| IVOD_ID |
158511 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158511 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T11:21:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T11:30:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0b4d30174e358905e4f10c035d50fc648d9c2d0a04e685e49b237660b68eba81e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:08 - 11:30:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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特別感謝主席跟我發言次序我們要邀請財政部主計處跟行政院李富密 行政院李富密委員好 三位好我們首先來請教財劃法 |
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達到25年沒有修：歷任的總統：歷任的首長都親自說我們地方很窮我們希望財劃法終於經過25年在立法院三讀通過從原本的6比4一直到動審 |
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75比25的財政比例動審之後動審的預算直接到中央來單位也歸到中央來但是有很多的業務還是放在地方所以這個情況產生75%中央25%財政地方所以地方非常的辛苦才會導致所有立院的總統 |
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以及現任的總統當時在擔任首長的時候都提聲吶喊財劃法務必要修所以在現在情況之下我們修完了之後是65跟35所以本期要特別的請教在前幾天行政院長說他願意要跟地方來協處所以首先請教 |
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要跟地方政府來協處的內容是什麼?請教,三位請發言。來,副秘書長。來,一位一位說。請教,行政院長要跟地方協處的是什麼?什麼內容?跟委員報告,那因為這次財法修正只分錢,沒有分業務了。請問什麼內容?請針對議題回答。所以跟地方政府要協處的部分是事權分工的原則啊? |
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市權分工,是嗎?市權分工那動審之後有很多的業務中央沒有接回來地方在做啊 |
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主計長 |
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他協助是要協助什麼內容也是事權的一個部分事權報告一下就是當初75裡面15裡面有11是屬於省政府的業務那其他剩下4.3的部分是屬於地方那你現在把15的部分的收入全部在歸地方那省政府的業務的部分很多大部分都留在中央包括全民健保包括老農津貼包括 |
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直轄市的老龍今天就已經回歸到直轄市來了啦你現在是主計長啊接下來我要告訴你的是什麼呢因為我們還有新增很多業務啊比如說你國立台中一中現在改為市立台中一中 |
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以台中市為主我們有17家的學校這次新增一樣也編列在地方政府所以你現在我請教來主計長我請教現在我們的行政院長說要跟地方協處是協處事務分權分工是不是是這個方向嗎財政部長請問 |
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院長我們告訴你說到底他要協處的是什麼內容跟委員報告財政收支劃分法第一個就是本來正常來說是事權先做劃分然後再做支出的劃分現在支出已經劃分了那勢必要回到事權去做劃分所以他現在主要你們三位回答的都是事權劃分嘛主要的協調內容是這個是不是應該是應該是好來就這個所以本席要請教 |
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地方歷任的首長、歷任的總統、現任的總統在這25年的過程都說財政收支花文法必須要修必須要修所以我也希望行政院長我也肯定你終於在這25年在修法的過程你也不提版本然後也不跟地方來協處 |
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等到終於通過25年沒修終於通過之後我也肯定終於聽到民意必須要協處我也希望這個溝通能夠讓我們人民讓地方政府它能夠執行得了這個是非常的重要因為政府是一體的 對不對好 所以本席要請教主計處第二預備金是政府應急錢是人民的救命錢 對不對 |
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對!這個是編列在你的第二預備金,這一稅金都是人民的納稅錢,是人民的救命錢啊!隨時動之第二預備金的重點!但是本席告訴你,本席告訴你喔! |
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也就是113年你的第二預備金動資的情況你寫了警察大學新設系所注音代表處管社換租替代役訓練經費保二總隊擴編轉型少年保護管訓計劃這些這些本來就是應該編列在這個年度的預算的項目啊 |
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那你現在放在第二預備金你行政院大筆一揮全部由第二預備金全部由第二預備金去支應所以更離譜的是什麼主計長111年議政署已辦公室搬遷及 |
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整修為由申請預備金多少申請第二預備金1647萬結果99.62%保留到次年度來使用可以如此嗎第二個國發會 |
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以辦理公共檔案庫房移動式的這個檔案櫃為由來申請第二預備金630萬結果是什麼?主計長結果是什麼?結果是100%流用到次年度來用所以主計長你非常的專業跟精準啊你聽到這樣子你認為呢? |
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主席長你你是專業的 |
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的那像這樣的一個情況百分之一百百分之九十九點六這個本來這一些項目在你剛剛報告的三大類別裡頭他這兩項本來就應當是列在他的項目啊預算項目啊對不對他沒有事件上趕得及啦所以這個部分才會才會要那你認為這樣子的情況動用第二預備金是人民的救命錢 |
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是緊急迫切需要的但是你給我本席一個理由說他因為沒有趕在五月所以不行李明在不行你怎麼可以會核准呢對不對你怎麼會動用到第二億北京的項目呢所以本席要請教民主技術要怎麼樣去督導 |
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這種事情不要再發生我們人民的納稅錢我們人民的救命錢對不對怎麼可以如此百分之一百趕快大家來申請你行政院大筆一揮就全部納到第二預備金裡頭去 |
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你覺得這個空間不管是時間還是你的向下有沒有改進的空間需不需要去調整請教是我們盡量來檢討然後也嚴加督促就是說你如果有動資第二預備金第一個就是應該要加緊辦理第二個就是有關不是很必要的我們就放到下一年度的一個預算來辦理本來就是應該如此嘛給你錢你沒有辦法用 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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謝謝主席，特別感謝主席跟我換發言次序。 |
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我們要邀請財政部、主計總處跟行政院。 |
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請陳主計長、李副秘及部長。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-12-30T11:21:24.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-12-30T11:21:24.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
三位好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-12-30T11:21:24.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:40.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我們首先來請教財劃法達到25年沒有修，歷任的總統、歷任的首長都親自說我們地方很窮，希望財劃法修法，終於經過25年在立法院三讀通過，從原本的6比4，一直到凍省75比25的財政比例，在凍省之後，凍省的預算直接到中央來、單位也歸到中央來，但是有很多的業務還是放在地方，所以這個情況產生財政75%中央、25%地方，地方非常地辛苦，才會導致所有歷任的總統以及現任的總統當時在擔任首長的時候，都齊聲吶喊財劃法務必要修，所以在這樣的情況之下，我們修完了之後是65%跟35%。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:43.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:56.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
本席要特別請教，前幾天行政院長說他願意跟地方協處，首先請教要跟地方政府來協處的內容是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:56.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:56.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
三位請答復。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:56.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:57.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
來，副秘書長，請一位、一位說明，請教行政院長要跟地方協處的是什麼內容？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:58.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:58.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
跟委員報告，因為這次財劃法修正只分錢，沒有分業務，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:59.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:59.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
請問什麼內容？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:59.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-12-30T11:22:59.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
請針對議題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-12-30T11:22:59.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:00.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
所以跟地方政府要協處的部分是事權分工原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:25.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:26.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
事權分工，是嗎？對！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:26.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:27.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
當精省的部分，業務中央接回來，這些部分錢又從這邊下去了以後，中央原來接的那些業務，是不是也需要…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.047 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:27.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:28.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
