| IVOD_ID |
158505 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158505 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T10:41:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T10:55:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0df9178f749bcfc8b4f10c035d50fc64849d0b5afa0c2001b2beb4618946eee9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:41:46 - 10:55:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席。我請我們主計長、財政部長、還有我們的副秘書長。好,三位長官。 |
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根據今天的專題報告還有之前來做答詢都說財劃法修法之後那麼明年的總預算並沒有要重編對不對 |
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我想請問在12月23號行政院召開記者會你看那個大大的標題為什麼我們今天會有這麼多的討論就是當天行政院你們兩位不來參加我們財委會的會議 |
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得到當時郭國文召委的同意跑到行政院大張旗鼓的召開記者會結果大家幾乎媒體的標題都是嚴重衝擊明年總預算可能需要重編那到後來大家就說到底誰說的 |
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那部長說我沒說主計長也說我沒說當然副秘書長也說我沒有說誰說的呢是行政院的發言人李慧芝好他說的所以我想請問三位長官你們當天哪一位跟李慧芝說這個明年的總預算可能需要重編哪一位說的哪一位去跟他講的來部長你有沒有跟他說這個是沒有沒有好主計長 |
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李國興副秘書長這不就羅生門嗎? |
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行政院召開記者會何等重大如果我們的財主單位包含我們的副秘書長都沒有告訴我們的行政院發言人說會讓明年的總預算要重編為什麼他在記者會上膽敢提到說可能需要重編 |
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這不是假訊息嗎?行政院發言人搞半天是釋放假訊息,擾亂政府,擾亂預算秩序的最主要的罪魁禍首不是嗎? |
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所以我要特別講財主單位我們看到那個記者會他這個發言人站在中間好不威風你們財主兩大首長站在他旁邊你們兩個是soga嗎?你們兩個是人行利牌嗎?為什麼這麼重大的事情竟然可以有一個行政院的發言人胡說八道搞到我們今天還在討論這件事情 |
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所以今天我確定了三位都沒有跟他講這個事他憑什麼講他懂嗎不懂總預算在那邊胡說八道行政院的這一場記者會荒腔走板釋放假訊息擾亂政府擾亂預算的秩序該當何罪龔秘書長啊 |
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請問一下： |
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我們後來通過了三法那麼民進黨把它稱之為所謂的三大惡法包含選罷法、限訴法跟財劃法我們現在很得到確切的消息限訴法、行政院已經決定向立法院提復議所以我想請問副秘書長 |
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請問一下財劃法會跟立法院提復議嗎?跟委員報告那行政院目前還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文那收到以後呢我們會在憲政賦予的權利下用合法的秩序下尋求各種救濟的程序所以你們有可能提復議案是的好那你們有沒有可能提釋憲 |
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這個部分也在研議中也在研議中除了釋憲也可能提暫時處分嗎?這個部分倒沒有聽講比較沒有討論到但是復議案跟釋憲都有提到 |
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討論到都在演繹中演繹中所以我覺得我們部會首長我同不同意是一回事但是你們到底事實是如何非常重要所以我剛才講那個行政院的記者會簡直是真的是很離譜然後這個發言人竟然在那邊毫髮無傷聞風不動 |
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愛亂講就亂講這是絕對不能夠接受的我想先請李副秘書長先回座我請部長跟主計長因為在財劃法通過之後黃偉哲也是一個釋放假信息胡說八道的一個習政首長他竟然說北部吃肉南部喝湯 |
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王偉哲完全不懂財劃法完全沒有去用功去研讀財劃法通過之後或通過之前 |
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那麼各縣市所拿到的所拿到的不管是統籌款或者補助款我們一直在談財劃法事上除了統籌款部分財劃法這次修正的第30條有一個非常重要的就是補助款不能低於前一年度的補助款這個我看到我們主計處報告裡面也提到對不對我們可以看到如果統籌款加補助款 |
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整個加計之後所以你不要一直在看統籌款還有補助款嗎?財劃法還有補助款嗎?黃偉哲你是看不懂字看不懂法是不是?立法委員都白做了好 我們可以看到以六都來說總計統籌款加補助款第一名是新北市第二名就是高雄市所以請問一下有什麼 |
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北部吃肉南部喝湯呢?蛤?高雄市那個不是肉嗎?第二名都還不是肉那其他人是怎麼?吃雞骨頭嗎? |
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所以這邊一定要以正視聽事實上過去在補助款的部分我們談過很多次在補助款的部分南部的縣市事實上一直拿的蠻多的好另外看右邊我這個一定要去做一些澄清還要以正視聽剛才立法院委員離開 |
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他剛才特別提到不只要幫台南喊冤還要幫其他南部縣市來喊冤我跟大家報告這個很清楚嘛我這個不會錯誤啦我們整個修法之後沒錯六都增加了是1719億增幅60%但是很重要的在六都之外的其他縣市政府 |
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增加1956億．比六都增加的金額還要多．絕對數金額更多．增幅達到1.7倍．170%．所以我們這次的修法．不是只是去有利於六都而已．其他六都的其他縣市．他們才是財政狀況比較差的縣市．所以這次也照顧到了． |
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我跟大家可以講就是可以報告這個數字事實上你們行政院也曾經提供過以修法之後平東增加多少增加147.8億嘉義縣增加120億雲林縣增加149億如果再看彰化彰化增加181億 |
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好,所以我要講這些縣市事實上是像雲林他連他的人事支出統籌款是都不夠的他的人事支出還要來求爺爺告奶奶的但是在這一次修法之後一半以上財源給非六都財政狀況比較差的縣市 |
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說短城鄉差距這支財劃法很重要除了去平衡中央跟地方還有地方之間它也有很大的一個城鄉差距這很重要好來我們再看一下來第二頁我們也看再下一頁因為時間有限 |
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我們可以看這個是一個知名財政專家的論文上面講稅收集中中央,中央集權又集錢,形成地方政府有責務權這是知名的財政專家的論文再來 |
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來看在地方財政裡面以台南市財政最為沉重然後在後面這幾行說因為台南市財政惡化景氣低迷稅收多少但是呢在精選之後財劃法一直未真完善致補助款減少中央投手款分配比例不均等等因素特別提到幫台南市喊冤因為財劃法沒有修正再來 |
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第二項財劃法修正之後現世自有財源可以增加實際上把原來屬於地方稅的營業稅全數歸中央而原屬省負擔的緊正支柱要移轉給現世負擔現世財政問題未獲解決反而加劇惡化這個都是在檢討財劃法為什麼都不修正中央集權造成地方財政一再的惡化 |
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那這些都是誰說的呢?來來主計長這些都是誰說的?誰的論文啊?那我問一下這個論文是誰的啊? |
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698.586 |
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這個我們就要期問要共欣賞好的著作你比很多根本都沒有論文或者論文亂抄的人好很多這就是我們主計長的論文 |
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711.96 |
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731.52 |
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這就是我們現在站在台上主計長的論文所以我要講財劃法修正是長期以來各財政各領域學者產官學大家一致的呼籲為什麼到現在修了財劃法突然它變成惡法了呢還要去釋憲還要來提復義 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
735.183 |
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755.684 |
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不通嘛唯一就是換了位置換了腦袋唯一就換了位置換了腦袋所以我還是希望不管部長也好或者主計長也好能夠本於就是你們過去的一個支持跟原來你們的信仰能夠來去正視這個財劃法 |
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757.105 |
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772.574 |
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另外因為時間有限我其中有一個部分就是你們說要把那個一些業務應該移撥到地方我看到行政院跟主計處的報告裡面都有提到所以這個部分是不是可以在一個禮拜之內 |
