| IVOD_ID |
158603 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158603 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T09:41:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T09:54:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e589abcf335a87bd7cf82bf49b3fbaf4a509f390aeb082454a6e0888262ff463d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:59 - 09:54:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請行政院龔秘書長好 請龔秘書長張委員早好 秘書長 今天是中華民國一百四年一月二號首先祝在座的各位委員同仁 政府官員以及媒體朋友新年快樂希望大家在新的一年都可以平安健康 |
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那昨天也是這個114年的元旦賴清德總統在總統府發表以民主厚實國力移向世界新局的新年談話總統府跟行政院的網站都有轉貼扣掉題目全文總共2975字很可惜沒有提到任何一次中華民國一次都沒有出現過所以本席要跟秘書長請教說希望說在這個 |
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元旦發表談話的時候可能說中華民國還是我們的家沒有國就沒有家所以希望說各部會不要只有在單位預算上有寫中華民國四個字那總統的元旦談話也說立法院所通過的爭議法案行政院有權提出復議提供立法院重新審視的空間憲政機關也可以提示憲通過憲法法庭判決明確憲政分際維護憲政秩序鞏固 |
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憲政體系所以我現在要請教秘書長就賴信哲總統的談話行政院是不是已經對於去年113年12月20日我們所通過的憲訴法才化法跟拳霸法要提出復議有要提復議嗎 |
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因為其中兩個法案基本上我們還沒收到文行政院還沒收到文所以要等到收到文看實際的內容是不是有自愛難行的部分我們才可以進一步的看要怎麼處理那有關於限訴法的部分今天行政院院會的確是有排一個議案是要提訴賦予不過最後的結果還是要行政院院會討論完結束以後決議以後才能夠確認這件事情那我請問秘書長以限訴法提出賦予的原因為何 |
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因為限訴法的規定只是說從原有人數改成法定人數三分之二您覺得提出復議的道理請您解釋這難道不是立法委員的職權嗎來請解釋就是說對行政部門來講的話通常在憲法法庭裡面我們要嘛就是被告的 |
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我們通常是被告的很多因為現在有好幾百案正在在審理當中要嘛就是我們告人家的所以我們變成是當事人那如果當事人這個這個憲法的法庭他的運作如果沒有辦法運作的話那我們當事人我們的權益會受到一些傷害那您清楚總統提名的大法官的名單被三黨全數否決嗎 |
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我知道對啊那你在兩個月內趕快再提出大法官的人選就好啦所以你還是認為復議是有道理的還是你是接受到哪一位長官或是總統給你的下令沒有沒有沒有因為現在開行政院院會嘛他已經排入議程那就要看行政院院會處理的結果 |
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好 這個秘書長我還是希望說你們可以給一個完整的答覆為什麼限訴法你們認為要提附議有自然難行之處其實大法官提好提滿是大家人民所能接受的不要是廢死大法官其實大家都可以接受這提醒秘書長第二個總統說才化法需要冷靜再思考為國家尋求長治久安之道請問何謂冷靜 執政黨現在有版本出來了嗎 |
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因為還是一樣就是說我們要收到這個正式的函文來以後我們才可以依據裡面的內容來做相關的判斷或處置但是大概有概略性的是有是有這個可能的影響是有做一些估算好因為最近大家其實媒體也吵得紛紛擾擾請問這個主計處有算出來這個財化法最後的結論的時候每個部會要各減28%的預算有算出來了嗎 |
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這是主委總書提供的資料都算出來了所以你們會自己先砍28%的預算每個部會每個單位 |
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沒有就是我剛才特別提到就是我們要看到正式的新聞以後才有辦法做更進一步的精算所以秘書長我覺得你今天的準備還是這個沒有很很充足啦所以我當然說希望當然希望說這個秘書長你要有肩膀那我總要問你一個問題就是說針對上次的內政委員會在12月18號下午4點當時這個我們 |
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學信委員那時候砍了要開會當時有一位秘書長就是您第一個就到回到我們內政委員會坐在第一個位置我還記得那時候我拿起電話打電話說怎麼你一個人到場我那時候我看那個樣子好像你是說你怎麼只有一個人到場其他人都還沒到結果後來所有的行政院的官員才到現場請問你是後來好像聽媒體報導你接到一通電話就起身離開請問那通電話是誰打給您的 |
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為什麼您到現場決定要開會而且還要打電話請大家回來以後是誰打給你通電話要求你要離開?是我辦公室同仁他是你下屬還是行政院長? |
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不是 就是我辦公室裡面的他是用什麼回覆回覆給你說要你離開他提醒我 他是提醒我說現在是不是他要我確定說我會留在這邊還是因為我行政院有會議大家在等我回去開會他問我說好 所以你的意思是說其他的其他的會議是比立法院請你提出相關預算的執行還要重要那請問你是什麼會議他請我去 |
