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| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:38:29 - 12:49:21 |
| 影片長度 |
652 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
【僅進行詢答；第二案至第四案委員預算提案於12月25日中午12時前截止收件】【12月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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來陳部長部長我現在開始要談一個非常重要也是非常急迫性的重要政策我們要一起來搶救基隆港基隆港會因為事件整個回港嗎整個港口會毀滅掉嗎 |
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基隆港長期以來都是我們台灣很重要的經濟命脈,到目前為止喔,很多國際的郵輪停靠的都是在基隆港,對我們經濟、國際觀光影響非常的大。我現在先問你一個很重要的問題,最近啊,12月11號晚上,陽明海運有一艘10萬 |
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頓擊的移民輪最近在基隆港要進港的時候發生了擱淺。部長有沒有注意到這個案子?他後來出動了四艘的拖船救援才緊急把他拖走了。他是10萬頓擊的。我後續沒有追嗎? |
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請去趕快把它追清楚。重點是什麼?重點是什麼?最近世界如果真的在基隆的話他這個運天然氣的天然氣船是18萬噸一個10萬噸的現在一個基隆港 |
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可能馬上要面臨因為市街有長長高達重達18萬噸的天然氣船要進出我來講更嚴重的問題他最近就要做環評了在上次環評的時候市街環評的時候交通部的台灣港務股份有限公司具名在會上提出了三個非常重要的建議 |
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呼籲大家一定要注意一共那時候曾經做了真實超船模擬測試這個非常重要 |
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二十五次的真實超船模擬這個測試,這幾個二十五次裡面有一次就出現碰撞事件了。還有兩次是高危險,都差一點撞到這個西邊或者東邊的這個防波堤。有危險嗎?二十五次一次擦撞,兩次高危險,二十五分之三有危險嗎?有危險嗎?你站在交通部長的這個這麼重要的位置, |
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如果世界做好之後一部天然氣船18萬噸的一年裡面可能就有一次會是碰撞的兩次高危險嚴不嚴重 |
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報告委員我們當然希望風險要降到最低對交通部的立場來說整個基隆港的營運是相當的重要所以未來他們在環評的過程當中當然交通部這邊會提出我們的看法那包含港務公司您所提供的資料也有看到港務公司其實也有提出他們的看法這個部分我們都會提給這個環評的單位讓他們去做審慎的評估部長你判到二十分之三、二十五分之三嚴不嚴重? |
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這個實際當時的狀況我不瞭解所以現在在這邊沒有啊這個機率啊實際的狀況就是有一次是擦撞啊碰撞啊兩次差一點碰撞啊這個是模擬的狀態這個是模擬的狀態可是跟實際到時候當然就是要避免說真實發生的事情只要真實發生那不得了欸18萬噸的天然氣欸我剛一開始為什麼給你看一個例子是10萬噸的10萬噸是一個撇不出來的不然死定了四部拖吊船去掉啊 |
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所以一個部長很清楚的表達在最近如果開環評的時候交通部 |
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要清楚的表達你們對這個事情的後續,還有它危險性的處理方式,對不對?這個非常明確,這是第一個,對不對?這個答案是有的。好,我們來看,它有兩點是很重要的。剛才說的是說,有可能會碰撞。 |
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他還提了第二點啊,他說等這個世界如果真的做好之後,天然氣的那個傳進去之後啊,會影響到港內的卸貨跟整個卸貨的停泊這個作業。這個提出來之後你們有沒有去做怎麼樣改善或者要怎麼樣因應?提出來這個之後其實我們因應的方式就是說他未來是在外港,他不會進內港。LNG船他會是在外港不會進來裡面。 |
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331.681 |
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334.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質 |
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355.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
371.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我們在2021年的9月份有發生基隆港碼頭起重機那個掉壁一個墜落事件大家可能還記憶猶新心有遺跡那現在那一天你們就提了交通部提出了一個提醒說 |
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402.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
當天然氣的這個運輸船靠港的時候你在卸貨的時候旁邊如果有大型的這個郵輪或者大型的這個船經過這會有海浪的一個輕波作用嘛這很危險啊有專家王國采王前部長在探討這是很危險的事情啊這你們在提醒他會不會重演2021年9月份的時候碼頭起重機那個整個掉幣墜落的那個事情 |
