| IVOD_ID |
158524 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158524 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T12:34:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T12:43:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e09a4fe0b955bfaaaf4f10c035d50fc6485ada2b19569a09cc77c192756c22988b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
牛煦庭 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:34:13 - 12:43:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席,我們等一下投影片今天這個大家都要做一下投影片是這個嗎?哪一支?喔好 |
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行政院...今天是常務副秘書長喔?那只好請常務副秘書長。你們秘書長去哪裡啦?去內政。他說他去內政。去內政?沒有啊。他跟我請...經濟喔?去經濟喔?好吧。他上次內政也沒來啦。這我們後面再說啦。但你今天來了你就代表他啦,可以吧? |
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12月24日的新聞立法院通過財政收支 |
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畫本法條文這個發言人李惠芝表示這個修法沒有定生效日期所以馬上要生效預算可能要重新編列順著這樣子的一個說法各個部會就如同這個本席這個投影片上所展示的經濟部說砍300億這個國科會說砍200億 |
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還有一大堆的新聞,有些沒做圖卡的有很多新聞,800億,農業部、交通部、金管會、教育部、文化部、勞動部,通通都用28%這個標準來做射算。這個,副秘書長,這個是行政院下的令嗎? |
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要各部會用28%通算並且做統一的媒體發布有沒有下這樣的命令應該是沒有但是有或沒有沒有應該是沒有有還是沒有我的認知應該是沒有我不要你的認知有或沒有嘛你不知道我剛剛講說你剛才說你可以代表秘書長現在又應該沒有和你的認知裡沒有到底有沒有啊 |
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我所接收到的訊息是沒有你很厲害你可以換三次你所接收到的訊息是沒有那以你的專業跟你的經驗你可不可以判斷一下為什麼在沒有這樣子的命令情況之下為什麼大家默契這麼好都萬箭齊發發生什麼事了因為這一次的財劃法修正幅度相當大 |
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總金額是3753億少了那少了完了以後就是各部會的當然這個本席並不反對就是說財劃法的修正必然伴隨著叫做事權的檢討這本來就是大家都清楚的事也沒有人會反對大家花一點時間去溝通輕重緩急排一排去做調整 |
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這是一定會發生的事情但是你如果只是講說我說我現在中央要擠出3000多億的預算對不對我做的調整大概有幾種方式如果我只是純尊潔對不對我們先不講明明就會超徵這個後面再說但是你純尊潔你也不是有一種方法確實如同這些媒體新聞跟你發言人講的就是大家通通砍掉28% |
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這是一種方式那另外一種方式是你通盤檢討你各個部會的業務之後有一些金額大的但是不一定有優先性我可以多砍一點有一些金額比較小的有必要性的該持續要持續好比說國防或什麼他不能動的也是這樣但是你總要有一套完整而清楚的方案有一個完全客觀的討論依據你再來做新聞發布才是正確的對不對 |
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這個部分目前主計長這邊正在處理所以行政院的立場基本上還在做檢討跟整理的狀態是嗎? |
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因為主席長的報告就是寫這樣子的啊主席長的報告是寫這樣嗎?所以從你的認知就你的了解應該就是還在做整理嘛對不對?對好那既然還在做整理的事情為什麼你們可以放任這樣子的圖卡到處流傳?你行政院作為這些部會的頂頭上司你難道沒有約束跟監管的責任嗎? |
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因為他們各部會受到的衝擊他必須要表達出來啊各部會受到的衝擊要表達出來這是一個政治上的一個動作啊所以我剛剛第一個問題我問的是這個動作是你的授意嗎還是各部會自行歧視變成通通變自走炮 |
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先喊出來可能以後不會被砍是這樣嗎應該不是應該是表達他自己被受衝擊的程度啊你今天問題就只有兩個一個是你今天如果是中央授意那我們今天要檢討追究的就是為什麼你在版本方案都還沒有出來之前就可以進行授意進行這樣的處理那你剛剛講說行政院沒有授意各個部會自行歧視啊那 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
273.322 |
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286.692 |
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那關鍵就來啦如果這個是各個部會的各別部會的各別作為你行政院作為領導統一的時候你放任這樣的狀況出現不是很奇怪嗎明明大家都很清楚到底哪些東西要遵截順序是什麼額度是什麼都還沒有確定 |
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那你行政院作為領導的機關你就放任他們這樣子多頭馬車各行其實這樣是對的嗎有沒有應該檢討改進之處因為那一天23號的記者會的時候財政部長跟主計長已經跟大家報告過了這裡面會受到的衝擊緊接著下一個層級的話就是各部會他自己面臨的衝擊他必須要表達出來所以你基本上就是放任各個部會各自表述就對了 |
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320.946 |
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你覺得這樣子的資訊到處流傳會有什麼負面的影響?到最後如果出來的版本跟他們不一樣請問誰負責?這是不是就變成所謂的謠言跟假消息? |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
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349.527 |
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會不會變這樣應該會吧應該不會吧應該不會吧應該不會所以你的意思是行政院現在就是通令大家就是刪28%是嗎因為他的事實因為你的版本都是刪28%財務法經濟部就是他可以支配這個扣掉這些所謂人員你們剛剛都算過很清楚啦得28%就是300億嘛國科會就是200億這些等等他就是這樣算的啊我跟你講你今天如果這個東西已經是確定的我們現在正在進行預算審查我剛剛在內政委員會我問科委會啊 |
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350.247 |
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367.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯ |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
370.818 |
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我必須這樣跟委員報告啦那主計長剛剛講的那個報告裡面講的內容就是我們預算審查的時候分成四個區塊那有一個區塊是不能動的你不要再跟我講公式我們都很清楚我現在只問你是不是全部通令要刪28%是或不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
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那因為依照3000億裡面的時候你必須要減少3700多億你算出來的結論就是每個部會要28%嘛是或不是嘛你現在是不是要求大家都減28%嘛如果等比例刪減的話就是要38%那你現在要不要等比例刪減啊我現在問你是這個問題啊因為你的對外的訊息是你要等比例刪減可是你在這裡答詢的時候你有講不用等比例刪減那到底是要還是不要你這個政府機關在不同的場合講不一樣的話然後政令左搖右擺不是一件好事欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
417.858 |
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因為財劃法修正的影響是3753億那這些確定是要從支柱裡面去處理的確定要從支柱裡面處理不一定吧你如果真的我們剛剛有講到超增對不對如果真的有所謂的超增你辦追加預算是不是大家通通都問題都解決了財政部的報告很明顯的告訴我們前面十幾年裡面六年超增了有七年是短增了啊它不是每年都超增啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
442.236 |
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469.446 |
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我們現在就討論114年就好對不對你需要一點時間來做我只講這是其中的一種方式我們剛剛問你你說如果要用全部尊潔你現在的方案跟版本也沒出來但是到處奇怪的消息到處流竄你本來就有管理不善的責任這我希望行政院趕快把話講清楚既然你今天講大家希望還是要以支持114年總預算為原則這我們立法院我們也覺得通情達理我們也願意尊重大家就好好來做處理但是請問你要用什麼樣的方式 |
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去避免這樣亂七八糟的謠言繼續產生你有沒有一個明確的做法因為我覺得各部會的時候他受到衝擊的時候他也必須要表達出來 |
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482.725 |
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你如果想說這是行政院通令他要表達那我覺得那是另外一套邏輯我也不是不能接受但你講沒有啊你不能這樣玩兩面手法你一下講說他可以自己表達一下又講可是我沒有這樣的命令我跟你講這樣政府公信力會受影響好我最後一個問題不好意思耽誤一點點時間你現在各部會要盤點計劃性補助也許會改變分配比例或什麼各式各樣的方法有哪一些是你檢討原則哪一些項目是你優先要檢列的對象各縣市檢討的比例會是什麼請問你什麼時候會把這個版本算出來 |
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我們要看到的是這個東西嘛你如果有然後你再講衝擊大家可以接受縣市政府如果要用新增的統籌分配款來補也有理有據可是你完全沒有就是這種概括性的也不是中央政策的數字到處亂跑我是很懷疑你行政院螺絲掉滿地啦你這些計畫什麼時候可以給大家一個答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
529.99 |
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549.075 |
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這個部分那個主計長這邊正在處理正在處理的時間表啊 我要問時間表 我知道你在處理啊那個可能要讓主計長來處理這樣子讓他來處理這有問跟沒問一樣實在是喔好啦沒關係反正行政院秘書長這個禮拜四還會來內政委員會就希望他這個該來的時候要來好不好謝謝啦謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:20.102000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我們等一下投影片，今天這個議題大家都要做一下投影片。 |
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0.929 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:34:35.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:38.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