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他請我確認就是說我要回去開會還是說要繼續留在這邊他沒有請你離開啊沒有 他誤我嘛他誤我說我要繼續留在這邊開會還是那你的回應是你要離開對 後來我決定要離開為什麼離開的原因還是沒有回應對 我剛才特別提到的就是說這個 |
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我在就是九點我就來八點多嘛我一直來一直等一直等等到了兩點多表定的這個會議結束以後那這時候的螢幕事實上還顯示會議尚未開始我離開的時候那時候已經兩點多了會議還沒有開始所以我就離開了我想說今天的議程就完畢了 |
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阿等到後來等一下秘書長你前後矛盾你一開始說你的同仁打電話給你問你有沒有其他的會議你聽我講完後來徐昭偉他在就是徐昭偉在4點16分的時候他進入那個好秘書長我跟你講我相信這等一下徐昭偉會親自問你因為這是你不尊重我們這個立政委員會的昭偉主席也有打給你可是你離開可是經費的重點專案報告是有關於這個 |
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這個霸凌案的部分所以我想要請因為我希望行政院不要只會提復議霸凌案應該也要趕快來去處理針對最近幾個案子有關於這個秘書處的徐處長的事情現在我想要請教徐處長在嗎 |
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好 秘書長要幫徐處長回答嗎我請教就媒體所披露的他有這個讓這個斷肢的工友下課痛哭酒醒才能調職有這件事情嗎這件事情後來怎麼處理 |
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報告委員那個是這樣據我的了解就是說因為這位同仁他要調職我只請教有沒有他下跪痛哭求情才能夠調職這件事情我們處長說他說他要下跪我們處長說我們一起跪 |
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因為這個工友對這個缺乏知名協助股那怎麼會讓一個工友好 第一件事怎麼會讓這個工友下跪痛哭絕情才能調職這第一個問題那第二個問題也是媒體所披露的就是跟同單位的誠信資訊長這個比 我認為比霸凌還要嚴重可是在今天的調查報告裡面完全沒有寫對於這個不免令的事情其實剛剛這個徐處長也有想要跟我解釋那我只是想問徐處長說 |
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為什麼會在這個7月26跟8月1號兩次質詢徐耕成下班後到閒置的副院長官邸約會?請問到底是在做什麼?那在裡面待了一個半小時到底在做什麼?可以這樣子公器私用嗎?而且還在下班時間這樣子難道秘書長你還要偏袒他嗎? |
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因為是講說因為那個時候這個房屋要修繕修繕一個半小時他要檢查去看嘛就是說了解一下情況是這樣那另外一同仁他是承辦人當然處長去承辦人也要去要不然怎麼樣去說怎麼樣去維護這個這個修繕的工作因為這個已經發包了已經要確定要怎麼做了要趕快確定下來 |
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那我再請教喔,請問秘書長你要繼續回答嗎?那我請教喔,那我因為時間的關係喔,那請問他們在媒體裡有說這個在吃早餐,每天都在早上吃早餐而且要把門關起來,中午要吃中餐沒有這樣的事所以媒體批調是錯的嗎?沒有這樣的事,對好,那我是用一點時間,我是不是可以請徐處長來接受質詢 |
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好 徐市長因為時間的關係我看到報導裡面有講其實你的個性其實是很溫馴的我是不是給你最後的時間因為我覺得不穩定的這件事情受傷最大的就是你的家人是不是給你一段時間讓你跟你的家人可以說幾句話好 感謝委員讓我有這個時間來說明這一切 |
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那個暴早7月25號不是7月26號我們進去寓所各位都知道7月26號是颱風天颱風過近之後其實我們上班後的第一天我們秘書處是最忙的我們到處去善後 |
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那7月26號那一天,其實一整天都在善後到了下班前,懲判同仁跟我講說我們那個獄所還沒有處理那接下來就是禮拜六禮拜天他不想要拖過兩個假日禮拜一再去處理他跟我說他要先去看一下所以懲判人是相當負責任的懲判人 |
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他跟我說完之後其實我當初還在忙我就說好您先去我等一下公事忙完我就去了可是事實上我心裡內心是在想說讓一個女孩子自己去預鎖我是不太放心的所以他去了沒有多久我就我公事處理完我也就跟著去了去了之後發現那個烏瓦破了一個大洞那個整個天花板已經是垮下來了我這邊都有剪付照片 |
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那8月1號呢8月1號各位可以看一下8月1號是過了一個禮拜因為其實那個中間我那個烏瓦的處理因為我們馬上就要大修了所以說我們就自己用簡易的修繕方式處理7月26號的時候我是用一個塑膠布蓋在上面然後拿一個烏瓦蓋著 |
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那8月1號的時候 各位去看一下天氣那天是下雨的一樣的狀況 我們想說下雨的時候好 所以組長 這個細節的部分我希望說會後時間關係會後提書面資料再給本席到底在裡面一個半小時是多少所以您剛我想要請你對您家人說幾話所以你認為你是沒有任何的問題嗎 |
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當然沒有任何的問題我是覺得這個報宅對我的家人還有同仁都造成了莫大的傷害這個我希望希望能夠還我一個清白謝謝好 謝謝處長那今天實現的關係我希望說未來還是要有這個跟下屬的分際那我希望說新的一年大家很多事情一起繼續努力謝謝 |
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好 那我們接下來 |