| IVOD_ID |
158522 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158522 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T12:09:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T12:22:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0b90e01457d4315e94f10c035d50fc6485ada2b19569a09cc4b664da36d5803b25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:09:57 - 12:22:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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財政部莊部長陳主計長李富密 |
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委員好兩位部長還有副秘書長今天這個專案報告的題目就叫做行政院表示因財劃法修正114年度總預算須重編這個題目是召委定的還是行政院自己說的 |
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是行政院發言人說的,對嗎?是,也就是說這個東西叫做是放話還是要挾? |
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沒有放話沒有要挾那她要講這個幹嘛我想在今天的三份報告裡面都很明確所以是騙人的還是嚇人的來副秘書長你回答我是騙人還是嚇人 |
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是放話還是要脅?他講完之後的幾天你們行政院有澄清過嗎?有像今天這樣說明過嗎?有嗎?有沒有?今天不來財政委員會這句話還是要脅還是放話吧?是嗎? |
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所以我們的發言人可以衝著這樣子這麼不負責任的說預算要重編請問財劃法哪一條叫你們重編立法院哪一個人叫你們重編從頭到尾沒有這回事 |
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第二個 這個案子在相關今年2月1號本新國會成立之後我們就跟財政部講財劃法我們修訂了而且我們會提案對吧部長版本早就提出來了而且要你們在上個會期告訴你們下個會期提出來請你們提版本不提 |
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我們不是不提,而是我們認為要進一步在座討論因為起標的部分我們也沒有後續要討論的你們的版本就是最好的版本你們的版本就是不要再提版本這次你們在吵的東西有兩個我們民眾黨的版本很清楚第一個,我們非常忠信我們去計算你們的稅收稅率的剩餘大概2000多億不到3000億第二個,我們給你們很大的彈性是用分配委員會 |
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第三個我們在這次修法修正動議的時候我們講得很清楚條文施行的日期我們給你們一年以後但是民進黨團支持民眾黨的版本現在在鬼扯這些都是我們版本裡面就提出來的 |
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我們希望用分配委員會讓財政部繼續保有調節的功能第二個有關施行的日期我們認為一年之後施行可以民眾黨團從頭到尾就非常的理性民進黨團寧可不同民眾黨的版本也要挑釁立法院然後現在在說我要重編施行日期有問題我要重編 |
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所以部長不要再告訴我們說你們不知道相關的內容了這樣的行為就叫做放話就叫做要挾 |
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另外主計處你們的報告裡面寫說要刪掉八項八大項的預算28%影響然後要有7000多億請問你現在釋出的是幾千億3000多億不是嗎你為什麼要砍到7000多億 |
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明明是三千多億的你說要砍七千多億不是放話不是要寫是什麼你現在告訴我受影響我們釋出你們三千多億結果你告訴我你為什麼七千多億受影響哪門值得受影響有一照三裡面三減百分之二十八主計長我問得簡簡單我們釋出三千多億請問你憑什麼說你影響到七千多億你告訴我答案 |
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最嚴重的是再講一次 |
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我們說地方自治的事項,你們一直在說事權請問,副秘書長,你們現在研究出哪些事權的法條要修正嗎?地方自治法、稅法通則還是相關的法規,你們盤點出來了沒?哪些法要修? |
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這個部分目前還在處理中還在處理中所以從頭到尾行政院都沒有因應立法院在財政收支劃分法已經進到委員會進到黨團協商進到月長協商你們從來沒有討論過是嗎?從來沒有討論過你市局要怎麼修是嗎? |
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現在才要處理我告訴你這個法我修得很神氣我們一直跟財政部說你說的事權請你說出來請你拿出來我們一起幫你修法 |
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一整年都不講半句話現在告訴我說我現在在處理第二個這個法裡面很重要一件事情事權為什麼要分清楚因為中央就是拼命的去舉債弄了潛在預算來搶地方政府該做的事 |
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做什麼事?第一個新建停車場、捷運建設、水環靜置水、觀光建設、公有建築物的耐震改善還有重鋪道路這都是地方該做的事你們寧可把權跟錢都放在中央用一個前瞻建設去舉債來幫地方做地方該做的事不給地方錢該做他本來就該做的事把錢全部搶在中央幹什麼?做什麼?我告訴你答案 |
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中央來做聖誕老公公啊中央來補助地方的時候都是我給你的啊立法委員就說啊我去中央爭取了多少預算所以你要全票投給我執政黨啊更嚴重的是有一些補助款直接發給民眾的部分裡面的存摺直接寫行政院發啊行政院發才是重點啊綁裝啊地方政府的財劃法去綁裝真正在綁裝的是中央政府而且綁得很嚴重 |
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再講一遍該地方做的不做不給他錢做現在潛在預算就是你們搶的地方的事情來做我們只是把該交給地方的權利交給他該地方做的事情交給他現在變好了我們幫你們把中央的錢搶到你什麼事情都不能做了國光獎金不能發了國防預算不能買了不要鬼扯不要放話不要要挾 |
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最後一個：副秘書長現在接下去行政院在研究哪些事權要修正OK啊那你們在研究復議的理由了嗎還是公投的理由還是涉嫌的理由 |
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也在準備?還是什麼時候要做?因為我們還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文所以目前是內部研議中總統府說他們一定會公布按照程序就是要復議復議就是要送立法院復議的理由還有公民投票的理由還有憲法訴訟的申請我想都是行政院現在正在做的對吧?對 |
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第二個我要的是如果你們真的講一直很認真的在講事權請你告訴我也準備好你們正打算修的地方相關的稅法或者是地方制度法哪些文件哪些條文要修的也麻煩請你一併在一個禮拜之內告訴我你們會修哪些可以嗎可以 |
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更嚴重的是現在的問題是主計長上次有說因為我們怕給地方很多錢所以地方會亂花主計長我們的主計是不是主計一條邊我們是不是所有的地方主計人員都是由中央指派的是請問你們的主計人員在地方政府是死人嗎亂花錢是你的責任還是地方政府的責任 |
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什麼叫做給錢給地方政府亂花錢那主計處、審計部全部是死人是嗎現在是這樣就是說事前第一個你該分到地方沒有分到地方沒有錯地方主計處就是把關者地方的主計人員就是把關者你怕什麼你們該負的責任現在推給說地方會亂花錢所以我主計處不同意主計長啊你們是中央政府還有地方政府預算的把關者 |
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我們的主計長講出這種話真是笑死天下人更嚴重的是財政部現在我們現在釋出的是3000多億今年超徵多少億 |
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今年真正的數據要等到12月底過完以後大概5000億吧那是全國全國來說上看是這麼多然後中央也多出了3000多億嘛所以不要再說會影響到中央的正式運作我同意但是我們現在要做的是事權要統一我同意趕快修法 |
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第二個這個法案通過了他就是有效的法律請你們依法行政最重要的是不要再把該地方做的事情中央搶著去做該給他的事權就好好地給他事權現在地方為了配合你們的前瞻預算是去取債炒地皮賣地來配合你們的自籌款這才是問題最嚴重的是你們用計畫性補助假要求地方政府配合中央的財源 |
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這不健康 這非常不健康要求地方政府炒地賣地然後配合自籌款才能夠得到你的計劃性補助款這樣的行為很不健康一直都是這樣計劃性補助款就是這樣所以我們希望 |
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財政收支劃分法分得很清楚我們處理的是中央統籌分配稅一般性補助款讓他合情合理名目相符第二個我們不希望中央在以任何的理由用 |
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特別預算用錢債預算這種舉債的方式去搶中央去搶地方本來就會做的事然後不要逼著地方去賣地炒地配合你們的自籌款這三件事情最重要就是請副秘書長一個禮拜之內給我你們要修哪些法要怎麼修請告訴我們你們修的狀況跟進度跟接下去你們要做的處置可以嗎副秘書長好要回答麥克風沒有聽到你的聲音 |
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一個禮拜我希望看到財政部、主計處跟副秘書長你們承諾這句話如果不是騙人、不是要挾、不是放話就清楚地表達你們的態度而不是今天隨便口頭說說行政院發言人蔣王這句話已經很久了沒有人出來說啊如果今天早晚沒有排這個報告全國的人民都認為我們要重編預算喔那我們現在在審預算是白癡嗎? |
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第2個講出這些話之後今天才有你們來說明這不是很可笑嗎一個中央政府的發言人可以隨便如此隨便的說這麼嚴峻的事情第3個如果真的要提復議就正面來不要在後面放話以上 |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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我想請財政部、主計長及副秘書長。 |
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主席 |
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莊部長、陳主計長、李副秘。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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委員好。 |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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部長、主計長、副秘書長。 |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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今天這個專案報告的題目就叫做「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」，這個題目是召委訂的，還是行政院自己說的？ |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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就我們…… |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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是行政院發言人說的，對嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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行政院發言人的全文，我想剛剛副秘書長已經有把它念過。是。 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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他沒有說一定重編。 |
