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委員名稱 黃國昌
委員發言時間 09:19:31 - 09:45:54
影片長度 1583
會議時間 2024-12-19T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於法務部及所屬主管收支部分。 二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「法務部矯正機關作業基金」收支部分。 三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「毒品防制基金」收支部分。 四、審查法務部函送財團法人臺灣更生保護會、財團法人福建更生保護會及財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會114年度預算書案。 五、併案審查 (一)委員徐巧芯等18人擬具「外役監條例第四條條文修正草案」案。 (二)委員王世堅等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。 (三)委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條條文修正草案」案。 【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答;預算提案於12月24日中午12時截止收件】 【12月18日及19日兩天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 謝謝主席,事事麻煩,尤其我們的法務部正部長、最高檢察署刑檢中長、廉政署馮署長、台北地檢署檢察長、新北地檢署檢察長。
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 委員長各位早,時間的關係不一一問候,時間緊迫直接切入有關於就業安定基金被濫用的事情我在未完委員會直接點出來
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 用公帑買的東西跑去送私人的親友甚至在招標的過程當中跟廠商有圖利綁標的問題這件事情先北地檢署動作非常的快我先肯定下一個問題不是只有這100多萬買禮品有問題現在現在
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 審計部大概簡單的看了一下就有五千多萬遭到濫用就這個部分檢方啟動偵辦了嗎?這部分台北地檢署已經立案偵辦了台北地檢署已經立案偵辦了有列被告嗎?許明春是不是被告?這個有告發有告發所以許明春是算被告陳菊是被告嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 目前不是目前不是告發的對象只有許明春嗎許明春這個案子的辦案有沒有上線這個我想我尊重檢察官的偵辦檢察官是有證據到哪裡就辦到哪裡好很好大家都聽到拭目以待喔新北地檢署辦謝宜龍大家認為民進黨政府的斷點辦得很快喔
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 往上辦的時候辦的速度辦的角度辦的深度就是社會大眾大家在關注的重點不要到時候我們自己檢方辦出來的結果比我們審計部做的還糟糕是不是會這樣我不知道不預設立場我們接下來繼續往下看
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 八八黑金洗錢集團這個事情我從我還在民間社會的時候我從2022年就持續的追蹤我追蹤一路下來我必須要老實講我們的政府說打詐要打洗錢
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 辦這些案子辦得哩哩啜啜我為什麼這樣講我先從小明郭澤民開始講當初去88會館的檢察官把他放走好不容易抓回來追究檢察官的責任我從2023年一路問新北地檢署什麼時候要給行政調查報告結果我拿到的行政調查報告今年8月一切合法沒有為師
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 所以現在法務部的立場是針對這個先去88會館接受招待然後又把小明、郭澤民放掉的檢察官連社會上面普遍印象不佳的監察院都彈劾了但是你們的行政調查報告是一切合法沒有違私對於新北地檢所交出來這樣子的行政調查報告請問法務部背書嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 這部分有關於去88會館的這些的檢察官我想那個請針對問題回答我沒有那麼多時間不好意思新北地檢的行政調查報告法務部是不是背書這個問題非常的簡單明瞭這個我們就尊重那個新北的一個尊重新北地檢署來請新北地檢署檢察長
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 這樣的行政調查報告等於是在幫這位檢察官背書認為監察院的彈劾沒有道理是這樣嗎?這部分的報告我們已經寫在報告上我們認為說檢察官當時在那個我了解啊你們的報告我全部都拜讀了就是回給我的公文嘛但我現在的問題是什麼從2023年的3月到2024年的8月
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 連監察院都彈劾了你們的行政調查報告還是一切合法沒有違私啊讓人看了瞠目結舌啊所以以新北地檢署的立場來講監察院的彈劾不當是這樣嗎在接下來懲戒法庭的審理過程當中新北地檢會力挺這位檢察官是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 目前沒有通知我們去看沒關係啊你們實際上面的作為怎麼面對自家人的一個檢察官跑去88會館後來把他放了你們的行政調查報告是一切合法沒有違適啊那個標準啊比監察院還要低啊讓人瞠目結舌啊有問題的還不是小明欸這一些有關係的人都很厲害啊屠城文一樣
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 偵辦屠城文地下會對洗錢案檢警跑到瑞森銀樓的私人招待所這個都是客觀確認的事實啊以及是洗錢犯的犯罪嫌疑人還有檢警跑去瑞森銀樓的地下私人招待所如出一側模式一模一樣屠城文跑了來請問一下現在屠城文到外沒有
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 有人知道嗎?有人關心嗎?有人在意嗎?在同期中?同期多久了?怎麼跑的?我上次問的時候說要偵辦,偵辦的進度如何?查無不法,謝謝指教這不是第一次問啦我上次問的時候說要分案偵辦嘛怎麼跑的?
