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| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:04 - 11:22:35 |
| 影片長度 |
691 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會、銀行局、證券期貨局、保險局、檢查局收支部分。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【預算提案截止時間：12月19日（四）中午12時】
【12月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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告戒戶 |
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也就是提供人頭賬戶要有地方警察機關來採取所謂的告誡處分而且限制他在五年內不得使用金融服務的部分的功能所以告誡戶他就變成他的他不是不能用,他的賬戶很難用非常難用那加上上一次為什麼會在委員會下決議就是因為 |
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警示帳戶警察機關可以自行解除但是告戒戶到現在為止還是需要所謂的訴願程序那這個案子送到了地檢署 |
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有人頭賬戶的時候他們就列出了告誡處分我們當然支持先做告誡的方式先讓他先讓他被警示但是解除的部分幾乎叫做困難重重簡單來說就像剛剛顏寬寬委員說的很多人他在網路上面賣東西然後東西也給了 |
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買家賣家給了東西已經交出去了所以買家就找人匯了那筆錢進到他的賬戶後來才發現是這個買家去騙了別人來匯進這個賬戶也就是說這個賬戶的是網路賣家他並沒有把自己的賬號密碼交給第三人可是他就變成了告解戶那這個人他在6個月之後可能得到了不起訴處分 |
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但是 主委 到現在沒有任何機制可以讓他解除告誡戶 對吧這個警示戶跟告誡戶確實不太一樣是 也就是說幾個月之後他取得了不起訴處分但是他要去取消告誡戶幾乎叫做不可能然後後來上一次我們在委員會他是說因為告誡戶是一個行政處分所以當時就要30天之內提出訴願但是 |
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等到不起訴處分已經是半年後的事了他沒有辦法在30天之內提起訴願所以這些告誡戶到現在為止其實非常多人在向民意代表澄清可是我上次做的互待決議就是這件事情應該要清楚的預知或告知所有可能這樣受到影響的告誡戶這些人數有多少你知道嗎 |
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因為上次我有有個數據有比如3月應該有應該有幾十萬人是幾十萬的百姓幾十萬的沒有把賬號密碼給別人的百姓他們現在被變成告戒戶在受到這樣子的不管是懷疑也好應該是其中有部分確實是剛剛那個狀況有很多確實是所以我一直說 |
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金管會對於這些告借戶我相信我們希望你們研議出一個專門的或者是有救濟的方法就是把告借戶做等級的是如果他有不起作處分的是一種其他的狀況是一種因為他的確沒有把自己的賬號密碼給人家他也沒有把這個錢提出去給所謂的詐騙集團 |
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他就是賣了一個東西他真的也付出了那個東西然後他的賬號被拿去做成詐騙的賬號雖然進到他的賬戶內他沒有領出來他也沒有交給別人但是他還是變成詐騙集團的共犯而且最後他可能變成不起訴處分書了但是這個部分沒有辦法取消他告戒戶的 |
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問題這個問題很多而且幾十萬人好嗎主委不能再拖啦我們越聽越多了多到已經不知道該怎麼處理了這個我再請我們同仁來來來進一步了解跟 |
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所以你請趕快找法務部找警政署是不是在警示賬戶的方式在告誡戶上面有沒有另外一個所謂的救濟的機制否則這些人到今天為止他真的就是一個受害的第三人 |
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委員提供幾個個案 |
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法院都幫你們做了調查了這些可以優先處理吧對對因為這個這個還牽涉到法務部因為執法是他們訂的我們會跟他聯繫來怎麼做上一次委員會下附帶決議就是這個道理因為的確這些人沒有救急管道至少他才被告誡以後拿到不起訴處分書他還是沒有辦法取消他的告誡的身份這個有點離譜啊 |
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我們會來跟法務部來協調看看怎麼處理另外一個問題就是上一次有一個國際的通緝犯西班牙籍的男子奧納德在我國2019年在伊拉利詐欺了10億然後後來發現他在台灣過得很舒服非常的開心最嚴重的是他竟然在台灣登記了公司還開了銀行的賬戶後來我們請銀行繼續查來局長你們查的結果 |
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報告委員我們總共查到有8家的銀行然後他分別有擔任負責人或有他自己本人有開戶所以因為我們查到了之後我們已經請銀行說這個人竟然已經有因為剛開始銀行是2019年他就上了新聞國際的資料庫都有 |
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後來銀行也有在資料庫裡面查到有負面的新聞所以有些銀行已經做控管了那不過後來因為在開戶的時候都沒有查是嗎這可能牽涉到也是也許是有資訊的我現在要問的是還有沒有下一個現在所有在台灣負責人是外國人的人這些KYC都做好了嗎 |