行政院今天列席的是常務副秘書長喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:39.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:40.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
好，那只好請常務副秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席（陳委員玉珍） |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:40.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:41.477000+08:00 |
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請李副秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:41.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:42.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
你們秘書長去哪裡了？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:42.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:45.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
去內政，他說他去內政。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:45.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:45.821000+08:00 |
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去內政？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:46.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:46.322000+08:00 |
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沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:46.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:48.384000+08:00 |
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他跟我請假……喔，經濟，是經濟嗎？ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:48.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:52.788000+08:00 |
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喔，去經濟，好吧，上次內政他也沒來，這我們後面再說。 |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:34:53.669000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:55.071000+08:00 |
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但你今天來，你就代表他，可以吧？可以。 |
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0.867 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:34:55.071000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:56.071000+08:00 |
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應該可以？ |
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0 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:56.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:57.071000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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0 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:57.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T12:34:58.071000+08:00 |
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今天大家都在討論財劃法，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-12-30T12:34:58.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-12-30T12:34:59.071000+08:00 |
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我看法案修正通過之後，圖卡、新聞齊發，大家都砍個沒完，殺聲四起。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:34:56.072000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:35:21.869000+08:00 |
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12月24日號的新聞報導，立法院通過財政收支劃分法條文，發言人李慧芝表示修法沒有定生效日期，所以馬上要生效，預算可能要重新編列。 |
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0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:35:22.810000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:35:45.333000+08:00 |
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順著這樣的一個說法，各個部會就如同本席這個投影片上所展示的，經濟部說砍300億，國科會也說砍200億，還有一大堆的新聞，有些沒做圖卡的也有很多新聞，有800億、農業部、交通部、金管會、教育部、文化部、勞動部通通都用28%這個標準來做設算。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-12-30T12:35:47.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-12-30T12:35:49.296000+08:00 |
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副秘書長，這個是行政院下的令嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-12-30T12:35:50.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-12-30T12:35:55.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
要各部會用28%通算並且做統一的媒體發布，有沒有下這樣的命令？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-12-30T12:35:57.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-12-30T12:35:58.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
應該是沒有，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-12-30T12:35:59.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:00.345000+08:00 |
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有或沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:00.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:02.967000+08:00 |
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沒有「應該是沒有」，有還是沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:03.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:04.509000+08:00 |
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我的認知應該是沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:04.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:06.270000+08:00 |
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不要你的認知，有或沒有嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:07.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:07.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
你不知道？嗯。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:08.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:13.678000+08:00 |
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你剛才說你可以代表秘書長，現在又說「應該沒有」和「你的認知裡沒有」，到底有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:15.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:17.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我所接收到的訊息是沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-12-30T12:36:17.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-12-30T12:36:20.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
你很厲害耶，你可以換3次，你所接收到的訊息是沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:21.252000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:29.661000+08:00 |
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那以你的專業跟經驗可不可以判斷一下，為什麼在沒有這樣子的命令情況之下，大家默契這麼好，都萬箭齊發，發生什麼事了？ |
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1 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:30.122000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:38.449000+08:00 |