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 電話局局長請上來不好意思啊部長您的問題還沒有回答他的問題是下一個現在申辦的進度如何是哪一個地檢署在辦來請台北地檢署申辦的進度如何因為他目前通緝中啊讓我們有當然在通緝中嘛那要不然你們在申辦什麼
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 我上次問的時候就是問人怎麼跑的嘛這麼厲害都招待檢警事前都收到封都有辦法先跑屠城文、郭澤民的模式不是一模一樣嗎這些詐欺洗錢的有設招待所的都知道可以先跑大家都這麼厲害
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 來調查局的同仁協助一下你確認以後再上來回答這個問題接下來更扯第三個林秉文一樣是88會館我們鄭文燦的麻吉林秉文一樣88會館洗錢現在人到哪裡去了部長有沒有掌握
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 您比我們現在,因為這個已經起訴了,這是法院在審理中這個...你說得非常的好啊,所以臺北地院就不想背鍋啊趕快發新聞稿啊,說你們一開始的時候就沒有限制出境啊人跑的臺北地院的新聞稿啊,在暗指什麼?在暗指是檢察官的責任啊那我現在就具體問一個事情嘛
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 當初在台北地院審理的過程當中林秉文因倒庭而沒有倒庭立體的檢察官在睡覺嗎?有任何積極的作為嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 這個是沈立松的被告齁,要不要限制出境出海或者是整個羈押或交保那個,我想這個要尊重法院新北,新北地院齁,這個是法院的職權法院的職權嘛,但檢察官發現該道的人部長,請你把問題聽完好嗎?請你把問題聽完好嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 在審判程序當中立庭的檢察官發現人不見了不用促請法院為職權的發動嗎?具體的回答什麼時候發現他不見什麼時候促請法院為職權的處理
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 那個主席啊是不是可以跟部長溝通一下等我問題問完請他回答問題可以嗎是不是可以主席請部長回答問題就針對問題回答不要插嘴可以嗎因為這樣子的話社會大眾關心的根本就不知道我問什麼他答什麼嘛
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 當庭就這樣處理了?當庭就這樣表達?當庭這樣處理喔?對,這樣表達是在哪一個庭裡面?幾月幾號的庭?這個是在12月12月5號和議庭和議庭的時候就12月5號的時候才請法院處請法院依照職權處理嗎?我為什麼拿這件事情出來問?
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 社會大眾很憤怒啊大家看不下去啊不是只有一樁啊先是小民啊再來是瑞生銀樓的啊再來是林秉文啊大家關係好的消息都很靈通啊人就跑啦結果今天部長您是這種態度
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 12月26號開庭再來拘提笑死人啦人現在就已經在國外了現在是期待什麼他自己坐飛機回來開庭讓你們拘提喔太可笑啦
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 上一次我請教我們的檢察總長所基層的檢察官看不下去請法務部開課要學習怎麼被媒體經營然後總長說你不是很清楚沒有關係從上次質詢完到現在我相信總長有去了解基層的檢察官點名北檢的檢察長高檢的檢察長檢察總長是歷史罪人我再強調一次這不是我說的這是基層的檢察官看不下去
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 然後呢10月25號跟我說分案處理了依照偵查不公開檢討小組會議依法查明真相來請總長您10月25號發函到現在目前查處的狀況如何跟委員報告喔委員提到的問題喔
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 這個偵查不公開的問題是個很重要2017年施改國事會議的決議那剛剛委員那天指導之後我們有交到台高檢署他們現在正在調查中因為現在正在偵查中他們無法調卷但是
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 那天回來之後我們要請我們檢察官這個研究之後我們又研究了一個對策就是這個建議事項其中有一點我們建議參考美國的法制定令、偵查、保密令把證人、證人還有一些相關的人都列入這個規範的範圍而且提高法律的位階提高刑案
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 另外,對於多島機制,我們建議把外部委員納入。
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 你覺得啊,你說要給證人,基本上像是美國的Gaggo Oat,這個我知道,但問題是,這個跟我所檢舉的案子有什麼關係?所以你們現在是在懷疑說這個秘密證人自己去外面講嗎?這個當然是有關係啦,因為這個偵查不公開已經是歷史上一個問題,事實上在立法上...請你針對問題回答,所以IMB的案子你們認為是這個秘密證人自己跑去跟進周刊講嗎?是嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 是嗎?全部查無不法,全部牽結,你找不到誰洩密嗎?那所以啊,就以IMB的案子來講啊,這個命令證人嚇得半死,我還安排他去北檢作證,結果你們的對策是要給證人gaggle out,那所以呢在這個案子裡面你們是嚴重懷疑這個證人自己跑去跟淨州開洩密喔?有這麼蠢的事喔?
