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委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
委員發言時間 |
12:47:15 - 12:57:35 |
影片長度 |
620 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)
三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案。
【所列預算案,僅詢答,113年12月9日下午5時截止收案】
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】) |
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謝謝有請部長請黃部長部長我想勞團現在說要絕食抗議齁我還是再一次問你你會現場去接見請您他們的訴求嗎請您就實回答會跟不會 |
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現在我們會先來吧我知道你要去做改革的事情但是我所在意的是你會不會出席會不會去接見他們我們會來關心那所以你會本人去關心嗎我們會來關心對不起你會本人去關心嗎我們會來關心對不起喔我覺得你的回應都是在迴避就跟他們絕食抗議的內容一樣為什麼不能就我的回答我要求你來回答我的一個問題我覺得喔 |
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我所看到的你在之前勞團所做抗議的時候你去現場去做一個對話到現在你做部長了人走茶樑拜託有必要這樣嗎?委員部長您說關心是你本人會去關心嗎?委員我們會把現在大家關心的這些訴求那你願不願意現場接見?我會來關心你會不會現場接見?請聽他們心聲我們會來關心 |
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我覺得當了五年的立委現在轉任勞動部部長我覺得真的不需要這樣子你本身不是這樣的人但是這個官僚這樣子迴避問題我覺得沒辦法接受我們沒有迴避問題我們會來關心你可不可以承諾我直接去關心他們現場去傾聽他們接受他們的意見我們當然會來關心部長我不跟你耗這個議題現在勞保2028年要破產你有什麼想法 |
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請那個委員跟委員說來我直接講喔你要請人上來就你都沒關係那個部長我可以說我可以說我先做說明那你先回答我嘛好不好你不要直接今年今年的這個勞保基金的水位已經破兆了那確實這幾年因為撥補也包括基金的投資的收益的表現比預想中來的好 |
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但是整個勞保說勞保破產跟勞保危機這個問題我們還是非常非常神聖在看待我都知道部長我想軍公教還有這個勞工現在我們大家都很關心先請問一下部長上週是司法法治委員會排審公務人員退休之前的撫恤法 |
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那我想這一個進度我先不問你了因為你不是跟這個司法法制有關係喔但是部長當初年改修改後可以延後一個世代140年根據全區部上週四的報告如果按照啊蘭委所提出的版本啊通過以後退服基金用慶將提早4到5年發生喔 |
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當初民進黨、深圳、澳大利亞、網軍、污名整個公務人員、然後煞有其事的由副總統主持軍公教年改委員整個大工程完以後只延後4到5年破產。部長請問一下我先問你勞保精算哪時候會再出爐?下一次的。出稿出來了嗎?年底就會出爐。出稿出來了嗎? |
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委員好跟委員報告因為今年是精算那現在精算是正在做最後的一個期末報告的修正好所以你們都還不能夠拿出正確的一個數字啦沒關係我就我手頭上目前最新的2021年的精算報告來問2021年精算報告是哪時候破產可以回答我嗎 |
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公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案例 |
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我先補充幾個資訊齁按照這幾年其實包括因為波普包括投資收益的增加二零二八年的這個數字看起來是很有機會會往後再延後的但這不代表沒有危機我要說這不代表沒有危機 |
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三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算:僅 |
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那請問部長民進黨修法後軍工交到140年破產目的是要保障一個世代的公平正義那如果勞保也要到140年破產請問一下需要撥補多少錢140年 |
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我想幾千億幾千億的撥補就是現在的政策啦但是我要講的是最後還是破產所以到底是不是打假球我們要的改革是能夠勇士的我們要的改革是能夠大幅度的可是現在看到了你當立委也支持軍公教要改革 |
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勞保可以撥補那為什麼當初軍工叫改革撥補不行為什麼勞保現在不敢召開年改委員會答案就是政治考量勞保要破產了病症已經非常嚴重了這八年來都不敢送改革方案只有撥補一圖為什麼不敢送一切都是因為選舉所以我希望勞保司的司長 |
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勞保2028年我們就2021年的精算喔你有做這樣子的一個事務官的一個責任喔勞保年改的重要幕僚請問部長講的這些外我們師長能不能給予其他的一些解決方案喔又或者給部長一些建議呃我 |
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你有沒有建議啦?直接說有或沒有啦?跟我們報告喔,我們現在做了撥補,我們會持續辦理。好啦,會後有些實際的建議方案喔,具體給我書面報告啦。那我想問喔,這個救安基金為什麼是勞動部的小金庫?也是行政院的小金庫?小金庫之名是怎麼來的?我們來了解一下,答案就是亂用嘛。 |
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用途、名目、亂七八糟。部長我想問一下為什麼移民署查緝移工的獎金又編在救安基金裡面?跟文說明因為這跟移工的管理有關。我想法定職長的一個業務為什麼不回到移民署自己去編列預算?如果說移民署查緝外籍移工的獎金就用救安基金那移民署所有的人員薪水因為他們也在查緝移工啊他們要不要也編在救安基金裡面? |
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部長我們這個PTT後續我要先請你看一下你在2020年就發現救安基金被勞動部亂用拿去支付律師費是否現在問題是依舊我要說明的事情是第一個剛才在講到這個查緝移工的對不起我現在問你這個律師費現在救安基金是不是還在支應是不是還有嗎 |
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還是問不出來到現在每次救安基金上次我才在罵救安基金必考題你們到現在還不知道2020年就發現救安基金有問題從2020到2024欸紅部長你身為立委的時候你發現他有問題你做了哪些處置你有杯葛預算嗎還是護航預算這一則貼文寫到經過許多朝野立委的溝通跟要求認為勞動部在溝通後轉變是一個好的開始請問部長當下 |
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好的開始是什麼?那現在他還沒有再來跟勞工打官司? |
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我想用律師費這應該要一併檢討那律師費的部分到底有多少用在這邊是不是細項讓我知道一下有多少的救安基金還用在各個律師費的指引上我想救安基金就像魔戒大家都說不好可是不好然後又還一直用一直亂用 |
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審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務:一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務.僅 |
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而我覺得關於救安基金有多少用在比方說用在訴訟的過程這部分我們當然可以來做一個整理但我當時提出來的事情是因為這筆錢用在跟勞工打官司而我覺得我認為救安基金的使用應該是要站在 |
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謝謝你的補充我聽到了但是我要講的是之前也有其他的委員對於救安基金各個細項能不能公開我們都予以關心喔所以我想我是認同的我希望救安基金所有的使用細項能夠因此而公開讓全民知道這部分您可以承諾嗎 |
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跟委員說明齁在中央基金的這個整體的管理機制的檢討我們正在進行那我自己認為就資訊的揭露上面我認為我們可以做更多做更多包括公開細項我覺得我們可以做更多 |
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你就是在迴避問題嗎?只求對決讓全民知道你敢不敢公開?委員我沒有在迴避我現在正在面對這個問題我知道但是你不能每一次都說我可以做更多我可以關心但是你的關心程度到多少?你的具體項目是什麼?能不能公開?能不能實際上公開?委員我們正在檢討這件事情我知道你有在檢討然後我自己在態度上認為是可以公開更多 |
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但執行面會處理到什麼程度這當然我覺得我們一些執行的細節上面我還要跟業務單位再做一些討論你這樣子詳細的說明我可以接受嘛可是你剛剛就直接說我可以來討論我們會來關心我不希望有這樣子的回答 |
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三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算:僅 |
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日期 |
2024-12-09 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-13 |
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11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
13 |
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26 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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2024-12-09T12:47:15+08:00 |
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2024-12-09T12:57:35+08:00 |
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