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| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:06 - 10:27:58 |
| 影片長度 |
832 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於法務部及所屬主管收支部分。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「法務部矯正機關作業基金」收支部分。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「毒品防制基金」收支部分。
四、審查法務部函送財團法人臺灣更生保護會、財團法人福建更生保護會及財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會114年度預算書案。
五、併案審查
（一）委員徐巧芯等18人擬具「外役監條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員王世堅等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答；預算提案於12月24日中午12時截止收件】
【12月18日及19日兩天一次會】） |
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委員早 |
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部長早我想今天我們大概就針對我們法務部及所屬的這些主管的機關的單位預算我們來進行詢答那所以我 |
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本席今天大概所針對的就會是針對我們這些相關的這些預算裡面我所本席所關切的一些部分首先就是因為我們在今年的7月我們通過打詐釋法其中重要的我們在刑事訴訟法的這個特殊強制處分專章裡面我們通過了這些科技偵查法制化的一個相關的作業那相關的立法 |
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因此我就會特別關心這個我們這個科技偵查我們整個法制化之後我們相關的我們法務部幾個相關單位所屬機關的一個一個相關的預算是不是有所變動是不是有因應這個我們目前科技偵查法制化之後相關的這些科技作業科技偵查作業是不是有做這個預算的這些調整以及這個強化 |
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我大概簡單先看我們整個這個今年的我們法務部的單位預算以及所屬的包括調查局、廉政署、小政署等等相關的這些這些預算我這今年法務部的預算大概增加了4651萬6千元這是我們這個法務部部本部的這個單位預算 |
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第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管收支 |
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那矯正署的部分我就另外把它列不納入計算,因為矯正署它跟這個科技偵查比較沒有關係,但是它有科技的相關預算,等一下也許有時間的話也會跟省來討論。所以這些相關的這剛剛我講法務部、調查局、聯政署光這三個單位預算,總計增加大概四億三千一百四十七萬。 |
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這部分我更加關心的就是說我們這個科技偵查法制化之後法務部主管的有哪一些預算是因為我們這個科技偵查所編列增加編列的啦那增編在哪裡重點是這些新增的預算他的預期的成果預期成效以及他對於打擊犯罪尤其是這個這個在放在我們放在打詐治法裡面我們對於詐騙案件的這個相關的 |
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偵查以及相關的這些工作是不是有所幫助,這個大概是我本席今天質詢的重點。部長我剛剛講的這些數字都正確嗎?是。所以我接下來我針對相關的計畫如果是所屬的我就會請所屬的長官上來,部長你就在旁邊一同了解。 |
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我想我首先我剛才提到這個增加預算增加最多的大概是調查局調查局這個今年度的預算增加了這個四億九百八十九萬四千元我們陳局長這相關的問題我們就請局長來回答好,委員好局長好 |
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我看我們增加的4億多的預算這裡面我注意到有幾個新增編列的計畫而且這新增編列計畫大概也都跟科技偵查有所相關我這邊列出我找出來三個我們三個過去沒有的今年新增列的計畫一個是精進科技偵查計畫 |
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第二個是新型網路犯罪智能延期追緝計劃第三個是智慧司法與科技信任環境建構方案計劃這三個應該是新增的計劃對不對?是那這個精進科技偵查計劃我們編列了878萬那這個新型網路犯罪智能延期追緝計劃我們編列了2210萬是 |
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智慧司法與科技信任環境建構方案我們編了13979000三項計畫加起來總共這個4486萬那我這個 |
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這個這個在我這樣看就是調查局似乎有在在因為這一次的這個科技偵查的法制化之後有在相關的科技偵查的部分有確實有增列的新增的工作跟計畫但是我要了解這些計畫裡面卻有一些有一些實質的內容就比較不了解關於剛所提到第一個精進科技偵查的計畫我看你們其實是一個三年的計畫是不是一個三年的計畫他不是今年單獨的 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬 |
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369.82 |
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大概有兩個我比較注意到的第一個就是委辦費啦就是你們委辦希望能夠委託這個大學或學術研究機構就針對人工智慧新興科技建構筆跡輔助鑑識系統的研究費用 |
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五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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395.798 |
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405.744 |
