| IVOD_ID |
158473 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158473 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、司法及法制兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、司法及法制兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T09:16:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T09:25:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e03336a57d9d36be4883be44f6eda3de937c1494669c19844fea8a73a6fda787c85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林岱樺 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:59 - 09:25:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、司法及法制兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送公平交易委員會委員提名名單，李鎂續任委員並為主任委員、陳志民續任委員並為副主任委員、洪財隆續任委員，林慶堂為委員，請同意案。） |
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有請秘書長請稿秘書長那也請主委在旁邊秘書長今天你來我希望有一個契機如果你爬梳這個剛才的陳廷輝陳委員跟我本席在公平會主委的這邊的質詢你會發現到我們兩位 |
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這個都是主張就是剛才講的應該由報備制改為許可制這是第一個第二個我們也主張就是公平會在多層次傳銷這件事情應該改為經濟部來主管因為公平會的執掌打開來看白紙黑字寫得很清楚他是一個仲裁單位他有什麼樣的武器 |
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有什麼樣的政策、預算可以輔導一個要去經濟發展的產業? |
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所以公平會他其實是很他應該格局很大各個行業涉及這個不公平競爭涉及壟斷就是公平會來處理啊你看一個金管會兩個銀行要合併要來知會一下會一下公平會一個Wobber交通部跟Fupenda這麼大的一個案子交通部還要會他行不行啊 |
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你看他這樣子的一個是一個仲裁單位今天把一個多層次傳銷放在公平會我不曉得他一個經濟發展的工具在哪裡他只會更加弱化也就是剛才陳廷輝政委講的只會造就我們的多層次傳銷當中的詐騙這個一個層出不斷的發生 |
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那我不曉得我再講一個經濟部好了光是一個最傳統的經濟的手段講的評估產銷人發財一個經濟部這麼大的部會他有多少的預算跟人事是公平會的幾倍他就為了發展產業他的預算他的部門產業產銷人發財產品 |
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發展相關的策略人才產銷人發財財務他都還有一個中小企業處裡面還有一個信保基金啊 |
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你看到下面的法人多多去做政府的左右手去輔導產業一個公平會他怎麼可能去對一個產業多層次傳銷一個幾百億在國內有幾百億有二三十萬人口的從業人員去做管理他很執著公平會很執著那因為他已經曉到在整個經濟整個行政院當中沒有他的聲音所以他最大 |
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最大的部分反而會受你行政院的督導你現在國防部怎麼樣、教育部怎麼樣、經濟部怎麼樣你所有的政策一定要跟你行政院對接他曉到這個根本就是無形、空氣、沒人的差別所以他很大他聽不見我們這些資深的立委我們這些資深立委都是為本土 |
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的這個多層次傳銷在發言我們不是對那種國外的多層次傳銷的公司在台灣只不過是一個經理人在發聲公平委員完全是站在整個外商的立場對於本土一針一血一人一物都是來自台灣的企業人才的培訓然後他們都到國外去發展 |
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像這樣的一個產業生態我想這個今天秘書長來我一定要讓你清楚第二個除了部門組織之外第二個你覺得公平會做一個仲裁監理的單位他可以像經濟部一樣嗎我們的公務人員是可以要很密切的 |
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跟業界結合我們哪一個師長哪一個那個署長現任的署長、師長對於現在產業的所有的工協會不認識的 |
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你告訴我如果說哪一個工協會不認識而且還常常會徵詢他們的意見我們現在要簽這個相關的國外的這個區域經濟的契約你們產業是怎麼樣你們有沒有什麼困難一個COVID-19下去趕快打電話你們有需要什麼服務平常一個漲價物料的漲價經濟部就趕快的下去你們需要什麼資源 |
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而不像公平會說一個帳價我趕快查一下哪一個是哪一個是這個哪一個在囤貨齊貨可居光是一個帳價兩個單位的屬性都不一樣所以秘書長在這邊本席是主張在多層次傳銷你要不要重新啟動讓它回歸讓它給經濟部的這個商業司去處理您做個回應吧 |
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響鐘 |
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平估當然可以再重新再評估看看那當然就是說業務上的調整這個當然是行政院可以有一些想法不過如果以目前來講業務歸屬在公平會的話因為公平會是獨立機關他的內部怎麼樣做決定我們就比較比較沒有辦法去但是他沒有辦法做決定還有秘書長你知道他弱化到什麼程度所有打開行政院所有的委員會 |
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只有公平會主委說我這個委員制我什麼都不能做決定我尊重委員您做過國發會主委光是一個小到不行的僑委會主委那個講話的氣勢啊面對所有台商講話的氣勢啊農業部現在在農委會你看像我們的陸委會我們的主委 |
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副主委講的話只有公平會主委說我們這件事情我們交給委員會處理委員會怎麼決定他弱化到這種程度你覺得他你剛才講的我們這個產業給他管會有什麼未來嗎現在的這些的績效全部都是本土產業自己打下了天下我們哪有臉說那個是我們的政績啊只有公平會自己會在這個簡報上說哇這個是我們的多人事專家多麼的好我就覺得汗顏啊 |
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哪一點你有去輔導過人家你不要找人家不要這邊給人家騷擾就好了一個活動你知道他管制到什麼程度嗎我一個行銷啊我第一季做的行銷到第二季的行銷我要改變行銷的方式我要跟他報備你覺得這個產業會發展嗎 |
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秘書長您直接給我回一些時間的關心您要不要啟動重新省慎的啟動行銷那你不要聽他們的你真的有一個真的在經濟發展當中能夠有主導的一個第三方單位來做你如果聽他們的還是一樣啊因為他小到不行啊他無力到不行啊他無形隱形到不行啊他幾乎都可以消失在你把它撤掉你覺得你行政院有什麼影響 |
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你絕對沒影響經濟部撤掉你會不會影響你影響到不行啊教育部如果撤掉你會不會影響會啊公平會把它撤掉會不會影響不會你看他小到這種地步一個橋尾會撤掉你會不會震動啊會 |
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小到不行的小委會我們都覺得他的重要性公平會給他撤掉你都不會覺得他重要他只在辦什麼他在辦學術研討不好意思謝主席您回應一下您要不要重新啟動什麼時候開始要交出這個評估報告直接你講我都無所謂你講黃金十年我也接受 |
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還是讓我召開一個跨部會的協調會,看看大家的意見跟想法。 |