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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:48:07 - 14:00:19 |
| 影片長度 |
732 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長、考試院、行政院人事行政總處針對「所屬機關有關霸凌事件之調查檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝英明的召集人。我們請部長。部長,延續剛剛的議題,文化、健康、造福源跟儲供,其實這個你應該可以很放心的 |
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來答應因為尤其我們在城市中的城市還是有很多人需要照顧所以如果說依照這個比例3%這個在我們整個的通盤來講這個是完全必須的 |
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所以你剛才還是沒有辦法很直接的回答你所謂盡快盡快盡快那你總是要有一個day night時間點在哪裡讓人家有所準備跟依歸可就可不可就不可你會盡快盡快盡快快快快快快到什麼時候 |
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好。我想...最重要的考慮點是怎麼樣?我想一定有... |
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或不加加加幾趴沒有這樣子只告訴我們充分的給你們研議那什麼時候可以告訴人家嗎現在是12月底中啊對啊現在已經12月中了嘛對啊12月底好了市長在對不對你要告訴人家嘛這樣大概這樣子沒有答案不行啊 |
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多久時間?請告訴我們時間。剛剛部長說要回答12月底。沒關係,請你告訴我們時間。一個快快快一個趕快,你加一個趕。 |
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那到底你告訴我們時間沒關係你告訴我時間這個真的是牽一髮動全身喔牽一髮動全身你告訴我時間啦沒關係啦謹慎來衡量啦謹慎來衡量我請問我們什麼時候可以得到答案報告委員我們會謹慎來衡量啊本來是快快快趕快現在謹慎很大沒關係你應該要有來部長你請回答部長 |
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我們大家理性討論但是你還要一個時間因為一再講再講完全沒有一個時間點我們如果只要求時間點都要求都聽不到那我們接下來怎麼咨詢沒關係我們那個可以或不可以啊不可以是這個原因對啊對啊你有當過民意代表你就知道背景的處處我想我們在12月底來 |
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接下來部長我要跟你討論霸凌的事情事主袁紹 |
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那你這次的調查報告呢就好像繼續放火你的八件裡頭只有三件成立而且都是非主管的在處分那麼司長級的都輕輕放過在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教是不是在重點霸凌這個霸凌文化基層的公務人員要繼續來煎熬 |
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我相信你絕對沒有那個心所以本席要求你公佈調查報告因為不斷的資訊在你的報告當中根本是沒有的所以你要重啟調查一一來說明否則我看社會大眾跟國會都沒有辦法接受欸 |
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部長您的看法呢?本期贊同!贊同這個方向!你們剛剛有做決議!那本期要了解! |
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那我就到委員報告室報告我們一定要好好的保護需要被保護的人嘛當然當然部長 |
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這個錄音帶都已經被揭露了我相信你聽過了你們必須要先自殺你等人家來他殺你要先自殺一定要先表示你的誠意還有一個要自殺還要先表示誠意的這些調查的結果是說什麼不當的比喻傷不勾成霸凌這種話都講得出來部長 |
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請做說明。 |
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嗯,我想這個用詞是的確非常不適當那但是據我據了解齁那個當時是在講一個案件如果你不好好的自己意思說自己把它弄好你就是等別人來去報告的時候會被別人來修理嘛所以它的用詞是比較極端你認為是極端的用詞但是絕對怎麼不可長官不可能叫人家去自殺他殺這件事情所以你的錄音帶 |
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他的影音呈現是如此叫人家自殺還要先表示誠意這是哪門子的說法 |
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所以資訊越來越多,部長,資訊越來越多,你應該要把這個調查,好好的調查清楚。本期剛剛在聽到你的答詢當中,你站起來說,在處理臨時提案的時候,你站起來說,該調查的都要調查,要調查的水落石出,這是你說的嘛,對不對? |
