iVOD / 158373

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IVOD_ID 158373
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158373
日期 2024-12-23
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-20-12
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 12
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 財政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2024-12-23T09:20:08+08:00
結束時間 2024-12-23T09:32:02+08:00
影片長度 00:11:54
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委員名稱 林德福
委員發言時間 09:20:08 - 09:32:02
會議時間 2024-12-23T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議(事由:邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃」進行專題報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 那本席是真的有點意見但是我還是尊重主席啦因為主席讓他請假為什麼我這麼想法呢因為第一個他10點鐘要在行政院開記者會他跟陳淑芝主記長兩個人要開記者會我認為開記者會絕對是針對上個禮拜通過的財劃法講實在話你要面對啊而且
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 立委要求財政部提出修法的版本而且我們有做過主決議已經經過半年說這個新會期財政部一定要提出來但財政部對面對多數的民意可以說置之不理那我認為說通過以後你才來說聲表遺憾你們會不會認為感到羞愧會不會
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 跟委員報告齁那麼財劃法這一部分啊因為涉及到財源的分配這個齁我都很清楚我認為阮市長你認為會不會感到很羞愧嘛不會啊因為這個東西我覺得應該涉及到資源的分配我統計過那個阮市長
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 在113年度今年度到年底最少超徵4900億112年超徵多少3860億111年超徵5237億然後110年超徵4237億總共4年加起來一兆8000多億平均每年超徵多少呢4500億我跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 我跟委員報告我們雖然剛才委員提到了是總預算裡面的稅收的時增數超過預算數但是如果我們把總預算跟特別預算合併來算的話我們這幾年幾乎都是赤字你特別預算不能併在裡面你不要再跟我來這一套我跟你講喔 阮次長我很尊重你但是喔 我很清楚特別預算就是排除整個預算那你
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 來我請教來我有一個片子讓你看來那個是不是把它播放
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 這個情況更加讓高雄市未來的財政更加的困難非常不公平的對高雄市是一種懲罰
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 今天我們最大的訴求這一次的財劃法一定要優先排進去所以我們認為最優先應該是財政收支報告今天我們委員長怎麼可能再讓這個議題讓馬來西亞再回分呢
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 所以我們認為這次臨時會財政法院是一個很重要的優先法案不是你馬英九拿三十幾個簡單的法案來耐以投訴來一目了視的在這上面你不收署而已我們要讓馬英九很清楚財政法院是民進黨黨派永遠第一優先法案這就是我們的立法院
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 當年我在編預算的時候常常是徹夜南北半夜醒過來是全身冷汗從我當主席以來第一件事就是把民進黨執政縣市長約請來黨中央一起大聲的呼籲要趕快通過財政收支化分化這不只是民進黨的問題現在更從藍營的縣市長也紛紛跳出來可知這是不分藍綠的而財政收支化分化攸關地方縣市政府的正常運作
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 好我相信齁從這些影片大家清清楚楚
transcript.whisperx[13].start 310.061
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 律營這些過去當過首長的換了個位置就換了個腦袋那本席是認為說今天修訂財劃法是讓這個因為地方講實在話很多縣市首長
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 他們真的是嗷嗷待哺而且每一年都透過我們中央及這些民意代表來反映希望能夠爭取很多的這些建設需要中央可以協助補助今天我認為說
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 因為財政部用中央積極支援地方財政的這個立場來透過中央統籌分配稅款搭配一般性的補助款以及計畫型的補助來挹注地方財源難道現在的執政黨我們各位官員這個就是最好的政策嗎
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 跟委員報告我們財政部不會反對財化法來修正但是我們是希望要充分的討論我跟委員報告過去我們但是充分討論
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 要你們提版本你們根本連版本都不提嘛我先跟委員報告幾個數字我們對中央政府對地方政府的依註到114年是達到超過1兆151億那麼這一次沒有經過充分討論的情況之下又額外釋出3753億然後呢一般的博出款又不能夠往下降
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 所以在這種情況之下一定會衝擊到中央的施政而且會影響到對地方的協助的能力所以說行政院批評財務法修正後中央政府的國庫會變得空虛未來天災來臨時地方政府要自行的等於是
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 去勇敢面對那我請問次長卓院長對國庫空虛這麼有感受那為什麼沒有辦法體會到地方政府也需要這個虛權的恐急就是非常需要錢他們真的是嗷嗷待哺已經到了無以復加的地步才會因應其判財化法的修法
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 你有什麼看法跟委員報告卓院長他有發布聲明他說他的發言有被這個斷章取義了但是我們可以想我們現在對中央政府的資源已經達到超過一兆以上如果再額外釋出3753億的話一定會弱化對地方財政的資源一定會嘛不管是如果碰到一些建設也好或者是說災害也好
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 那這幾年一直超增,難道你這個都沒有考量進去嗎?連續四年喔!而且超增一兆八千多億喔!所以我剛才跟委員報告過稅收只是總預算的一部分,它的時增數超過預算數但是只是總預算,但是我們還有特別預算所以我們中央是要看整個財源目前還是赤字的
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 我是覺得我們我剛才一直在講
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 我是覺得這樣啊在討論過程當中執政黨委員在這邊也充分表達意見
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 但是好像一直都沒有被接受管事長難道中央要集權又集錢地方政府要透過這個搖尾起聯才能夠讓我們掌權掌權的關奈眼神現在這樣是我們執政黨應該奉行的聖經嗎
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 我跟委員報告我們這個叫財政收支劃分分我知道啊也就是說你在分的時候跟支就要同時要考慮也就是說權跟錢要同時要考慮那只有釋放三千多億所以財政部前中央並沒有集權的問題
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 沒有局前大家看太嚴密這些縣市首長為什麼剛剛那個影片難道你沒有看嗎對不對這個都是齁那些影片都是他們在包括前院長蘇貞昌包括歷任很多縣市首長他們的心聲尤其
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 賴總統他在當總統以前在台南市長這是他講的話我們是把他的話帶到今天讓大家來了解你不要換了一個位置就換了個腦袋而且真的很多我們地方的縣市他們真的苦哈哈的而且講實在話這個是不分藍綠因為財化法修訂以後每個縣市
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 就照財化法的規定該給要給那你行政院長又說以後的災害中央完全沒有責任然後又帶到什麼教育啦什麼國防啦講實在話我認為像這樣的官員真的實在是換了位子換了腦袋又來欺騙老百姓是很不應該那你今天早上又去開記者會我看要看他看記者會內容怎麼講
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 我跟委員報告就是我們的對中央對地方的採取的依註從民國103年那時候才五千多億但是現在成長到114年到超過一兆以上所以這一部分中央從來沒有集錢跟集權所以基本上我們充分來支援那你釋放給地方讓地方能夠自主哪裡不好啊所以我就覺得要錢跟權要同時好一點要你們提外你們也不提
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 韓國瑜