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773.835 |
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796.461 |
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能夠用書面的就是你們可能要修一些法嘛對不對地方制度法等等之類然後要談到就是地方中央地方政府之間業務之間要怎麼樣去做一波或者是調整請因為這個只有一句話我實在看不懂你在寫什麼所以可以請一個禮拜之內 |
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798.262 |
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請這應該支出是屬於主計處的業務主計處可不可以給我們財委會一個比較詳細一點的報告因為這個涉及到相關的法定比如說老農津貼他就是農產部長我剛才有聽到你回答賴會員委員因為有一些要修法有一些可以不用修法對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
817.893 |
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817.993 |
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王鴻薇委員 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:48.096000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:48.297000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:48.997000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:49.377000+08:00 |
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我請主計長。 |
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0.4 |
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主席 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:53.401000+08:00 |
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陳主計長。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-12-30T10:41:53.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-12-30T10:41:55.422000+08:00 |
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財政部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-12-30T10:41:55.422000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-12-30T10:41:56.422000+08:00 |
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莊部長。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-12-30T10:41:55.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-12-30T10:41:57.384000+08:00 |
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還有副秘書長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-12-30T10:41:57.384000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T10:41:58.404000+08:00 |
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行政院李副秘。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-12-30T10:41:58.404000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T10:42:21.921000+08:00 |
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三位長官，根據今天的專題報告，還有之前來答詢，都說財劃法修法之後，明年的總預算並沒有要重編，對不對？是吧？ |
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0.957 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-12-30T10:42:21.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-12-30T10:42:24.024500+08:00 |
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是，我們今天的報告…… |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-12-30T10:42:24.024500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-12-30T10:42:26.128000+08:00 |
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好，我只要確定這件事情。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-12-30T10:42:26.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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2024-12-30T10:42:40.582000+08:00 |
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我想請問，在12月23號行政院召開記者會，你看那個大大的標題，為什麼我們今天會有這麼多的討論？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-12-30T10:42:40.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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2024-12-30T10:43:00.073000+08:00 |
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就是當天你們兩位不來參加我們財委會的會議，得到當時郭國文召委的同意，跑到行政院大張旗鼓的召開記者會，結果幾乎媒體的標題都是「嚴重衝擊！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:00.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:03.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
明年總預算可能需要重編」。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:03.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:12.360000+08:00 |
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後來大家就問到底誰說的，部長說我沒說、主計長也說我沒說，當然副秘書長也說我沒有說！ |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:12.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:12.500000+08:00 |
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誰說的呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:13.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:17.361000+08:00 |
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是行政院發言人李慧芝他說的。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:18.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:26.643000+08:00 |
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所以我想請問三位長官，你們當天哪一位跟李慧芝說，明年的總預算可能需要重編？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:26.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:27.224000+08:00 |
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哪一位說的？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:28.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:28.464000+08:00 |
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哪一位去跟他講的？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:28.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:28.944000+08:00 |
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來，部長，你有沒有跟他說這個事？沒有。 |
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0.933 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:28.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:29.084000+08:00 |