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一定要好好查清楚,勿縱勿枉一定要查清楚接下來本席要跟你討論你們的報告內容說這個霸凌申訴人必須要具名以言辭或書面提出行政院的霸凌平台也是這麼說也要具名所以本席要說要具名第一個要麼表示我們的行政能力盲目無能 |
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發言委員：楊瓊瓔 |
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也要調查嗎?所以不需要具名嗎?是不是?對啊,我們這8案應該大部分都沒有具名請問,你們不需要具名嗎?是不是?不需要具名的我們現在也都納入調查所以也是要具名?不用啊到底要不要具名?匿名的我們也調查那要不要具名? |
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所以本席要告訴你 |
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這一次霸凌案之所以能夠在網路上面廣泛的討論就是因為他有匿名性才能夠被廣泛的討論那媒體跟調查單位他可以有線索去查 |
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甚至也有人發文啊他也有人發文說明確的說他在公務體系但是如果讓我具名我根本不敢出面舉證或者陳情對不對你也知道嘛你當上民意代表你也知道啊行政院也有說只要有媒體有報導或者信息相關信息我們都是要查要處理的 |
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所以我們一個答案現在行政院的霸凌平台是要拒名我也告訴他們你們要改第二個我們現在可以確認你為何不雖然說希望拒名但是不拒名的、匿名的你們也會有舉證的對當然就是說你們這樣子的情況也要調查對不對這個要理清楚喔那你要去思考 |
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到現在你婉轉的說如果是沒有匿名的但是有實際這個實際狀況者可尋者那你們都會調查那你要去考慮也要告訴行政院我衛福部都可以這麼做了幹嘛你行政院也要匿名啊行政院長有這樣指示啊行政院長有這樣指示可是他的霸凌平台是要具名那你要告訴他那個霸凌平台的具名要拿掉你跟他很好你告訴他 |
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我想這個...對不對?因為講的跟做的文字是一樣啊!有是依法辦理以外我們會強化它的一個...那你要告訴行政院長啊,你跟他很好我知道你要告訴他,我們都可以匿名都可以接受,如果有實證都可以接受你要告訴他,我們行政院做的一套跟你做的又不一樣啊! |
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但是我們現部衛福部是只要有施政的有施政不需要具名就可以查我們確認這一點非常好因為我也可以理解公務單位是怕說爛樹爛茶打擊到無辜這個本性也可以了解但是我們有政府的目的不就是為了可以查明真相嗎 對不對 |
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所以在這種情況之下需要被保護的人對那需要被保護的人一定要保護他們對不對這一定要的所以我本期要在這裡跟你說明現在你們認為要不要去修法要不要去修法 |
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要不要去修法因為目前霸凌的這個案子還沒有很明確的法所以經過了這麼痛苦的個案經過了這麼痛苦的個案我們應該可以專案去研擬 |
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去組一個team去研擬到底這個認定是怎麼樣認定本市也不希望社會大眾一直質疑我們政府本市更不希望我們所有的公務人員有被霸凌而無處沒有申訴的管道 |
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對不對?你一直點頭你絕對認同本席的說法。當然當然。 對不對?所以呢本席也希望也就是在這樣的一個情況之下我們是不是應該要應該要去來做修訂法律。請教。剛剛為 |
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對,剛剛委員所提的這樣的一個我們經過了經歷了這樣的慘痛的教訓對啊我們總要讓職場更好跟社會更好這個是我們會在權者方面來跟權者的機關你是組一個team嗎好好的去演繹讓大家可以放心來討論嘛也就是修訂那個法律可以讓所有的工作 |
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有權者,所以讓大家都能夠,讓工作者大家都能夠放心啊。謝謝,這是我們一起努力的目標。最少他是一個合組作用嘛,對不對?一定要往這個方向改善。好,所以就組一個team好好的去研擬,好不好?好,我們本身也會來衛福部那一面也會來精進。對。也會跟各個牽扯單位大家來互相研議。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。 |
| IVOD_ID |
158181 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158181 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-14 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-16T13:48:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-16T14:00:19+08:00 |
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