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黃委員珊珊 |
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也就是說，這個東西是放話，還是要脅？ |
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0.933 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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2024-12-30T12:10:46.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:01.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
那一天…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:01.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:02.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
沒有放話、沒有要脅？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:02.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:03.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
那他講這個幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:03.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:06.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我想在今天三份報告裡面都很明確，114年總預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:06.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:08.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
所以是騙人的，還是嚇人的？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:08.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:09.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
114年總預算其實行政院籌編，已經送立法院審議，沒有要重編。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:09.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:10.317000+08:00 |
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來，副秘書長，你回答我，是騙人，還是嚇人？其實…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:18.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:20.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
是放話，還是要脅？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:20.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:21.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
我們後來發現他的原意只是表達，因為沒有明定施行日期…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:20.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:23.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
他講完之後的幾天，你們行政院有澄清過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:23.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:24.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
有像今天這樣說明過嗎？有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:24.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:24.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:24.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:25.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
今天不來財政委員會，這句話還是要脅、還是放話吧！是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:25.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:30.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
他的原意應該也沒有要脅、也沒有要放話。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:30.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:34.914000+08:00 |
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所以行政院院長不知道他這個話的意思是不是要脅、是不是放話？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:34.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:39.517000+08:00 |
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因為他只是對這件事情表達憂心，因為衝擊真的很大。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:39.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:41.619000+08:00 |
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所以我們的發言人可以衝著這樣子，這麼不負責任地說預算要重編，請問財劃法哪一條叫你們重編？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:41.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:42.339000+08:00 |
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立法院哪一個人叫你們重編？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-12-30T12:11:42.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-12-30T12:11:42.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
從頭到尾沒有這回事！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:03.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:13.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
第二個，這個案子在今年2月1號新國會成立之後，我們就跟財政部講，財劃法我們修定了，而且我們會提案！對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:14.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:16.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
部長，版本早就提出來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:16.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:18.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我了解，委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:18.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:22.986000+08:00 |
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而且在上個會期告訴你們，下個會期要提出來，請你們提版本，不提，而且民眾黨的版本…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:23.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:31.793000+08:00 |
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我們不是不提，而是我們認為要進一步再做討論，因為指標的部分，我們已經有共識，但是還有後續要討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:31.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:34.756000+08:00 |
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好，部長，不用再講，過去大家都知道你們講的是什麼，你們的版本就是最好的版本，你們的版本就是不要再提版本。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:35.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-12-30T12:12:56.571000+08:00 |
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這次你們在吵的東西有兩個，我們民眾黨的版本很清楚，第一個，我們非常中性，我們去計算你們歲出、歲入的賸餘大概兩千多億，不到三千億；第二個，我們給你們很大的彈性，是用分配委員會；第三個，我們在這次修法修正動議的時候，我們講得很清楚，條文施行的日期，我們給你們一年以後。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-12-30T12:12:58.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:09.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
但是民進黨團不支持民眾黨的版本，現在再來鬼扯，這些都是我們版本裡面就提出來的，我們希望用分配委員會讓財政部繼續保有調節的功能。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:10.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:28.169000+08:00 |
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第二個，有關施行的日期，我們認為一年之後施行可以，民眾黨團從頭到尾就非常地理性，民進黨團寧可不投民眾黨的版本，也要挑釁立法院，然後現在再說我要重編，施行日期有問題，我要重編，修法的時候，你們怎麼不投票呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:28.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:29.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你們財政部有沒有告訴民進黨黨團，民眾黨的版本是一年之後再施行呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:29.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:30.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
