| IVOD_ID | 158509 | 
        
        | IVOD_URL | https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158509 | 
        
        | 日期 | 2024-12-30 | 
        
        | 會議資料.會議代碼 | 委員會-11-2-15-19 | 
        
        | 會議資料.會議代碼:str | 第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 | 
        
        | 會議資料.屆 | 11 | 
        
        | 會議資料.會期 | 2 | 
        
        | 會議資料.會次 | 19 | 
        
        | 會議資料.種類 | 委員會 | 
        
        | 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] | 15 | 
        
        | 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] | 內政委員會 | 
        
        | 會議資料.標題 | 第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 | 
        
        | 影片種類 | Clip | 
        
        | 開始時間 | 2024-12-30T11:12:10+08:00 | 
        
        | 結束時間 | 2024-12-30T11:20:36+08:00 | 
        
        | 影片長度 | 00:08:26 | 
        
        | 支援功能[0] | ai-transcript | 
        
        | video_url | https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0e75107a9e7c79d377ba98e9ef8f04f2cd9c2d0a04e685e492b651861cc72ae2f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 | 
        
        | 委員名稱 | 牛煦庭 | 
        
        | 委員發言時間 | 11:12:10 - 11:20:36 | 
        
        | 會議時間 | 2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 | 
        
        | 會議名稱 | 立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年度預算書案。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬單位預算。
【本次會議時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣。】) | 
        
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        | transcript.whisperx[0].text | 12月24日,您到苗栗縣公館客家文學花園移轉營運儀式上,針對財化法的修法發表聲明。我把它逐字來念。財化法修正通過之後,所有的預算要減掉28%。客委會補助全台的經費都會受到影響。新的案子沒有辦法補助。舊的案子,像客家花園這個案子的工程部分,有可能會延遲付款。 | 
        
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        | transcript.whisperx[1].text | 全臺灣的案子不只是客家花園,這個有超過200個客語班會無法開班。另外每一個縣市鄉鎮的活動獎勵金,像苗栗厚隆的補助都會減少。還有苗栗縣政府所提的民德水庫景觀以及自行車道建置等大型案子都無法支持。財化法造成立即性的影響很大,希望苗栗縣政府自行補足案子的經費缺口。你是這樣說的對不對?是,是這樣說的。 | 
        
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        | transcript.whisperx[2].text | 我們就從這個你剛剛說的說法來延伸我們的一些問題第一個從剛剛你講的這個12月24號你講的這些話裡面可以得到幾個狀況第一個財務法通過你知道所有的預算都要減少28%因為你說所有的預算要減28%這個數字非常精準這個是你自己算出來得到的結論還是你收到行政院的命令 | 
        