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好，主計長？沒有。沒有！ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:38.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:39.983000+08:00 |
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好，請問一下，李國興副秘書長？沒有。 |
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0.5 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:39.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:40.983000+08:00 |
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都沒有！ |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:39.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-12-30T10:43:40.183000+08:00 |
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好，這不就羅生門嗎？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-12-30T10:43:49.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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2024-12-30T10:44:09.659000+08:00 |
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行政院召開記者會何等重大，如果我們的財主單位，包含我們的副秘書長，都沒有告訴我們的行政院發言人，會讓明年的總預算要重編，為什麼他在記者會上膽敢提到可能需要重編？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:10.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:11.781000+08:00 |
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這不是假訊息嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:11.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:21.679000+08:00 |
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行政院發言人搞半天是釋放假訊息、擾亂政府、擾亂預算秩序的最主要罪魁禍首，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:23.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:31.168000+08:00 |
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所以我要特別講，財主單位，我們看到那個記者會，發言人站在中間好不威風！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:31.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:36.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你們財主兩大首長站在他旁邊，你們兩個是塑膠嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:36.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:40.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
你們兩個是人形立牌嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:40.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:46.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
為什麼這麼重大的事情竟然可以由一個行政院的發言人胡說八道？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:47.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:48.198000+08:00 |
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搞到我們今天還在討論這件事情！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:51.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:52.907000+08:00 |
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所以今天我確定啦！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:53.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:56.429000+08:00 |
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三位都沒有跟他講這個事，他憑什麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:56.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-12-30T10:44:58.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
他懂嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-12-30T10:44:58.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-12-30T10:45:13.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
不懂總預算在那邊胡說八道，行政院的這一場記者會荒腔走板、釋放假訊息、擾亂政府、擾亂預算的秩序，該當何罪？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-12-30T10:45:13.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-12-30T10:45:16.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
副秘書長，你應該立刻去跟卓院長報告，這個發言人應該被立刻撤換，怎麼可以胡說八道到這種程度呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-12-30T10:45:16.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:06.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
另外也請教副秘書長，請問一下我們後來通過了三法，民進黨把它稱之為所謂的三大惡法，包含選罷法、憲訴法跟財劃法，我們現在得到確切的消息，憲訴法，行政院已經決定向立法院提覆議，所以我想請問副秘書長，請問財劃法會跟立法院提覆議嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:06.241000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T10:46:12.445000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，行政院目前還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文，那收到以後…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:12.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:13.486000+08:00 |
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收到之後？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:13.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:18.809000+08:00 |
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我們會在憲政賦予的權力下，用合法的秩序尋求各種救濟的程序。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:19.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:23.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
所以你們有可能提覆議案？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:24.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:26.193000+08:00 |
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好，那你們有沒有可能提釋憲？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:29.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:30.154000+08:00 |
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這個部分也在研議中。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:30.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.598000+08:00 |
