| IVOD_ID |
158488 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158488 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T09:48:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T10:02:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e03977f73fc32b20a84f10c035d50fc64849d0b5afa0c2001b63521e5656016d285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:08 - 10:02:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請行政院的副秘書長李副秘書長以及財政部長以及主計長陳主計長上位長官好我先請教行政院的長官副秘書長 |
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你們行政院發言人大聲講啊說預算要重編啊到底馬上過兩天就變成114年了要重編嗎?請問要重編嗎? |
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要重編嗎?根委員報告那據我們了解他的原意是對沒有明定施行日期所產生的嚴重衝擊表達憂心並不是要重編並沒有要重編你們要去更正啊到目前為止都沒有更正這一句話所以他的原意是這樣子所以沒有要重編不然我們在審什麼?審頭一天嗎?你們都重編了我們要審什麼? |
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不可以呼呼咧 大家呼呼咧啊然後你看喔 你們看喔 我不知道主計長在這裡面 啊 開始這樣 整個 整個台灣 整個中華民國的會社出口 |
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開始就規模 你看喔 行政院估計15個機關裝備受影響加起來 6300多億 還有修法以後公共建設受影響1200多億加起來7500多億 總管委只不過挖3700多億 怎麼你們列出來就7599億 來 主計長 你想要哪 |
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你嚇人你嚇人不是這樣嚇的啊嚇壞老百姓啊把臺灣老百姓都嚇死啊我們總共就是分給地方3753億結果你一天列就列7600億了你到底是什麼口惡老百姓喔 |
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你是恐嚇人家喔?主計長啊?你出來就恐嚇喔?我們是以3兆1、114年3兆1扣掉1兆8了就是1法律1剩下1兆3那1兆3裡面的各項計畫必須3減28%這樣所以各計畫影響第一個我們原則是平均3減因為我們還沒討論到底3減哪一個計畫所以我們必須詳細討論你到底討論沒有 |
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所以目前還沒有討論,但是要討論的時候就是目前一般性的通案3減28%,3753就要3減28%每一個計劃都要3減28%,這樣就7999的不對啊你總共就3700多億而已啊,你怎麼會變7999億啊,為什麼這樣子呢 |
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這個副秘書長你也當過副主席長啊 |
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你們這是報告給我看?總共一頁一張紙啊!有夠不負責任啦!對主席大不敬啦!對我們財務會大不敬啦!今天來講叫你說叫你提一個因應財劃法修正你們要需要重編是我要重編因為你們說重編結果你們總共就一頁然後跟有關係的只有在第三段寫了一下簡單來講就是不接受 |
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你這意思百萬文講就是不接受那個龔秘書長是不是這個意思不接受跟委員說明齁那再次的說明不接受是不是發言人原意是對未明定施行日期所會產生的嚴重衝擊表達憂心阿就是不接受嘛就是不接受嘛 |
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對嗎?你是不接受?我們是全國最高的民意機構通過的法律案然後你就一下子就草草的幾個字不接受,意思是不接受不接受好,我們來看那你們準備怎麼做?行政院準備怎麼做?要不要提復議?要不要?請問你?要不要提復議? |
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跟委員說明一下因為行政院還沒有收到那個財劃法修正的公文阿你真的講不接受啦那修到以後呢你都已經收到就不提是賦予對不對我們收到以後我們會在憲政賦予的權利之下那合法的秩序之下尋求各種你都知道賦予你絕對輸的阿阿所以再提示憲好重點在這裡 |
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我們是會循著合法的憲政程序來提各種問題 |
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現在來講如果你提示線那整個就是在pendinging阿這個等於3750起億就暫時的Pending在那裡如果再配合那個已經沒有法源的大法官的會議用8個9的大法官如果要把他解釋說暫時處分阿都互互攬摸一摸一喔就這個樣子喔 |
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那你要考慮一下喔現在預算還在審喔預算還在審喔 |
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因為剛剛主計長也說明過了那個是他們挑出來受影響的計畫那裡面的影響的金額的話約略會有28%受到影響並不是全部 |
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7,599億幫你通緝是這個樣子主計長你可以看 |
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請問你有沒有對各縣市的主計人員下達命令比如說台北市、台南市、高雄市這些主計人員說你們要配合修法有沒有做這個事有沒有有沒有下達命令 |
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我們目前只有做調查就是說曾家的財源縣市希望要做哪些的一個項目目前正在匯總當中 |
