| IVOD_ID |
158505 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158505 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T10:41:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T10:55:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0df9178f749bcfc8b4f10c035d50fc64849d0b5afa0c2001b2beb4618946eee9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:41:46 - 10:55:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席。我請我們主計長、財政部長、還有我們的副秘書長。好,三位長官。 |
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根據今天的專題報告還有之前來做答詢都說財劃法修法之後那麼明年的總預算並沒有要重編對不對 |
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我想請問在12月23號行政院召開記者會你看那個大大的標題為什麼我們今天會有這麼多的討論就是當天行政院你們兩位不來參加我們財委會的會議 |
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得到當時郭國文召委的同意跑到行政院大張旗鼓的召開記者會結果大家幾乎媒體的標題都是嚴重衝擊明年總預算可能需要重編那到後來大家就說到底誰說的 |
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那部長說我沒說主計長也說我沒說當然副秘書長也說我沒有說誰說的呢是行政院的發言人李慧芝好他說的所以我想請問三位長官你們當天哪一位跟李慧芝說這個明年的總預算可能需要重編哪一位說的哪一位去跟他講的來部長你有沒有跟他說這個是沒有沒有好主計長 |
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李國興副秘書長這不就羅生門嗎? |
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行政院召開記者會何等重大如果我們的財主單位包含我們的副秘書長都沒有告訴我們的行政院發言人說會讓明年的總預算要重編為什麼他在記者會上膽敢提到說可能需要重編 |
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這不是假訊息嗎?行政院發言人搞半天是釋放假訊息,擾亂政府,擾亂預算秩序的最主要的罪魁禍首不是嗎? |
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所以我要特別講財主單位我們看到那個記者會他這個發言人站在中間好不威風你們財主兩大首長站在他旁邊你們兩個是soga嗎?你們兩個是人行利牌嗎?為什麼這麼重大的事情竟然可以有一個行政院的發言人胡說八道搞到我們今天還在討論這件事情 |
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所以今天我確定了三位都沒有跟他講這個事他憑什麼講他懂嗎不懂總預算在那邊胡說八道行政院的這一場記者會荒腔走板釋放假訊息擾亂政府擾亂預算的秩序該當何罪龔秘書長啊 |
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請問一下： |
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我們後來通過了三法那麼民進黨把它稱之為所謂的三大惡法包含選罷法、限訴法跟財劃法我們現在很得到確切的消息限訴法、行政院已經決定向立法院提復議所以我想請問副秘書長 |
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請問一下財劃法會跟立法院提復議嗎?跟委員報告那行政院目前還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文那收到以後呢我們會在憲政賦予的權利下用合法的秩序下尋求各種救濟的程序所以你們有可能提復議案是的好那你們有沒有可能提釋憲 |
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這個部分也在研議中也在研議中除了釋憲也可能提暫時處分嗎?這個部分倒沒有聽講比較沒有討論到但是復議案跟釋憲都有提到 |
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討論到都在演繹中演繹中所以我覺得我們部會首長我同不同意是一回事但是你們到底事實是如何非常重要所以我剛才講那個行政院的記者會簡直是真的是很離譜然後這個發言人竟然在那邊毫髮無傷聞風不動 |
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愛亂講就亂講這是絕對不能夠接受的我想先請李副秘書長先回座我請部長跟主計長因為在財劃法通過之後黃偉哲也是一個釋放假信息胡說八道的一個習政首長他竟然說北部吃肉南部喝湯 |
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王偉哲完全不懂財劃法完全沒有去用功去研讀財劃法通過之後或通過之前 |
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那麼各縣市所拿到的所拿到的不管是統籌款或者補助款我們一直在談財劃法事上除了統籌款部分財劃法這次修正的第30條有一個非常重要的就是補助款不能低於前一年度的補助款這個我看到我們主計處報告裡面也提到對不對我們可以看到如果統籌款加補助款 |