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也在研議中，除了釋憲也可能提暫時處分嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
這個部分倒沒有聽到。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.858000+08:00 |
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比較沒有討論到？對。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:33.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:45.470000+08:00 |
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但是覆議案跟釋憲都有提到、討論到？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:45.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:46.670000+08:00 |
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都在研議中。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:47.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-12-30T10:46:47.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
研議中。 |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-30T10:46:48.891000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T10:47:18.641000+08:00 |
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我覺得部會首長，我同不同意是一回事，但是到底事實是如何非常重要，所以我剛剛講那個行政院的記者會，真的是很離譜，這個發言人竟然在那邊毫髮無傷、文風不動，愛亂講就亂講，這是絕對不能夠接受的，好，請李副秘書長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-30T10:47:20.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-30T10:47:23.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
請部長跟主計長。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-12-30T10:47:23.643000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-30T10:47:58.594000+08:00 |
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因為在財劃法通過之後，黃偉哲也是釋放假訊息、胡說八道的行政首長，他竟然說北部吃肉，南部喝湯，黃偉哲完全不懂財劃法、完全沒有用功去研讀財劃法通過之後或通過之前，各縣市所拿到的不管是統籌款或補助款。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-30T10:47:59.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:11.044000+08:00 |
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我們一直在談財劃法，事實上除了統籌款部分，財劃法這次修正的第三十條有一個非常重要的，就是補助款不能低於前一年度的補助款，我看到主計總處報告裡面也提到，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:11.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:24.054000+08:00 |
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我們可以看到如果統籌款加補助款，所以你不要一直看統籌款，財劃法還有補助款嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:25.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:28.076000+08:00 |
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黃偉哲你是看不懂字、看不懂法，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:28.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:30.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
立法委員都白做了！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:31.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:48.907000+08:00 |
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我們可以看到以六都來說，總計統籌款加補助款，第1名是新北市、第2名就是高雄市，所以請問一下，有什麼北部吃肉、南部喝湯呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:51.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:52.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
高雄市那個不是肉嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:52.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:57.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
第2名都還不是肉，那其他人是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:57.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-12-30T10:48:57.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
吃雞骨頭嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T10:48:58.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-30T10:49:26.686000+08:00 |
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所以這邊一定要以正視聽，事實上過去在補助款的部分我們談過很多次，在補助款的部分，南部的縣市事實上一直拿的蠻多的；好，另外看右邊簡報，我一定要去做澄清、還要以正視聽，賴惠員委員已經離開，他剛剛特別提到不只要幫臺南喊冤，還要幫其他南部縣市來喊冤。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T10:49:27.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-12-30T10:49:30.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我跟大家報告，這個很清楚、我這個不會錯誤啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T10:49:30.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-30T10:49:31.148000+08:00 |
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我們整個修法之後，沒錯！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-30T10:49:31.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-12-30T10:50:30.419000+08:00 |
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六都增加了1,719億、增幅60%，但是很重要的，在六都之外的其他縣市政府增加1,956億，比六都增加的金額還要多，絕對數金額更多，增幅達到1.7倍、170%，所以這次的修法不只是有利於六都而已，非六都的其他縣市才是財政狀況比較差的縣市，所以這次也照顧到了，我可以跟大家報告，這個數字事實上行政院也曾經提供過，修法之後屏東增加多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T10:50:31.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-30T10:51:23.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
增加147.8億，嘉義縣增加120億、雲林縣增加149億，彰化增加181億，所以我要講這些縣市事實上，像雲林連它的人事支出，統籌款都不夠，它的人事支出還要來求爺爺告奶奶的，但是在這一次修法之後，1倍以上財源給非六都財政狀況比較差的縣市，縮短城鄉差距，這次財劃法很重要，除了去平衡中央跟地方，還有地方之間也有很大的城鄉差距，這很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T10:51:26.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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2024-12-30T10:52:46.394000+08:00 |