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因為這一次的財劃法修正幅度相當大，總金額少了3,753億，少了以後就是各部會的…… |
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0.909 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:38.709000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:51.285000+08:00 |
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當然，本席並不反對財劃法的修正必然伴隨著事權的檢討，這本來就是大家都清楚的事，也沒有人會反對，大家花一點時間去溝通，輕重緩急排一排去做調整，這個是一定會發生的事情。 |
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0.987 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:36:51.765000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:32.876000+08:00 |
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但是如果只是講現在中央要擠出三千多億的預算，做的調整大概有幾種方式，如果只是純撙節，我們先不講明明就會超徵，這個後面再說，但是純撙節你也不是……有一種方法確實如同媒體新聞跟你們發言人講的，就是大家通通砍掉28%，這種齊頭式的鋸箭法是一種方式；另外一種方式是通盤檢討各個部會的業務之後，有一些金額大但是不一定有優先性的可以多砍一點，有一些金額比較小但有必要性的該持續的要持續，好比說國防或什麼，它是不能動的也是這樣，但是你總要有一套完整而清楚的方案，有一個完全客觀的討論依據，再來做新聞發布才是正確的，對不對？ |
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0.914 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:32.876000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:35.565000+08:00 |
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請回答。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:35.565000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:37.866000+08:00 |
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這個部分目前主計長正在處理。 |
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0.692 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:37.866000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:38.866000+08:00 |
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正在處理哦？ |
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0 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:37.866000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:38.426000+08:00 |
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正在處理。 |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:39.387000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:45.371000+08:00 |
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所以行政院的立場基本上現在還在做檢討跟整理的狀態，是嗎？ |
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0.923 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:48.670000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:50.472000+08:00 |
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因為主計長的報告就是寫這樣子。 |
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0.929 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:51.133000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:56.118000+08:00 |
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主計長的報告是寫這樣，所以從你的認知、就你的了解，應該就是還在做整理，對不對？對。 |
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0.971 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:37:56.118000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:01.383000+08:00 |
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好，既然還在做整理的事情，為什麼你們可以放任這樣子的圖卡到處流傳？ |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:01.784000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:05.627000+08:00 |
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行政院作為這些部會的頂頭上司，難道沒有約束跟監管的責任嗎？ |
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1 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:06.615000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:09.680000+08:00 |
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因為各部會受到的衝擊必須要表達出來。 |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:10.060000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:17.131000+08:00 |
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各部會受到的衝擊要表達出來，這是一個政治上的動作，所以剛剛第一個問題我問的是：這個動作是你的授意嗎？ |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:17.131000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:23.209000+08:00 |
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還是各個部會自行其是，通通變自走砲，先喊出來，可能以後不會被砍？ |
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0.857 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:23.209000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:25.270000+08:00 |
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是這樣嗎？ |
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1 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:25.270000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:25.430000+08:00 |
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應該不是…… |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:25.430000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:26.450000+08:00 |
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又說「應該不是」！ |
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0 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:26.450000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:29.151000+08:00 |
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應該是表達它自己受衝擊的程度。 |
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0.929 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:29.951000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:40.013000+08:00 |
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今天問題就只有兩個，一個是如果是中央授意，那我們今天要檢討追究的就是為什麼在版本方案都還沒有出來之前，就可以逕行授意進行這樣的處理？ |
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0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:40.653000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:54.868000+08:00 |
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你剛剛說行政院沒有授意，是各個部會自行其是，那關鍵就來了，如果這是各部會的個別作為，行政院作為領導統御者，放任這樣的狀況出現不是很奇怪嗎？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:38:54.868000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:06.022000+08:00 |
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明明大家都很清楚，到底哪些東西要撙節、順序是什麼、額度是什麼都還沒有確定，行政院作為領導機關，放任他們這樣子多頭馬車各行其是，這樣是對的嗎？ |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:06.022000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:07.543000+08:00 |
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有沒有應該檢討改進之處？ |