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我去問過幾個縣市了他們說錢只要下來他們馬上辦追加預算地方政府一點都沒有問題可以辦追加預算一聲立下辦追加預算問題都沒有問題 |
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所以我強烈的執意要講不要亂砍計劃心得不住要砍哪一些你剛講7599億這樣就亂嚇人我們來看來其實啊要調整的就可以調整啦台電郭志輝部長講了N次啊他可以借錢啊你為什麼給他追加預算一千億呢 |
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暫緩台電1000億的增資暫緩淺建2800億國安委員會已經講了分三期不要一次通過2800分三期900多暫緩以緩計期加起來就3000億了然後經濟部、數碼部亂補助一通加一加 |
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三千七百多億輕輕的都挖用不用心根本不是回到第一哪裡有這個東西你們就是用這個來恐嚇老百姓來整老百姓你看有租金補貼你看有掃紙畫你看有污水處理恐嚇老百姓 |
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發言委員． |
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﹏﹏ |
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我完全是政治鬥爭的語言喔我們要砍一砍去找可以找到錢不會影響民生的不會影響國防的對你怎麼影響一筆一揮哇通影響 |
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這個叫做隨便亂講就是用政治語言陳主計長原來我對你印象還不錯但是你提供這個表老實講讓我對你的評價腰斬腰斬啦你這個叫政治語言啦用政治語言嚇老百姓說你看通理印象齁燒紙貨印象齁自販印象齁物稅處理印象齁沒有立委看你這個東西啊 |
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681.994 |
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我剛講的回到我剛那一頁經濟部的2000億砍掉啦不要急啦因為他自己可以借錢啊他有辦法而且你還有稅基剩餘部長財政部長請問你今年稅基剩餘有多少稅基剩餘是在組總這邊來計算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
684.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
685.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
到現在為止114年呈現的是158億 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
700.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
727.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
一百一一四一百五十八一一三是七千多億但是七千多億這個部分那個部分是因為第一個我要支付三三千九百多億的一個那個預後的一個相關的金額那是特別預算還有一個就是我支應我今年一一四的五百億好五百億這個部分我去我支援一一四年度的預算還有一個我我有一個那個以前非營利事業的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
728.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
734.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
主計長我希望你把我這句話聽進去一開始大家認為主計是專業的你不要把他搞政治化你不要說七頭四肚通砍他十八哪裡有這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
748.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
771.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
每一個計劃都要討論當然我跟委員報告你減少結構性每一年都要減3753但是你這個部分我台電重視我台電減2000億也是今年度可以減我沒辦法每一年減2000億所以你這結構性3753每年要減的部分就造成影響所以這個部分我要跟委員特別說這個是一個資源分配的問題我們三讀同步的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
777.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
801.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
你按照一定的程序去救濟。如果到最後輸了,你還是要照序啊。你還是要想辦法啊。對不對?我剛剛說過了啊。不是所有的這些民生的去砍他嘛。我已經再強調一遍了。經濟部肥肉那麼多,亂補助。還要補助NVIDIA。NVIDIA有多少啊?幾兆美金啊?還稀罕你那麼一點點錢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
803.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
803.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
賴士葆賴士葆賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
832.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
849.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
最後一句話主計長對外面溝通不要用政治語言你列出來這個表就是政治語言這是政治鬥爭用的我對你今天的提出這個表表達非常強烈的不滿跟遺憾不要這樣子因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
850.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
850.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
謝謝賴司保委員 |