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後來我們因為這一次的事件我們也有發函給各個銀行就說他們從KYC上有回報現在他們清查的結果還有做相關的機制或處理了嗎?就是資料庫都設備過一次了嗎?對所以我們也會後續我們也會再請銀行說以後也要做回溯性的清查啦從這件事件以後局長我要的是進度你回溯性的清查已經做了多少? |
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做了多少家、多了多少人而不是只是發函你發了函,他們有回函嗎?有相關的統計嗎?或你發現了問題,要不要做一次的清查可以給他們時間,但是不能只是發函 |
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這個委員我們後續再從這個方面我給你一個月的時間請他們回報他們清查的結果如果我們回溯你可以先回溯幾年再回溯幾年慢慢查但是總是要進入而且資料庫就在那裡有相關的人有相關的資料上去查就查得到 |
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KYC不就是應該做這件事嗎我們現在的百姓不是常常收到銀行你要來更新你的資料你不更新我就要怎樣怎樣那對這些外國尤其是可能有這種國際通緝犯的這些人他們竟然在台灣可以過得這麼爽而且發現以後才發現他開了八個銀行帳戶這麼多年我們的洗錢防治可能都淪於空談 |
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有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份 |
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金融機構接下去為了國際競爭大概都會開始陸陸續續的合併現在的星光要被併但是後來賀蘭才發現這兩個銀行都沒有工會他們現在成立了現在在成立這是很奇怪的事也就是說我們看了全金聯他們的企業工會目前只有37家所以不是每個銀行都有工會是嗎 |
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現在應該不是所有金融機構都有是,但是金融機構被併的時候就突然間趕快匆匆忙忙的成立工會之前包括富邦金、併購日盛金、花旗讓壽新展這些都是發生過很多的風風雨雨那之前更早的就是所謂的元大併大眾 |
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這些併購已經成為常態了我們現在看到勞動部可能希望能夠訂出金融機構合併的勞工勞動權益保障的行政指引也就是說這麼多年有這麼多的機構已經併購而且問題都差不多甚至對於安置尤其是如果沒有工會的銀行對他們的勞工保障更沒有保障所以要靠這些所謂的權金聯會其他的工會來幫他的忙所以主委我只想問金融合併是金管會支持的 |
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有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份 |
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如果可以的話我們應該鼓勵各金融機構成立工會而不是到要合併的時候才赫然發現他沒工會趕快來成立然後工會沒有運作過其實很難達到一定的成果啊你同意嗎 |
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這個應該是我們會跟勞動部 資方都不喜歡成立工會啦但是銀行局應該去鼓勵我們相關的單位盡量的成立工會尤其是勞動部跟銀行局應該是讓銀行的管理對員工的保障納入正軌有工會的 |
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銀行更沒有工會的銀行他對於勞工的保障當然會有影響所以我們不能期待有很棒的老闆可能有慣老闆誰知道所以鼓勵銀行成立工會也應該是金管會推動的業務吧 |
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660.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我想這應該是勞動部我們站在金融監督的角度你們不反對嘛所以也希望銀行不要去阻止他們銀行的內部員工我們不會阻止這是他們的權利而且要保障他們成立工會的權益那我們是希望有一個公平的這樣一個交易所以我們希望你們現在就協助相關的銀行員工他們將來除了審查之外我希望工會的成立還有這個所謂合併的時候權益保障的行政執行監會要大力介入好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
661.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
663.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
接著我們請謝榮介委員謝榮介謝榮介謝榮介不在接著我們請郭國文委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
158252 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158252 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-11 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-19T11:11:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-19T11:22:35+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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