的做一些討論我覺得要及早因應啦一定會有人這樣子做的啦如果我們講的不好聽一點的如果你是詐騙集團他也不會跟你講說他是詐騙集團他就在那邊擺攤啊那他就可以拿到你的資料啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
411.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
427.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
這一點一定要及早因應我覺得要趕快訂出那個規範來人民的權利要受保障但政府我們也應該預期會發生什麼事情這一點我覺得可能要及早因應 好不好好的 謝謝好 接著請 |