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委員名稱 賴士葆
委員發言時間 16:03:45 - 16:19:16
影片長度 931
會議時間 2024-12-17T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第2會期第13次會議(事由:一、討論事項:本院國民黨黨團,建請院會作成決議:「勞動部前部長何佩珊及勞動力發展署北分署前分署長謝宜容應受嚴厲之譴責,並移送監察院及檢調單位,如情節重大者將撤職查辦,永不再任公職。」是否有當?請公決案等25案。(12月13日)二、同意權之行使事項:總統咨,依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定,提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長,許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長,邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗玲、黃東益、伊萬•納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員,咨請同意案。(12月17日上午)三、審計長列席報告中華民國112年度中央政府總決算審核報告案審核經過並備諮詢。(12月17日下午))
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 謝謝韓院長主席以及各位先生有請沈記長麻煩再請陳沈記長大家午安好沈記長我看你今天情形不錯
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 今天從開始到現在講一個大家關心的這個就業安定基金你說被不法使用有五千多萬
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 要追回請問你怎麼追回不是基金用途不合基金用途請問你怎麼追回因為我們會修正簡略不是不是簡略誰要負責這筆錢呢
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 因為他可能啊他有的時候我們來看這個事情啊修辦公室可能有的需要或者是做某一個事情需要我們整個我問的重點就是這筆錢是要叫這個勞動部賠把錢列掉還是叫許明春用的人賠
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 這一個初步我們會先做簡略那就是單位賠嘛他放在那個就業安地基金的他不合他的用途我們簡略那你簡略我們要請目前在請會請勞動部說明
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 沈機長啊你這樣胡攏大車啊這筆錢等於還是政府出啊被不當使用還是政府出啊我們要一個東西就是他不當使用用的人要賠這個比較重要啊啊你還是政府賠就一樣啦左手右手這個政府那個政府等於都沒人賠啊要人賠誰使用誰不當使用那個人要賠你同意嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 這個我們所有的要看財務責任是誰請問你同意嗎個人要賠你不當使用就要賠這一個因為賠不賠這一個要看整個整個損棄花線這個你說這個是他為他個人的當然是這個要我們就要剔除就要檢列
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 來 沈局長 你講一波 檢列的結果還是政府負責嘛所以等於是 等於是黑貓偷吃你殺白貓啊老百姓是白貓啊 啊這部會首長 這大官他有被用 結果你處罰也是處罰老百姓 這不公平啊 對不對 黑貓偷吃你打白貓變這樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 對不對,所以你這個糊弄大家啊我剛剛看了一下新聞,歐外情勒歐外情勒,說這樣審計長要抓這個五千萬結果你仔細一看,都是假因為什麼?還是政府出還是政府出所以啊,你要追到說這個錢誰不當使用那個人要把口袋的錢拿出來賠,這樣才有keeping可以做得到嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 這一個我們要看檢調還有看監察案整個調查結果因為我們沒有調查權你還是做不到來我問你一個東西啊要OLA SEBS
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 加拉丁美洲的吉加勒比海.最高的審計機關.我們國家106年.最後一次林慶榮.審計長.參加了.之後.沒有參加了.這麼重要的國際機構.拉丁美洲跟我們.很多的國家.跟我們有邦交國.而且明年又是巴拉圭.請問你要不要去.你要不要去.
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 報告委員這個因為去要有那個我們沒有參加上次前幾年是疫情所以大家就這一方面就停下來再來我們是去我們是發展到OECD歐美國家因為這個這個最高審計組織這個OnaSense這個是因為我們去了很多年了
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 你不去?我們去了很多年了這幾年都沒有啊因為去了很多年了那邊的國家的損濟狀況損濟方法我們都了解了現在我是參加我們請我的同仁到去巴黎去那個歐美去美國去參加OECD的你自己不去嗎?請問你自己不去嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 因為這個還是由同仁阿 年輕的同仁阿來參加為什麼林青龍就去他審計長就去阿 阿代表你不重視喔
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 我們現在中華民國能夠走出去的國際組織已經不多了如果能夠讓我們走出去代表我們的國家能夠走出去這是何等重要的事情
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 明年你要去聽說只不敢講而已我明年沒有要去都沒有要去確定沒有
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 我都沒有要去因為齁我認為年輕讓我們的年輕同仁阿出去的效益大於我沈記長出去沈記長不一樣阿你代表國家小看自己阿你是怕死喔
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 實際上這國際主持我們106年到現在都沒有參加了欸為什麼不去?當然要去啊而且去的話說不定可以用我們國號啊、立法會的簽啊或者台灣都可以用我們的名字去啊為什麼不可以?對不對這麼重要的結果我看你哈哈哈哈怎麼會這樣子呢?實際上光這一點啦
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 我就讓我對你的尊敬就鑑定一半了這成績長這樣不行喔不行喔來我們就看你主要的你的第二預備金我把你統計都是用你資料喔
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 第一奧義備金都在9月底10月開始申請可能有什麼事情不夠了錢不夠了要申請一個第一奧義備金結果欸戰爭勞坑毛坑不拉屎欸要了一大堆錢不用來來來我們看喔從110年到112年