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 有這麼蠢的事喔!跟委員報告齁這個是週刊他是有跟那個
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管收支部分
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 全部都沒有檢方的人15個人全部都警察來對我們斯坦國事會議做了這麼重要的結論了以後最後查處出來的結果全部都警察檢方的一個都沒有對這樣查處的結果部長你滿不滿意我相信我們檢察官在偵辦建築會嚴守偵查不公開的一個規定
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 檢察官當然嚴格遵守偵查不公開的規定。那等於是2017年的時候司改國是會議做的這個決議全部都是廢話因為大家都遵守嘛2017年的時候遵守2024年也遵守嘛過去這7年查出來最後怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 過去這7年查出來一個檢方的都沒有全部都警察我們不能說就是來不好意思主席最後一個問題今天法務部的預算我看了預算了以後來來來法務部112年、113年、114年每一年都有編一般事務費辦理部外聯繫、考察及新聞發布大概都編了大概150萬這個錢拿來幹嘛的
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 這個錢拿來幹嘛的?這個錢編在你的預算書裡拿來幹嘛的你應該很清楚啊?這個是屬於這個是就是跟記者就是以來記者來參訪來了解我們法務部的各項業務及所屬間的推動的情形去辦記者的參訪嘛法務部所屬各項推動的狀況嘛來我們看一下實際實踐的結果2023年
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 請問部長
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 適合還是不適合?這個我們這個預算本來就是要做...本來就是要做這個事的嘛!我不是要做這個事喔!這個我要做一個澄清喔!這個我們就是要做了解...請你針對問題回答!錢這樣子花適合不適合?錢這樣子花適合不適合?
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 請部長你就直接回答我們的委員的問題啊到底適合不適合我們是落實執行我們這個預算的一個執行這個是跟媒體落實預算的執行喔那等於是當初過這個預算的委員不對啊
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 稍等稍等稍等稍等
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 記者招待這個不是說什麼招待這個到記者室我們也會安排其他的參訪行程是所以我請教你去飛行劇場做了什麼簡報
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 二、審查2024年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 晚上喝成這樣喔這都是現場的照片啊我為什麼挑出來講很多檢察官在問嘛要教一教開課教大家怎麼經營媒體關係啊我秀給大家看要怎麼經營啊就這樣子經營嘛經營得很好啊這個預算我一定提案三法務部要捍衛我也OK
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 你要去找這些記者來圍剿我,我也沒有關係,但我的信念是什麼?納稅人的錢不可以這樣花!來,出國,來來來,接下來請馮誠署長。參加國民國際透明組織這場考察花了多少錢?
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 我們的這個預算的部分用的不多我們是使用那個外交部有給我們大概300萬的錢國防部有給我們50萬的錢那主要是負責全部都是國家的錢嘛對但是那個所以總共花了多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管收支部分關於法務部主管
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 跟委員報告一下齁其實我們在國際中連政交朋友這件事情我們其實是蠻用心的是是是這個我了解所以我才具體的請教完你這個考察完最重要的啟示是什麼你有寫在出國報告你你忘了嗎你忘了你在裡面寫什麼嗎我很用心欸把你們去的我全部都拜讀完欸所以我才請教你嘛你最重要的啟示是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 我跟委員說齁其實我們這一次去齁大概像我們每次出國的時候齁我們都是希望在跟國際間齁在那反貪腐這件事是!對就是說所以你最重要的啟示是什麼?你講兩點出來就好啦第一就是反貪腐的一個經驗上的交流嘛然後第二就是增加我們國際間的一個能見度只有這樣齁?我認為是這樣是最重要的那你還記不記得你這個出國報告寫了什麼?你還記得嗎?這出國報告是你寫的嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 出國報告不是我寫的不是你寫的啊你在出國報告表示了什麼你記不記得出國報告裡面的內容蠻多的啊是是是是是所以我沒有問你嘛我沒有要你背行程給我聽嘛我只說你最後去參訪的這個你得到的啟示是什麼嗎這個有這麼困難嗎那我跟你講啦我覺得我們來我給你看啊
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 去完了以後說什麼?馮署長關於立陶宛施行接避者保護法立陶宛的接避者保護法是只有公部門還是公司部門都受規範?法務委員齁跟您先再澄清一下我並不是出去玩的在這一次沒關係你出去進行非常重要的考察那結果你的結論立陶宛的吹哨者保護法是只有公部門還是公司部門都有?跟委員報告立陶宛的這個接避者保護法是公私並行的
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 你想起來了嗎?你想起來你在這個報告表示什麼了嗎?不是想起來,我不知道委員要問這一個部分啦那因為報告的東西蠻多的嘛來參加亞太經濟合作組織APEC第39次反貪腐極透明化工作會議去的是沈鳳梁副署長嗎?沈副署長有來嗎?他沒有來沒有來嗎?OK好,沒關係我下次有機會的時候再請教不好意思喔,再用一點時間,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 現在請陳俊宇委員
IVOD_ID 158233
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158233
日期 2024-12-19
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-36-20
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 20
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 36
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議
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開始時間 2024-12-19T09:19:31+08:00
結束時間 2024-12-19T09:45:54+08:00
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