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兩百一十六萬八千元來做這個臉部表情辨識軟體的設備在設備及投資的部分對不對這個是對這個是人工智慧的這個鑑識的這個部分 |
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相關的見識我關心的是相關的見識包括對於數位簽帳筆記鑑定是不是納入規劃那你們這個見識能力最重要是這樣子未來的見識能力跟他的正確性跟客觀性這才是數位辨識裡面最重要的關鍵你們所期待的成效是什麼樣 |
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我們希望就是說能夠在這個鑑識的過程裡面它的有效性還有它的那個效率能夠提高那目前是比較是傾向是用人工的其實面對目前這種新興的這種詐欺的犯罪其實是非常的不足所以我們希望能夠導入這個科技的這個能夠協助對我說具體的像剛剛這些數位簽章或是臉部辨識它對於打詐本身工作在哪一些部分會有所強化 |
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稍後那個詐騙的這些簽名啊筆跡啊我們就可以利用這樣子的工具來協助我們來辨識他的真偽他的正確性他的正確性跟客觀性目前有得到肯定還是說你們還是必須要再服以人工複查 |
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公務員報告,目前我們在做簽字簽名的鑑定上面,大部分都是用手寫的簽名鑑定,這部分的鑑定率我們的正確率是很高。那是現在現行嗎?那我們新增這個計畫就是為了數位簽名嗎?是,因為我們目前對數位簽名,因為數位簽名跟手寫的簽名它的 |
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運筆跟他的比例還有他的作業方式都不一樣。是的,所以這個部分我們就必須要導入一些新的科技方法來輔助我們傳統的方式 |
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這部分因為是新增計畫,所以我們還沒有看到計畫的細目,希望在審查預算的時候我們能夠針對這些部分我們來做進一步的了解。當然你另外還有這個新型網路犯罪系統延期計畫,因為時間的關係我沒有辦法跟你一個一個細談,但是我比較,我這裡比較 |
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要想要了解的是我剛所談的這個計畫裡面的第三個新增計畫智慧司法與科技信任環境建構方案你們總共花了1397萬這是新增的計畫那你們在這個這個 |
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整個計畫內容裡面提到設備投資的部分提到說構置司法聯盟鏈共同驗證平台這個我很好奇因為我沒有聽過司法聯盟鏈這個名詞我是第一次聽到什麼叫司法聯盟鏈 |
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共同驗證平台我了解,那什麼叫司法聯盟鏈?你們大概希望提供建設這個平台之後希望提供哪一些這是一個開放的系統嗎?這是一個提供給什麼樣的人使用的一個平台?是,報告委員這個司法聯盟鏈目前是由五個單位組成的一個是司法院、法務部、高檢署、調查局、警政署司法院、法務部對不對?高檢署、調查局、警政署 |
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最後一個是什麼?警政署這五個單位組成這個我們會建置這個司法聯盟鏈主要就是為了要確認數位證據的驗證的統一性 |
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就是數位證據,數位證據它包括保全啦,數位證據的保全也是有一個問題啦,因為它這個東西是這個,我看我們這個最高法院的判決,對於數位證據,它有確定使用數位證據這個用語。它提到說,它這個數位證據它有無限的可複製性,再來它複製之後無差異性,這複製之後你不知道這東西是複製的還是原件。 |
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爭刪內容具無痕跡性製作人具不易確定性內容非屬人類感官可以直接理解像這樣子的這些數位證據的保全證據的保全以及驗證最重要是驗證 |
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是的,這個一開始的五個會員會先把我們的數位證據上到這個司法聯盟鏈由他的這個 |
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查湊值來確認說他的數位證據並沒有受到污染那未來會希望能夠有更多的司法調查單位甚至律師公會也能夠加入這個司法聯盟的運作大家在法院在檢查這個體系或是司法體系或是檢查體系大家對於數位證據的驗證能夠一致化保持他的一致性然後不會受到污染除了你講的這個司法聯盟鏈之外 |
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一般民眾、全民可以共同來利用這樣子建制的平台嗎? |
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目前是沒有但是未來的發展它會有一個查詢平台在你們的預期關鍵成果裡面你們有提到整合規劃存驗證共同平台提供全民容易接近使用區塊鏈的服務它驗證分兩種一種是司法就是這個鏈上面的司法警察單位或是我們去做驗證但另外一個是民眾假設你被搜索了 |
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陳局長 |
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我們現在這三個新增的計畫這個部分我想本席是為予支持的因為畢竟我們這個科技偵查是這個法制化之後這個納入確實是應該要投入更多的資源將這個科技偵查相關所需要的需求跟我們過去不足的地方因為法制化之後我們可以編列正式的預算我們可以進行精進但這些相關新增的計畫正因為這些計畫是新增的 |
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所以我希望這些計畫的執行,這個部分這個局長你負有督導之責,相關最重要是每一個計畫它的預期成果,包括階段性的,三年計畫它今年的階段性目標是什麼?第二年階段性目標是什麼?我在你們的計畫裡面其實沒有看到你們所提的這些具體的階段性目標,具體的目標或階段性的成果。這部分我希望全局長能夠加強督促好不好?是,是,是,謝謝委員,謝謝。 |
| IVOD_ID |
158242 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158242 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-20 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-19T10:14:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-19T10:27:58+08:00 |
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