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這個叫輕波作用嘛。那只有兩種解決方案喔。第一個,那時候大的船就不要進來了。我說這樣被撞了。 |
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台灣有那麼多國際的觀光船遊輪都要在基隆港可是因為你世界你要避免你要避免這個天然氣船沒有沒有問題所以你要減少或者讓國際遊輪不要到基隆港去那基隆就完蛋了台灣的觀光旅遊也會受到非常大波折這一點點嘛對不對那第一個還有一個方法嘛你一定要注意到他的安全嘛你們後續有做的怎麼樣檢討 |
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435.331 |
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459.708 |
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報告委員其實這些都是事先提醒啦在環評的時候我們都會把這些意見提供出來那未來當然就會避免包含說第一他不可以在尖峰的時間進來不要影響到我們一般的商船的營運那第二在惡劣的氣候底下他也不能夠進來這個到時候我們也都會做限制所以部長再談下來你看為了一個世界對基隆港的發展經濟的發展觀光的衝擊有多大 |
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報告委員我們現在所提醒的就是未來不要造成影響所以他如果不要做不要做世界不要做在那裡基隆還有全台灣的觀光經濟就不會受影響啊所以這是一個重要的決策關鍵點喔所以齊凱今天一開始本期就要提的這是一個重要的關鍵點今天談的是一個基隆港會不會滅港而且他有急迫性因為馬上就要做環評了所以保定 |
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486.57 |
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487.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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500.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
518.917 |
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基隆港我們不會讓它有負面的影響啦負面的影響發生之前我們都會事先提醒並且事先避免今天該講今天我提了這三點要怎麼解決該提醒了你知道下次環評委員會交通部一定要去講這個內容我都會提出來內容一定要講這個是一個第二個更具體的來我提三個點第一個 |
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531.272 |
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請責令港務局針對四階計畫興建期間跟完工以後港區安全的維護跟保障問題進行通盤的調查跟研究跟規劃。 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
540.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
562.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
港務公司針對4階計畫實施以後對基隆港的民用商用的漁民生計這會衝擊到漁民的生計喔休旋的旅遊還有整個運輸的接駁等相關的要進行通盤的研究跟計畫而且提出計畫好可以齁好第二個禁令狀第三相關報告要現期就完成完成之前 |
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相關的問題要獲得解決之前,解決之前,問題提出來解決之前,針對世界計畫的環評會議等基於保障基隆港的市民安全、生計還有全國運輸的安全環境的保護前提之下,交通部不能隨便去點頭去答應。 |
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可以做得到嗎?報告委員,我們尊重環評的那個程序啦。不是,他沒有達到你剛講的這些,你交通部不能去點頭答應啊。對不對?當然如果解決你的問題就可以啊。阿沒有解決,我怎麼說呢?基隆港真的就沒搞了。對台灣那個整個觀光經濟衝擊的。我們會要求他們來承諾。蛤?我們會要求,在環評的過程當中我們會要求他們要承諾。要求承諾齁?好來,那我們來談。相關報告你什麼時候可以給我?你們那兩個報告。 |
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二個月的時間好不好。兩個月齁。OK好。好謝謝。好謝謝部長。謝謝委員。這個事情真的很重要齁部長你當過發言人啦齁你算是比較跨部會的去看這個事情不能夠國家為了說天然氣一定要過電一定要過結果沒有注意到安全的問題特別是對我們全國 |
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635.45 |
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651.272 |
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貢獻在經濟跟民生在觀光有那麼大的一個基隆港我們一定要努力不要因為錯誤的政策特別是不要因為交通部該講的話沒有去講喔環評一下就過了呼哩轟隆世界就弄起來了結果弄到後來基隆港是沒港的好不好好我們一起努力謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
158263 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158263 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-18T12:38:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-18T12:49:21+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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