有沒有人要投我們一個贊成票呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:30.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:31.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒有耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:30.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:32.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
所以部長，不要再告訴我們你們不知道相關的內容，這樣的行為就叫做放話！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:32.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:32.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
就叫做要脅！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:49.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:58.795000+08:00 |
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另外，主計總處的報告裡面寫要刪掉八大項的預算，28%影響，然後要有七千多億，請問你現在釋出的是幾千億？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:58.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-12-30T12:13:59.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
三千多億，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-30T12:13:59.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:00.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
你為什麼要砍到七千多億？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:07.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:11.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
明明是三千多億，你說要砍七千多億，不是放話、不是要脅，是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:11.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:11.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你現在告訴我！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:11.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:12.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
那是受影響的項目，總共要刪減28%。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:11.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:14.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
受影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:14.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:18.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們釋出你們三千多億，結果你告訴我有七千多億受影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:18.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:20.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
哪門子的受影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:20.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:22.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
有一兆三裡面刪減28%，是這樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:24.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:31.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
主計長，我問的很簡單，我們釋出三千多億，請問你憑什麼說影響到七千多億？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:31.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:32.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你告訴我答案！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:32.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:33.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這是影響的項目。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:33.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:34.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
影響的項目，但是金額呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:34.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:35.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
金額刪減百分之…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:35.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:36.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
金額是3,000還是7,000？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:36.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:37.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這個數學很簡單吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:37.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:38.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
有需要在那邊說謊嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:38.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:39.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
3,753，然後一兆三刪減28%，所以受影響的項目…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:39.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-30T12:14:40.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
所以你就用比例算，釋出三千多億，影響七千多億，這是騙小孩子嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-30T12:14:33.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:07.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
最嚴重的是，再講一次，我們說地方自治的事項，你們一直在說事權，請問副秘書長，你們現在研究出哪些事權的法條要修正嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:07.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:11.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
地方自治法、稅法通則，還是相關的法規？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:11.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:13.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你們盤點出來了沒？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:14.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:14.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
哪些法要修？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:16.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:17.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這個部分目前還在處理中。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:18.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:18.769000+08:00 |
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還在處理中？對。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:19.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:27.136000+08:00 |
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所以從頭到尾，行政院都沒有因應立法院在財政收支劃分法已經進到委員會、進到黨團協商、進到院長協商，你們從來沒有討論過，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:27.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:28.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
從來沒有討論過事權要怎麼修，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:35.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:35.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
現在才要處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:35.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:37.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
這個部分的事權，是因為財政收支劃分法新修正以後才來的…… |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:37.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:51.656000+08:00 |
