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| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:00:17 - 10:09:51 |
| 影片長度 |
574 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
【僅進行詢答；第二案至第四案委員預算提案於12月25日中午12時前截止收件】【12月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝主席本席後請我們交通部陳部長陳部長我們觀光署周署長周署長委員好部長好部長現在在雙城論壇上海副市長到台灣來了是他說在雙城論壇上他宣布要推動什麼上海路客團來台灣是 |
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所以那到底誰禁止來?很清楚啦,他自己承認他禁止啦,所以他才要推動開放啊。沒錯啊。對不對?如果中國沒有禁止,那上海副市長為什麼說他要推動開放旅客團來台灣?是。那我再請教部長,中國禁止旅客團來台灣嗎?是不是這樣?中國有禁止。那禁止他們團客不能過來嗎?對,他們團客不能過來,沒有錯。 |
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那假設有假設他們有自由行的人那中國政府允許他們來台灣嗎?報告委員他們自由行的部分除了專案之外也是不允許的所以他們現在是團客跟自由行都不允許他們的國民來到台灣所以這個你要講清楚啊所以中國政府不允許他們的團客和自由行的到台灣來旅遊是不是這樣?沒錯沒有錯嘛那台灣的態度是怎麼樣? |
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我們其實對於觀光客我們都是歡迎,如果是有序的觀光我們都是非常的歡迎。台灣其實跟日本也是觀光逆差,台灣人喜歡到日本去, |
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但至少兩邊都是互相開放嗎?是,沒有錯,日本並沒有禁止他們的國民,無論是參加旅遊團或者是自由行來到台灣,他們是相當開放的。日本也沒有禁止日本人到台灣來觀光?沒有,沒有,完全沒有。其實任何國家開放觀光都應該這樣子啦,都應該互相開放嘛。 |
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但為什麼現在國內很多的包括旅遊工會啦、旅遊業者啦都認為、都誤解是我們禁止陸客來?你知不知道?報告委員齁,他們一直在...有很多人來找我們陳情我說你...我就跟他們講你搞錯對象了吧這個應該是去呼籲北京要開放你應該要請中國政府開放 |
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讓他們的團客甚至自由行的客人可以到台灣來你不是來要求我們要開放嗎?是不是這樣?是,報告委員我也一直在拜託我們的觀光業者或者是相關的工協會可以跟著我們一起來呼籲中國方面可以解除對於觀光上面政治的這個干擾跟政治上面的限制再比較一下嘛今年入客來台啊現在大概32萬人那台灣 |
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到中國旅遊的現在大概有230萬,所以是哪一邊限制這個很清楚嘛,是不是?現在去的非常多來的非常少。中國十幾億人怎麼可能只有三十幾萬人來台灣,他們幾乎都禁止了,所以現在是禁止,好啊,不管怎麼樣啦,那現在兩邊有沒有在談?兩邊有沒有在談開放? |
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這個部分其實不需要談,開放就是開放,像我們現在自由行的旅客可以過去,我們也不需要跟他談,我們自己就是開放。但是所謂的他們開放會有一些徵兆, |
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再來再請教一下 |
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現在我記得我幾年前有要求交通部要去注意一下現在很多人出國旅遊都會訂房了對不對都會透過網站去訂房但是在網路上你訂的房的旅館啦或者民宿啦其實政府是沒有辦法消費者也沒有辦法去分別到那這個民宿或者旅館你訂的是不是合法的 |
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市長民眾大概不知道但政府都會知道會知道嗎政府都會知道那知道為什麼讓非法的還在網上報告委員其實這個是地方政府要去查核但我們有跟他們配合到目前為止今年到目前為止查了才罰了一千三百多我講的是在罰了一億多我講的是在網上上面對對對 |
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在網站上面我我最早提出質詢是五年前我說因為啊你非法的旅宿業者啊第一個消費者權益也沒有保障萬一發生消費糾紛怎麼辦當時的交通部說他會道德勸說啦這些訂房的網站不要來刊登這些非法的旅宿業者 |
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然後交通部當時說他們會去想辦法解決這個問題。 |
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五年四、五年到現在請問還是一樣道德勸說嗎?沒有沒有,我稍微報告一下委員所關心的應該分兩個一個叫我們叫境內一個叫境外那這境外的部分比如說Airbnb境內境內你說的是網站是什麼樣的網站然後那個境內的部分我們都是都直接查處了那那個22個縣市政府他們都有表達說他預算有限啊什麼人力有限我們也也 |
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委員會主席 |
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你如果要到他的網站上,去看的房,你要有license,你要有營業登記才可以上。所以這些網站啊,不可以為了賺錢啊,來者不分青紅皂白啊,一點管理也沒有。難道觀光署有沒有什麼做法啊? |
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針對境外的部分,我們是跟速發部有保持聯繫了。聯繫了好幾年,還是在聯繫?聯繫中?沒有沒有沒有,有幾個具體的做法。什麼做法?對對,但是最重要的還是境內啦。境外的部分,那個速發部他們也覺得有些在法令上還在談。網站上的刊登廣告,地方政府沒有辦法啦。 |
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但地方政府他會去,我就用台,還有一些是真的是消費者啦,要特別注意,我都有license上去,我用市政府查獲的,台北市政府查獲的非法的旅宿業者名單,去各大網站搜尋都找得到,他還是廣告還是在上面,那你叫消費者分辨,怎麼去分辨? |
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消費者通常都在網站上訂嘛你如果來源管理你非法的業者不應該在上面可以營業嘛這最簡單的嘛 |
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我幫你查一下你的流量好不好? |
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你應該這個問題要解決吧你平台要下架非法旅宿啦好不好上架以前其實這些網路平台就應該審核你是不是有旅宿月的登記證號嘛 |
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當時交通部就表示要求要三個月內下架,其實這個下架只要一秒鐘就可以了,那時候都是交通部的承諾,然後要求境外的訂房網站, |
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在台灣要設立公司要落地才可以開啟業務來符合消費者權利為了教育糾紛的一個保障全部也沒做啊我跟你講這些所謂的非法的旅宿啦尤其這網路上面有一些齁都是黃賭賭啦所以詐騙機房啦以前都查獲過啦這是一個治安的死角啦 |
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請將觀光署處理下這個問題好不好。是,是,就持續在,在。好,謝謝區長喔。好,謝謝部長喔。好,謝謝署長。謝謝委員。好,謝謝主席。 |
| IVOD_ID |
158201 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158201 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-18T10:00:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-18T10:09:51+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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