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整個加計之後所以你不要一直在看統籌款還有補助款嗎?財劃法還有補助款嗎?黃偉哲你是看不懂字看不懂法是不是?立法委員都白做了好 我們可以看到以六都來說總計統籌款加補助款第一名是新北市第二名就是高雄市所以請問一下有什麼 |
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北部吃肉南部喝湯呢?蛤?高雄市那個不是肉嗎?第二名都還不是肉那其他人是怎麼?吃雞骨頭嗎? |
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所以這邊一定要以正視聽事實上過去在補助款的部分我們談過很多次在補助款的部分南部的縣市事實上一直拿的蠻多的好另外看右邊我這個一定要去做一些澄清還要以正視聽剛才立法院委員離開 |
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他剛才特別提到不只要幫台南喊冤還要幫其他南部縣市來喊冤我跟大家報告這個很清楚嘛我這個不會錯誤啦我們整個修法之後沒錯六都增加了是1719億增幅60%但是很重要的在六都之外的其他縣市政府 |
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增加1956億．比六都增加的金額還要多．絕對數金額更多．增幅達到1.7倍．170%．所以我們這次的修法．不是只是去有利於六都而已．其他六都的其他縣市．他們才是財政狀況比較差的縣市．所以這次也照顧到了． |
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我跟大家可以講就是可以報告這個數字事實上你們行政院也曾經提供過以修法之後平東增加多少增加147.8億嘉義縣增加120億雲林縣增加149億如果再看彰化彰化增加181億 |
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好,所以我要講這些縣市事實上是像雲林他連他的人事支出統籌款是都不夠的他的人事支出還要來求爺爺告奶奶的但是在這一次修法之後一半以上財源給非六都財政狀況比較差的縣市 |
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說短城鄉差距這支財劃法很重要除了去平衡中央跟地方還有地方之間它也有很大的一個城鄉差距這很重要好來我們再看一下來第二頁我們也看再下一頁因為時間有限 |
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我們可以看這個是一個知名財政專家的論文上面講稅收集中中央,中央集權又集錢,形成地方政府有責務權這是知名的財政專家的論文再來 |
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來看在地方財政裡面以台南市財政最為沉重然後在後面這幾行說因為台南市財政惡化景氣低迷稅收多少但是呢在精選之後財劃法一直未真完善致補助款減少中央投手款分配比例不均等等因素特別提到幫台南市喊冤因為財劃法沒有修正再來 |
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第二項財劃法修正之後現世自有財源可以增加實際上把原來屬於地方稅的營業稅全數歸中央而原屬省負擔的緊正支柱要移轉給現世負擔現世財政問題未獲解決反而加劇惡化這個都是在檢討財劃法為什麼都不修正中央集權造成地方財政一再的惡化 |
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那這些都是誰說的呢?來來主計長這些都是誰說的?誰的論文啊?那我問一下這個論文是誰的啊? |
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這個我們就要期問要共欣賞好的著作你比很多根本都沒有論文或者論文亂抄的人好很多這就是我們主計長的論文 |
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這就是我們現在站在台上主計長的論文所以我要講財劃法修正是長期以來各財政各領域學者產官學大家一致的呼籲為什麼到現在修了財劃法突然它變成惡法了呢還要去釋憲還要來提復義 |
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不通嘛唯一就是換了位置換了腦袋唯一就換了位置換了腦袋所以我還是希望不管部長也好或者主計長也好能夠本於就是你們過去的一個支持跟原來你們的信仰能夠來去正視這個財劃法 |
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另外因為時間有限我其中有一個部分就是你們說要把那個一些業務應該移撥到地方我看到行政院跟主計處的報告裡面都有提到所以這個部分是不是可以在一個禮拜之內 |
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能夠用書面的就是你們可能要修一些法嘛對不對地方制度法等等之類然後要談到就是地方中央地方政府之間業務之間要怎麼樣去做一波或者是調整請因為這個只有一句話我實在看不懂你在寫什麼所以可以請一個禮拜之內 |
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請這應該支出是屬於主計處的業務主計處可不可以給我們財委會一個比較詳細一點的報告因為這個涉及到相關的法定比如說老農津貼他就是農產部長我剛才有聽到你回答賴會員委員因為有一些要修法有一些可以不用修法對不對 |
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王鴻薇委員 |