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我告訴你，這個法我修得很生氣，我們一直跟財政部說，你說的事權，請你說出來，請你拿出來，我們一起幫你修法，結果你一整年都不講半句話，現在告訴我，現在在處理！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:52.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-30T12:15:57.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
第二個，這個法裡面很重要的一件事情，事權為什麼要分清楚？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T12:15:57.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:05.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
因為中央就是拼命地去舉債，弄了前瞻預算來搶地方政府該做的事，做什麼事？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:06.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:28.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
第一個興建停車場、捷運建設、水環境治水、觀光建設、公有建築物的耐震改善，還有重鋪道路，這都是地方該做的事，你們寧可把權跟錢都放在中央，用一個前瞻建設去舉債來幫地方做地方該做的事，不給地方錢做它本來就該做的事，把錢全部搶在中央幹什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:28.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:29.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:29.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:33.236000+08:00 |
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我告訴你答案，中央來做聖誕老公公啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:34.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:50.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
中央來補助地方的時候都是我給你的，立法委員就說，我去中央爭取了多少預算，所以你要全票投給我執政黨，更嚴重的是，有一些補助款直接發給民眾的部分，裡面的存摺直接寫行政院發，「行政院發」才是重點啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:51.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:51.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
綁樁啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:53.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-12-30T12:16:57.630000+08:00 |
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地方政府的財劃法去綁樁，真正在綁樁的是中央政府，而且綁得很嚴重！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-12-30T12:16:58.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:24.876000+08:00 |
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再講一遍，該地方做的不做、不給它錢做，現在前瞻預算就是你們搶了地方的事情來做，我們只是把該交給地方的權力交給它，該地方做的事情交給它，現在變好了，我們幫你們把中央的錢搶到，你什麼事情都不能做了，國光獎金不能發了、國防預算不能買了，不要鬼扯、不要放話、不要要脅！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:26.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:33.613000+08:00 |
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最後一個，副秘書長，接下來行政院在研究哪些事權要修正，OK啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:34.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:37.177000+08:00 |
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你們在研究覆議的理由了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:37.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:37.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
還是公投的理由？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:38.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:39.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
還是釋憲的理由？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:40.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:41.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
也在準備？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:41.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:42.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
還是什麼時候要做？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:43.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:47.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
因為我們還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文，所以目前是內部研議中。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:48.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-12-30T12:17:54.455000+08:00 |
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總統府說他們一定會公布，按照程序就是要覆議，覆議就是要送立法院。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-12-30T12:17:55.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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2024-12-30T12:18:02.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
覆議的理由還有公民投票的理由還有憲法訴訟的聲請，我想都是行政院現在正在做的，對吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:03.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:22.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
第二個我要的是，如果你們一直很認真地在講事權，請你告訴我，也準備好你們正打算修的地方相關稅法或地方制度法，哪些文件、哪些條文要修的，也麻煩請你一併在一個禮拜之內告訴我你們會修哪些，可以嗎？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.989 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:24.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:33.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
更嚴重的是，現在的問題是主計長上次有說因為你們怕給地方很多錢，所以地方會亂花。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:34.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:38.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
主計長，我們的主計是不是主計一條鞭？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:40.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:43.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
是不是所有的地方主計人員都是由中央指派的？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:44.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:49.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
是，請問你們的主計人員在地方政府是死人嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:49.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-12-30T12:18:52.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
亂花錢是你的責任，還是地方政府的責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-12-30T12:18:54.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:01.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
什麼叫做錢給地方政府會亂花錢，那主計處、審計部全部是死人，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:01.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:06.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
現在是這樣，事權，第一個，你該分到地方沒有分到地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:07.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:07.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:07.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:08.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
那地方財源會太多…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:07.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:09.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
地方主計處就是把關者。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:09.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:10.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