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1 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:07.543000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:22.030000+08:00 |
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因為23日的記者會，財政部長跟主計長已經跟大家報告過這裡面會受到的衝擊，緊接著下一個層級就是各部會自己面臨的衝擊，它必須要表達出來。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:22.030000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:24.311000+08:00 |
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所以你基本上就是放任各個部會各自表述就對了。 |
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1 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:25.592000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:28.437000+08:00 |
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你覺得這樣子的資訊到處流傳會有什麼負面的影響？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:28.437000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:30.741000+08:00 |
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到最後如果出來的版本跟他們不一樣的時候，請問誰負責？ |
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0.875 |
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牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:30.741000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:36.432000+08:00 |
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這是不是就變成所謂的謠言跟假消息，會不會變這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:36.432000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:36.432000+08:00 |
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應該會吧？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:36.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:38.633000+08:00 |
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所以我才講…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:38.633000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:39.734000+08:00 |
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應該不會吧！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T12:39:40.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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2024-12-30T12:39:40.514000+08:00 |
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應該不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T12:39:40.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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2024-12-30T12:39:43.896000+08:00 |
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所以你的意思是行政院現在就是通令大家刪28%，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T12:39:43.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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2024-12-30T12:39:44.636000+08:00 |
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因為它面臨的是…… |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T12:39:44.937000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:55.443000+08:00 |
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因為你的版本都是刪28%，依財劃法，經濟部可以支配的，扣掉這些所謂人員費用，你們剛剛都算過很清楚了，28%就是300億嘛，國科會就是200億等等，就是這樣算的啊！因為…… |
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0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
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2024-12-30T12:39:55.963000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T12:40:02.507000+08:00 |
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我跟你講，今天如果你這個東西已經是確定的，我們現在正在進行預算審查，剛剛在內政委員會我問客委會，客委會跟我說沒有通令，我說如果你確定要刪28%，下午預算審查我們就開始處理，這樣你還少辦一個追減預算的程序，比較有效率，他說：不行、不行、不行，客家的預算我們當然希望所有的委員都支持跟信任。 |
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0.331 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:02.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T12:40:23.818000+08:00 |
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那請問我們審預算的時候到底是要刪還是不要刪呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:23.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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2024-12-30T12:40:34.431000+08:00 |
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我必須這樣跟委員報告，主計長剛剛報告裡面講的內容，就是我們預算審查的時候分成四個區塊，有一個區塊是不能動的，那是法律義務…… |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:34.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:36.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你不要再跟我講公式，我們都很清楚……對啊！ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:36.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:38.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我現在只問你是不是全部通令要刪28%？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:38.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:38.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
是或不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:40.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:45.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
因為1兆3,000億裡面必須要減少三千七百多億的…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:45.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:48.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
你算出來的結論就是每個部會要刪28%，是或不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:49.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:51.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
你現在是不是要求大家都減28%嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:51.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:54.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
如果等比例刪減的話，就是要刪28%。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:54.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T12:40:56.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
對，那要不要等比例刪減？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T12:40:56.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:03.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我現在是問你這個問題，因為你對外的訊息是要等比例刪減，可是在這裡答詢的時候又講不用等比例刪減，到底是要還是不要？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:04.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:10.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
政府機關在不同的場合講不一樣的話，政令左搖右擺不是一件好事。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:10.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:17.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