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我們再看下一頁簡報，因為時間有限，我們也看這是某知名財政專家的論文講，稅收集中於中央，中央集權又集錢，形成地方政府有責無權，這是知名財政專家的論文；再來看，在地方財政裡面，以臺南市財政最為沉重，在後面這幾行說，因為臺南市財政惡化、景氣低迷，什麼稅收多少，但是在精省之後，財劃法一直未臻完善，致補助款減少、中央統籌款分配比例不均等等因素，特別提到幫臺南市喊冤，因為財劃法沒有修正，再來也看到第二行，財劃法修正之後，縣市自有財源可以增加，實際上把原來屬於地方稅之營業稅全數歸中央，而原屬省負擔的警政支出又移轉給縣市負擔，縣市財政的問題未獲解決反而加劇惡化。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T10:52:47.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T10:52:55.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這個都是在檢討財劃法為什麼都不修正，中央集錢、集權造成地方財政一再的惡化。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T10:52:57.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-30T10:52:58.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
好，那這些都是誰說的呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:00.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:01.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
主計長，這些都是誰說的？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:01.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:01.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
誰的論文？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:01.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:02.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
委員，當初臺南市的時候，是薪水發不出來，它已經達到公債法的上限沒辦法舉債，所以日子過不下去，那時候我們當然是希望能夠修改財劃法。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.017 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:01.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:02.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
好，我問一下，這個論文是誰的？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:24.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:26.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們奇文要共欣賞啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:26.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T10:53:56.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好的著作，你比很多根本沒有論文或論文亂抄的人好很多，這就是我們主計長的論文，就是現在站在台上主計長的論文，所以我要講財劃法修正是長期以來各財政、各領域學者，產、官、學大家一致的呼籲，為什麼到現在修了財劃法，突然它變成惡法了呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T10:53:57.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-30T10:54:01.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
還要去釋憲，還要來提覆議，不通嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T10:54:02.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T10:54:21.664000+08:00 |
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唯一就是換了位置，換了腦袋，所以我還是希望，不管部長也好或主計長也好，能夠本於你們過去的支持跟原來的信仰，去正視這個財劃法。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-30T10:54:23.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-12-30T10:54:44.776000+08:00 |
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另外，因為時間有限，我其實有一個部分，就是你們說一些業務應該移撥到地方，我看到行政院跟主計總處的報告裡面都有提到，所以這個部分是不是可以在一個禮拜之內用書面，就是你們可能要修一些法，對不對？ |
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0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-12-30T10:54:44.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-12-30T10:54:53.999000+08:00 |
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什麼地方制度法等等之類，要談到中央、地方政府之間業務要怎麼樣去做移撥？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-12-30T10:54:54.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-12-30T10:54:55.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
或是調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-12-30T10:54:56.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:10.545000+08:00 |
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因為這個只有一句話，我實在是看不懂你們在寫什麼，這應該是屬於主計總處的業務，所以可不可以請主計總處在一個禮拜之內，給我們財委會一個比較詳細一點的報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.686 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:11.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:15.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
因為這個涉及到相關的法令，譬如說老農津貼就是農業部的…… |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:15.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:19.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
是，我剛才有聽到你回答賴惠員委員。 |
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0.867 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:19.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:23.393000+08:00 |
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因為有一些要修法，有一些可以不用修法，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:23.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T10:55:24.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
所以這個部分可不可以給我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:24.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:25.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
是，要修法，像全民健保法就要修法。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:25.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:26.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
瞭解啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:26.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:27.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
其實很多都是法定支出嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:27.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:28.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
所以這個部分請在一個禮拜之內，提供給我們財委會作參考，好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:23.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:23.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
謝謝王鴻薇委員。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:24.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:27.350143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
接著我們請李坤城委員。 |
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0 |