但是它財源太多…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:10.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:13.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
地方的主計人員就是把關者，你怕什麼！ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:13.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:17.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
你們該負的責任，現在推給地方說會亂花錢，所以主計總處不同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:17.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:26.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
主計長，你們是中央政府還有地方政府預算的把關者，我們的主計長講出這種話，真是笑死天下人！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:27.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:35.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
更嚴重的是財政部，我們現在釋出的是三千多億，今年超徵多少億？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:36.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:40.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
今年真正的數據要等到12月底過完以後，大概1月中…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:40.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:40.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
大概五千億吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:41.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:44.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
那是全國，全國來說上看是這麼多，事實上我們也都不知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:44.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:46.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
中央也多徵了三千多億嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:46.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:47.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
也跟委員報告，全國的稅收裡面給地方的…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:46.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:48.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
所以不要再說會影響到中央的正式運作。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:48.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:49.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
中央的部分屬於中央統籌分配稅款，依然是要劃給地方，是沒有錯的，但是中央的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-12-30T12:19:48.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-12-30T12:19:51.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
我同意，但是我們現在要做的是事權要統一，我同意趕快修法。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:03.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:22.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
第二個，這個法案通過了，它就是有效的法律，請你們依法行政，最重要的是，不要再把該地方做的事情，中央搶著去做，該給它的事權就好好地給它事權，現在地方為了配合你們的前瞻預算，是去舉債、炒地皮、賣地來配合你們的自籌款，這才是問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:22.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:23.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
前瞻是一個基礎建設，對於地方的發展是有幫助的，而且中央也有支付經費，我想前瞻的成果大家是有目共睹。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:22.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:33.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
最嚴重的是，你們用計畫型補助款要求地方政府配合中央的財源，這不健康、這非常不健康。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:34.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
要求地方政府炒地、賣地，然後配合自籌款，才能夠得到你的計畫型補助款…… |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:40.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我們沒有要求地方炒地、賣地。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
這樣的行為很不健康！ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:40.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
沒有這樣的情形。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:39.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:40.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
一直都是這樣，計畫型補助款就是這樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:40.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-12-30T12:20:41.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
計畫型補助款是有它的特定計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-12-30T12:20:40.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-12-30T12:21:16.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
所以我們希望財政收支劃分法分得很清楚，我們處理的是中央統籌分配稅一般性補助款，讓它合情合理、名目相符；第二個，我們不希望中央再以任何的理由，用特別預算、用前瞻預算這種舉債的方式，去搶地方本來就會做的事，然後不要逼著地方去賣地、炒地，配合你們的自籌款。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-12-30T12:21:16.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-12-30T12:21:29.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
這三件事情，最重要就是請副秘書長一個禮拜之內給我，包括你們要修哪些法、要怎麼修，請告訴我們你們修的狀況、進度跟接下來要做的處置，可以嗎，副秘書長？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-12-30T12:21:29.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-12-30T12:21:29.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
「好」要回答，麥克風沒有聽到你的聲音。可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-12-30T12:21:35.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-12-30T12:21:50.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
一個禮拜，我希望看到財政部、主計處跟副秘書長你們的承諾，這句話如果不是騙人、不是要脅、不是放話，就清楚地表達你們的態度，而不是今天隨便口頭說說。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-12-30T12:21:50.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:00.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
行政院發言人講完這句話已經很久了，沒有人出來說，如果今天召委沒有排這個報告，全國的人民都認為我們要重編預算，那我們現在在審預算是白癡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2024-12-30T12:22:02.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:08.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
第二個，講出這些話之後，今天才由你們來說明，這不是很可笑嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2024-12-30T12:22:08.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:13.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
一個中央政府的發言人可以如此隨便地說這麼嚴峻的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
黃委員珊珊 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2024-12-30T12:22:14.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:18.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
第三個，如果真的要提覆議，就正面來，不要在後面放話，以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2024-12-30T12:22:19.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:21.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
謝謝黃珊珊委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
主席（黃委員珊珊代） |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2024-12-30T12:22:21.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2024-12-30T12:22:24.165429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
下一位請陳玉珍委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0 |