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        | transcript.whisperx[3].text | 所以才28%?我的問題是你剛剛講說這是因為3000多億等等算出來的結果我的問題是這是你自己算的還是行政院命令你算的? | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[4].start | 96.856 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[4].end | 119.604 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[4].text | 我希望我們都有一個方法就是一個地律在整體內的所以你一個普遍感受的參讀就是這樣的我要問這個問題的原因是因為到底你要節省出3000多億的經費轉給地方這是個事實但是怎麼樣移轉不一定是說通通用有一種方法是大家一起減少 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[5].start | 120.464 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[5].end | 147.892 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[5].text | 一定的比例這是一種方法有一種是有一些部會相對來講業務可能沒有那麼重要他刪多一點也許客家的預算根本不會被動對不對請問行政院現在有決定用哪一種方法嗎目前正在合盲天我們在用我們的退股的方式來算我們的輸入影響的比例所以是你自己算的沒有行政院的指揮嘛對不對也還沒有決定嘛對不對沒錯沒錯你們是自己算的嗎沒錯沒錯 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[6].start | 149.624 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[6].end | 175.405 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[6].text | 二、從你剛剛講的這裡面可以得到新的案子沒辦法補助表示計劃型補助的預算會大幅刪減然後你甚至包含舊的已經核定的案子你都有可能會刪減而導致延宕然後你還有講說這個200個客家班會沒辦法開班所以編載這次預算第四幕客家語言發展的經費7億多其中2億多是要全部刪掉嘛對不對然後再來你從你這個裡面講看起來苗栗很慘嘛因為 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[7].start | 176.386 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[7].end | 176.786 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[7].text | 最後一個喔? | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[8].start | 199.842 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[8].end | 222.905 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[8].text | 從你剛剛這一段言論裡面可以得知的就是說這個減劣的計畫也就是說3減28%的這個計畫在114年就會執行可是剛剛我們講的這幾個問題就是從你那個那天講的話裡面延伸出來的可是跟現實上好像有很大的落差我現在先問你第一個問題如果按照你自己算的要減劣28%那我們是不是下午審預算的時候我們就直接把它減劣掉你贊成這樣的做法嗎 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[9].start | 223.365 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[9].end | 226.747 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[9].text | 二、審查財團法人財政委員會第11屆第2會期內政委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查財團法人財政委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[10].start | 247.301 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[10].end | 272.666 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[10].text | 還是要為客委員會預算來捍衛所以你還是希望可以盡量來通過對不對我們不要去影響客家的補助跟建設嘛拜託嘛你現在又拜託我好那這樣就很奇怪嘛你如果今天又希望說大家這個預算不要剪裂事實上剛剛很多委員也提到了不管是行政院、主計總署、財政部他們現在財政委員會質詢他們都講114年總預算要趕快來通過換言之行政院已經講得很清楚沒有要從編的計畫嘛也沒有要剪裂的一個狀況嘛對不對 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[11].start | 274.446 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[11].end | 289.577 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[11].text | 那不簡略對不對是大的原則希望預算通過是你今天講的那你在苗栗那天的說法是不是造謠?呃不是因爲裁判法立法院已經通過了啊通過了就會遭人也要嘗試行啊那價值我們都都會前提齁那價值真是這樣會發會輸到的影響那個買的我們就要先講先幹要選出來要本他自己了解要都會試試啦 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[12].start | 300.506 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[12].end | 324.274 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[12].text | 主委阿你講的話是會被媒體報導的是會引起鄉親恐慌的為什麼我們可以在地方行程的時候講一套阿今天你在這邊答詢的時候你又變出另外一套為什麼兩套說法沒有同時存在阿我沒有兩套喔我那一套喔主委說他要出罪因為立法院已經通過他的私生阿那個價值針對他要三千兩億不好意思喔主委 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[13].start | 325.314 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[13].end | 338.028 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[13].text | 你如果是一套說法的話那你是不是在那邊就講說程序上會發生這樣的事情你如果是這樣講那大家沒有意見但我們還是希望預算過關然後你在苗栗的時候你這樣講你今天回答質詢的時候你也這樣講大家不會有問題啊可是問題是 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[14].start | 340.43 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[14].end | 344.273 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[14].text | 您在這邊就講說現在還有一些程序上的問題所以還要等結果所以希望我們不要去見諒 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[15].start | 358.208 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[15].end | 371.88 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[15].text | 在所有的新聞媒體的揭露上面可不會幫你寫這麼多前提條件啊那你今天要不要在今天的質詢結束之後趕快發一個正式的澄清跟說明啊還是要按照預算的正常編列程序跟法規的執行之後再做定奪是不是要這樣講我現在還是要做詳細論但是我們立法院通過財發法也會實施啦所以我們建議這樣我們就提供我們自動的影響然後通客家來報告 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[16].start | 385.912 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[16].end | 406.622 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[16].text | 我現在要提醒你的就是說如果你明明知道這個有一定的行政程序預算的追加追減也有一定的程序那你就應該在公開的場合講一樣的程序如果你真的已經收到行政院的命令或者是你自己要自我尊潔你已經做好這樣的準備那你今天來這裡備詢的時候你就要講我們哪些計畫要處理今天我們就把它簡列 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[17].start | 407.242 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[17].end | 420.086 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[17].text | 那也是一種做法但至少不管是這兩種的哪一種對外對內都是一致的可是你不能對外講的一副很恐怖的樣子對內又講我們要尋程去預算還要照編這就是雙標這就是造謠你對外沒有講一樣的話啊你對外的說法就是要刪減28%你對外的說法是200多個客羽盤沒辦法開那是不是預算要刪掉 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[18].start | 433.109 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[18].end | 437.472 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[18].text | 財務法通過之後事權一定要調整我想你那天講的也是希望說如果真的有缺口 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[19].start | 450.441 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[19].end | 478.282 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[19].text | 希望縣市政府用多的統籌分配管來處理沒錯沒錯沒錯但是你為什麼要為什麼前後要不一致呢?如果還沒有確定是不能亂講欸你現在是主委欸現在是主委講出來的話大家都很關心欸是會造成客庄鄉親的恐慌啦本期強烈的建議啦今天在答詢結束之後趕快去媒體那邊把話重新的講清楚要按照程序按照等等經過審慎的討論之後再行調整把你前面的話收回來 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[20].start | 479.082 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[20].end | 506.264 | 
        
        | transcript.whisperx[20].text | 要不然我們下午預算我會不知道怎麼審啦因為你一下說要刪一下又說不要刪那到底要不要刪會不會遇到這個問題嘛對不對希望主委審慎為之啦在對外講的話不要有其他政治帶風向的意圖我提醒你到這裡啦剩下我們下午預算再講好謝謝好感謝委員來上晚兩位搜電堂欸谷主委你今天打選的時候一直講說假使怎麼樣假使怎麼樣我不知道那個翻譯的有沒有讓所有委員聽到 |