因為財劃法修正的影響是3,753億，這些確定是要從支出裡面去處理的。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:19.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:19.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
確定要從支出裡面處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:20.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:20.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
不一定吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:21.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:26.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
剛剛有講到超徵，如果真的有所謂的超徵，你辦追加預算是不是大家的問題通通都解決了？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:27.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:34.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
財政部的報告很明顯地告訴我們，前面十幾年裡面有6年超徵、有7年是短徵，不是每年都超徵啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:35.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:41.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我們現在討論114年就好，你需要一點時間來做，我只講這是其中的一種方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:41.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-12-30T12:41:49.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我們剛剛問你，你說如果要用全部撙節，你現在的方案跟版本也沒出來，但是奇怪的消息到處流竄，你本來就有管理不善的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-12-30T12:41:50.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:06.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我希望行政院趕快把話講清楚，既然你今天講大家希望還是以支持114年總預算為原則，立法院也覺得通情達理，也願意尊重，大家就好好來做處理，但是請問你要用什麼樣的方式去避免這樣亂七八糟的謠言繼續產生？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:06.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:07.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
你有沒有一個明確的做法？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:10.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:14.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我覺得各部會受到衝擊的時候，它也必須要表達出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:15.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:20.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
如果你說這是行政院通令它要表達，我覺得那是另外一套邏輯，我也不是不能接受，但你講沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:21.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:27.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
你不能玩兩面手法，一下講它可以自己表達、一下又講我沒有這樣命令，我跟你講這樣政府公信力會受影響。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:27.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:30.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
好，我最後一個問題了，不好意思，耽誤一點時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:30.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:36.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
現在各部會要盤點計畫型補助，也許會改變分配比例或什麼各式各樣的方法，有哪一些是你的檢討原則？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:36.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:38.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
哪一些項目是你優先要減列的對象？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:39.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:40.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
各縣市減少比例會是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:40.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-12-30T12:42:41.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
請問你什麼時候會把這個版本算出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-12-30T12:42:42.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:01.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我們要看到的是這個東西，如果有，然後再講衝擊，大家可以接受，縣市政府如果要用新增的統籌分配款來補也有理有據；可是你完全沒有，就是這種概括性的，也不是中央政策的數字卻到處亂跑，我是很懷疑行政院螺絲掉滿地，這些計畫什麼時候可以給大家一個答案？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.991 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:02.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:04.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
這個部分主計長正在處理…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:05.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:06.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
正在處理要有時間表啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:06.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:07.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
我問時間表，我知道你在處理啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:08.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:10.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
那個可能要讓主計長來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:11.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:12.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
讓他來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:13.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:15.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
有問跟沒問一樣，實在是喔！好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
牛委員煦庭 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:15.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:22.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
沒關係，反正行政院秘書長這個禮拜四還會來內政委員會，希望他該來的時候要來，好不好？謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:22.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:25.146429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
謝謝牛煦庭委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:25.446429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:32.303571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
接著我們請洪孟楷委員，洪孟楷、洪孟楷，洪孟楷委員不在場。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:32.603571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:35.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
王義川委員改提書面。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:35.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:40.332143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐，鄭正鈐不在場。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-12-30T12:43:40.632143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-12-30T12:43:42.346429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
請葉元之委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |