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| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:37:08 - 13:47:42 |
| 影片長度 |
634 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)
三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案。
【所列預算案，僅詢答，113年12月9日下午5時截止收案】
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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八年。好,謝謝主席。主席請一下紅部長。好,在馬浪紅部長。 |
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部長好。部長您臨危受命大概就是首先要處理的就是霸凌案那看起來在公務部門的霸凌的情況也不僅限於勞動部那我個人覺得呢部長來接了以後最重要的任務跟使命就是各項基金的改革 |
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就安基金是這樣子啊就安基金其實對於勞動部管理的基金算起來算是冰山一角啊只要人沒有問題其實就安基金基本上比較不會有大的問題就安基金就是用途上現在的規定可能有一些 |
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蓋掛規定那最主要呢就是主事者啊把他當成的心態主事者只要心態把他當成是最安全專用的款項就不會惹出這麼多的討論告示勞保勞保的問題非常大那部長也曾經在這個委員會待了4年 |
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我想今天利用這個機會跟部長來聊一聊談一談勞保年改的問題。勞保的收支缺口其實是一年比一年大。政府撥補到今年已經第5年了。 |
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撥補金額從每年的兩千億到每年的兩百億到每年的一千三百億等於佔了勞動部公務預算的四成有學者精算在任何費率都不變化的情況下到2030年啊也就是洪部長假如像許民春是一個長命的部長你就會遇得到 |
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先不要笑我這個是很嚴肅2030年勞保缺口會突破3000億3000億是什麼概念呢3000億就是你勞動部明年一整年的公務預算那我幾個問題請教部長第一就是本席已經把政府擔負最終支付責任 |
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的修法條文已經提案了。部長贊不贊成? |
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跟姚委員報告齁現在政策上面就是政府在負追蹤支付責任對追蹤負責任政策上就是對呃不管修法立有修法跟沒修法現在都是我們的政策就是這樣可是政策會隨著會隨著欸政黨改變對所以具體明文的話部長的態度是什麼樣呃我我自己覺得可以正向的討論好那 |
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就是為什麼我對於這一項立法提案非常的重視是因為事關超過一千萬的勞工的生活安定啊不只就業安定啊生活也要安定啊每天勞保都會 |
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每隔一段時間就有人出來市警勞保快要倒了所以我們我覺得還是要具體的立法比較好那我再問部長 |
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你認為撥補是勞保改革的唯一方式嗎?撥補是各種維持基金水位的方法之一。那除了這個以外部長覺得有什麼改革方向? |
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其實這幾年在勞保基金我們的包括我們很多的投資上面的效益其實也是蠻好的那也包括在納保或者是給付上面的審核這幾個部分其實這幾年我們都有在做一些精進所以這些不同的做法裡面其實我不會去說勞保基金沒有危機可是也讓這個勞保基金目前的這個所 |
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所﹑他所存﹑存量的這個水位其實確實有在提高那各種做法我們都不會放棄。好。部長覺得費率調整調高你贊不贊成?目前不管費率調整也好或砍幾副目前在政治上面我們都還沒有考慮到這個。砍幾副的部分本席以為 |
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公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算． |
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所以函年金是不可能啦那調整費率你也不考慮目前還沒有那退休年齡勒?強制退休年齡也就是延後退休根委員報告現在是這個是誰?保險司的市長現在我們本來從98年14年金開始我們就逐步提高嘛那今年113年就是64歲 |
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那到115年的時候就停了嘛65歲就停了嘛我現在意思就是說會不會再延後你們的政策怎麼樣政策是市長講還是部長講 |
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跟現在目前確實我們在這做法裡面就是撥補然後希望能夠再提高投資的效益跟剛才說的納保跟幾副相關的 投資的效益啊那我那我直接直接直接跟跟部長談一下投資效益過去這5年啊108年到112年臺灣的加錢指數 |
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不算殖利率還原喔。就是每年平均3%的殖利率還原不算。家權指數增加了13%。勞保基金的受益 |
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是7.5%勞退薪制啊就是你們很常會發新聞稿或者是媒體經常披露的每個帳戶可以領多少錢才加減指數的不到一半啊6.5啊 |
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那部長很顯然的就是其他的改革面向全部不做考慮那要談基金的運作效應效率我剛剛已經把數據給部長你覺得這樣子的效率好嗎我現在不是說我能夠了解我先講喔 |
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我可以理解基金的管理因為涉及太多面向所以必須要比較保守這個我確實在一些項目上面我沒有辦法這麼靈活可是呢從另外一個角度看就基金基金 |
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相對於一般的投資大眾是比較沒有壓力的投資者。懂我意思嗎?我覺得你們會不會太過保守?或者是說因為時間的關係我不大想佔用太多時間相關的問題 |
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我會持續的跟部長座談我就是今天就要求部長回去檢討看看看看有沒有因為部長剛剛的說明就是整個勞保改革大概你所想要改的就只有增加基金的運作效率那你怎麼去精進 |
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是希望它能夠穩健的累積。 |
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這是因為這涉及到很多這個投資到這個納保納保人的這個相關的權益。不過是這樣子啊。我知道你們要小心啊。不過我跟我最後跟部長溝通的觀念就民進黨執政以來 |
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經常呼籲社會大眾投資人要安心相關單位也經常對臺灣的民眾做宣示整體經濟發展審慎樂觀同一個政府裡面其他的單位一直看好臺灣 |
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那作為執政的一部分的勞動部為什麼這麼不相信這個問題部長可以下一次再回答好謝謝部長謝謝主席非常謝謝楊耀委員的發言謝謝部長 |
| IVOD_ID |
158058 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158058 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-09T13:37:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-09T13:47:42+08:00 |
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