凍省之後有很多的業務，中央沒有接回來，也是地方在做啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:28.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:30.623833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
預算也編在那裡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:30.623833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:33.135667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那一部分的錢也下去了…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:33.135667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:35.647500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那這怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:35.647500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:38.159333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
所以你現在告訴我的是，行政院長要跟地方協處的是事務分工，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:38.159333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:40.671167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
事務分工。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:40.671167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-12-30T11:23:43.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
好，事務分工，你請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-12-30T11:23:43.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:00.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
請主計長，他協處是要協處什麼內容？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:01.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:04.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
也是事權的一個部分……事權？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:04.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:24.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我再報告一下，當初75%裡面，15裡面有11是屬於省政府業務，其他剩下4.3的部分是屬於地方，現在把15部分的收入全部再歸地方，省政府業務的部分大部分都留在中央，包括全民健保、包括老農津貼、包括國立高中職…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:26.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:29.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
直轄市的老農津貼就已經回歸到直轄市來了啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:29.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:30.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
那只有直轄市，縣市沒有回歸。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:30.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:32.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
你現在是主計長啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:32.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:33.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
縣市沒有回歸。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:33.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:35.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
接下來我要告訴你的是什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:36.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:53.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
因為我們還有新增很多業務，比如說，國立臺中一中現在改為市立臺中一中，以臺中市為主，我們有17家的學校，這是新增的，一樣也編列在地方政府，所以你現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:53.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-12-30T11:24:54.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
報告委員，這部分有計畫型補助…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-12-30T11:24:53.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:05.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我請教主計長，現在我們的行政院長說要跟地方協處，是協處事務分權分工，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:05.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:05.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是這個方向嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:05.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:12.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
財政部長，請問院長有沒有告訴你，到底他要協處的是什麼內容啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:13.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:21.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
跟委員報告，財政收支劃分法，第一個，本來正常來說是事權先做劃分，再做支出的劃分…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:21.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:22.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
請針對本席的提問。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:21.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:24.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
現在支出已經劃分了，勢必要回到事權去做劃分，剛剛行政院跟主計總處…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:25.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:28.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以現在你們三位回答的主要都是事權劃分嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:28.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
因為支出劃分了。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:28.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
主要的協調內容是這個，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
應該是。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
應該是，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-12-30T11:25:29.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-12-30T11:26:22.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
所以本席要請教，地方歷任的首長、歷任的總統及現任的總統，在這25年的過程都說財政收支劃分法必須要修，所以我也希望行政院長，我也肯定你終於……在這25年修法的過程，你不提版本，也不跟地方來協處，經過25年沒修，等到終於通過之後，我也肯定你終於聽到民意，必須要協處，我希望這個溝通能夠讓我們人民、讓地方政府能夠執行得了，這個是非常地重要，因為政府是一體的，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-12-30T11:26:22.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-12-30T11:26:31.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
好，所以本席要請教主計總處，第二預備金是政府應急錢、是人民的救命錢，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-30T11:26:31.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-12-30T11:26:32.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
預備金動支的要件：第一個，原來計畫有修正；第二個，原來計畫增加數量；第三個就是新增計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-30T11:26:32.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:26:33.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這三個條件符合了，就可以動支第二預備金。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.053 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-30T11:26:32.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-12-30T11:27:33.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這個是編列在你的第二預備金，這些稅金都是人民的納稅錢、是人民的救命錢，隨時動支第二預備金有這些重點，但是本席告訴你，也就是113年第二預備金動支的情況，你寫了警察大學新設系所、駐英代表處館舍換租、替代役訓練經費、保二總隊擴編轉型、少年保護管束計畫等，這些本來就是應該編列在年度預算的項目，你現在放在第二預備金，行政院大筆一揮，全部由第二預備金去支應。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-30T11:27:33.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-30T11:27:35.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