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 最嚴重的是哪個單位:文化部的臺灣美術館:99.17%他要了100塊呀:99塊不用耶再來第二個單位:內政部預政署:99.6% 剩下的錢再來:法務部行政執政署:
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 省了96%再來行政院啊行政院今天做龍太鼓來啊行政院要一堆錢結果94%沒用再來主計總署喔要了一堆錢92%沒有用沈基昌你要查查看嗎你
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 你們要不要查?要不要查?會
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 因為這個我們的:謝謝委員:這個我們的:發現一年差不多有兩:動租完以後有兩三億就保留了每年都有兩三億了就是說這幾個單位啊第二預備金是救命的錢這幾個單位啊搶錢啦放在地上都沒用你看你看喔行政院卓榮泰帶頭對不對他上一屆不是卓榮泰啦
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 陳、陳、陳什麼的,陳建仁,帶頭做不好的示範啊,要了100塊,只用了不到6塊,對不對,剩94天多,你看,文化部,要了100塊,用不到1塊錢,用不到1塊錢,法務部也是這樣,要100塊,用了4塊,不到4塊錢,
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 內政部預證署要100塊不到1塊錢用不到1塊錢欸怎麼會有這樣的單位啊要錢要5塊口袋啊5錢啊反正你放那裡結果都沒用啊搶錢兩費啊阿用錢補費會更奇怪勒委員講得很好我們會要求行政院改善
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 要講行政院這行政院做得不好嗎行政院做得不好嗎對不對也不是說那個應該住住法律的住住啊就是說監衛動租第二批先第一條第一款就是監衛不服使用還動租了以後還保留這個這個現象不正常什麼時候可以完成調查跟糾正什麼時候一個月內
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 兩個禮拜可以啦 一個月那麼好啊因為 要我 現在啊 委員要我調查 要我審計的 非常的多啊所以喔 看看很重要很重要 聽我 來來來 你是管省局長管錢怎麼使用喔結果我們這幾年 政府都說 不可以給地方政府財化法喔 你們要錢喔 怎麼樣公告來給你們廢修署啊
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 你看喔2021年﹐稅金剩餘2,979億
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 快要3000億喔2022年4993億快要5000億2023年2790億快要3000億可見這幾年我還查2020、2019每一年的稅金剩餘都是2500到5000億可見的什麼意思我都給你了封好了預算都通過了你中央之心不安把這個錢切下來
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 垂直分配給地方政府不是好歸好歸根本在什麼歐北亂共什麼哎呦不得了喔喔這個才挖挖一份的垂直分配中央沒有錢喔國王沒有錢喔這樣胡說八道中央每年剩的錢稅計剩餘就剩了2500到5000億之多
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 所以這些錢垂直分配給地方政府岸平好誰好誰岸平好誰好誰來沈機長我這樣的講話有沒有錯你告訴我有沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 中央這幾年都有稅金剩餘但是地方我們查的地方112年度它的統計起來加起來也有560億的剩餘所以我們的財政在逐步改善中都會很好沒有回答我問題我問你說中央都這幾年來有2500億到5000億用不完用不完用不完那就給地方政府用
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 這個很重要才化法要修錢在這裡錢在哪裡在這裡不是亂講一通什麼這個就沒有錢了國外沒有錢每年都剩了2500億到5000億你看2022年剩了快5000億了
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 錢用不完啦!錢用不完啦!所以才劃滑!垂直分配!中央給地方2500億到5000億!天經地義!天公地道!你說對不對?
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transcript.whisperx[37].end 827.573
transcript.whisperx[37].text 財務要考量中央還有地方的財政狀況剛剛講中央現在不錯地方也不錯但是在劃分的時候錢和事務也要一起考量有時候一個龍水路的問題它會跑到中央來
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 沈記長我問你都紮紮實實的問題啊你回答我都是天馬行空啊都歐北這樣歐陵勢動啊勢戰勢戰不能這樣子啦沈記長最後一題啊我們來看喔政府的潛在負債啊你看多嚴重啊勞保12兆我還客氣的救治的軍工教3.2兆
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transcript.whisperx[39].end 881.986
transcript.whisperx[39].text 公務人員退伏基金2.9兆公保700多億、軍保200多億、農保1.2兆1.2億、中央地方政府19.2兆中央都沒有錢了,哪裡有錢來補助臺電啊臺電2000億砍著啊,天經地義而且臺電的經濟部長啊還居然說什麼,ㄟ柏齊萬斤啊,我可以去借錢我可以借錢你是不是贊成2000億不要給他
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 他有幫他去借錢了他借很多錢了他說他去借錢了他已經借很多錢了他給他借再都不愁再都不借因為他大家都就是能源對國家相當重要大家以國家整體為念今天我問你因為我時間快到了是不是因為我們錯誤的人權政策讓我們台電虧損能力對吧這句話
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 一個虧損啦,就已經錯綜複雜了,包括了...
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日期 2024-12-17
會議資料.會議代碼 院會-11-2-13
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 13
會議資料.種類 院會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期第13次會議
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開始時間 2024-12-17T16:03:45+08:00
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