主計長，所以更離譜的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-30T11:27:37.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-12-30T11:27:44.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
111年役政署以辦公室搬遷及整修為由，申請預備金多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-30T11:27:45.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-12-30T11:27:47.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
申請第二預備金1,647萬，結果99.62%保留到次年度來使用，可以如此嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-30T11:27:47.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:12.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
第二個，國發會以辦理公共檔案庫房移動式的檔案櫃為由來申請第二預備金630萬，主計長，結果是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:12.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:14.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
結果是100%留用到次年度來用。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:16.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:21.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
主計長，你非常地專業跟精準，你聽到這樣子，你認為呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:21.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:22.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們原則上是希望儘量不要保留，但是這個部分，這個預算大概是錯過了我們預算的編列，因為我們預算是5月開始籌編，然後到8月，如果它的計畫核定未趕在預算編列之前，它以後就必須要動支二備金。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:22.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:23.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
而二備金動支的條件，第一個就是它有修正計畫，第二個它原來計畫有增加數量，第三個它新增計畫…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:22.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:22.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
主計長，你是專業的。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:22.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-12-30T11:28:54.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
剛剛本席還告訴你，你是精準的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-30T11:28:54.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:10.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
像這樣的情況，100%、99.6%，以這些項目來講，在你剛剛報告的三大類別裡，這兩項本來就應當是列在它的預算項目，對不對？所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.82 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:10.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:12.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
它時間上沒有趕得及啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:12.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:14.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以這個部分才會要動用二備金。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:14.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:27.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你認為這樣子的情況，動用第二預備金是人民的救命錢，是緊急、迫切需要的，但是你給本席的理由是因為它沒有趕在5月，所以不行。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:28.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:30.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
你明知道不行，你怎麼可以核准呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:31.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:32.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:32.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:35.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你怎麼會動用到第二預備金的項目呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:35.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:36.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
它符合第二預備金動支的要件。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:36.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:43.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
所以本席要請教你，主計總處要怎麼樣去督導，讓這種事情不要再發生？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:43.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:44.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
是，我們是…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:44.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:49.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這是我們人民的納稅錢、我們人民的救命錢，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:49.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T11:29:57.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
怎麼可以如此，100%，大家趕快來申請，你行政院大筆一揮，就全部納到第二預備金裡頭去？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T11:29:59.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:08.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你覺得這個空間，不管是時間還是你的項下，有沒有改進的空間，需不需要去調整？請教。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:09.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:24.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
是，我們儘量來檢討，然後也嚴加督促，就是如果有動支第二預備金，第一個就是應該要加緊辦理；第二個就是有關不是很必要的，我們就放到下一年度的預算來辦理，以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:24.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:25.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
本來就是應該如此嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:26.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:28.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
給你錢，你沒有辦法用，人家要錢，沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:28.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:29.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
政府不可以如此的，尤其預備金真的是人民的救命錢，緊急迫切需要的，不可以如此，所以我希望你檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:29.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:30.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
請你把你精進方案的書面資料一份給本席，不能這樣隨意就大筆一揮都到第二預備金去，這是人民的救命錢啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:28.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:46.045667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-30T11:30:46.545667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-12-30T11:30:49.402810+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
接著我們請伍麗華委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |