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| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:40:03 - 14:51:24 |
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681 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等31人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員賴士葆等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員張智倫等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員張嘉郡等23人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員賴士葆等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條、第三十八條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員邱鎮軍等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（八）國民黨黨團擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員林思銘等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳超明等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員許宇甄等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）委員黃健豪等18人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十三）委員張智倫等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三條、第八條及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十四）委員馬文君等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十五）委員傅崐萁等21人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十六）委員王鴻薇等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十七）委員黃建賓等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十八）委員陳玉珍等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十九）委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（二十）委員羅智強等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查
（一）委員李彥秀等18人擬具「公務人員任用法第三十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等22人擬具「公務人員任用法第二十八條之一條文修正草案」案。） |
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麻煩部長最近很多民調,你有看最近在討論說軍工價這個退休人員會不會砍得太兇,你有看最近那些民調嗎? |
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大概大致上維持2比1吧認為砍太兇的差不多該停了認為繼續砍的大概2比1這是最新民調的趨勢特別是台灣民眾黨做的對於警察人員警察跟警消他們認為砍太多了這個比例不能再砍這個比例非常非常的高另外我們兩個都夠老了啦欸博定 |
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三（委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案． |
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公務人員能服務35年的很少欸我看在座今天很多來的這個公務員能夠考進去公務員又可以35年退休很少欸你是35年你才有可以從從80%開始算結果民進黨把他從75%開始算你如果服務只有30年你從67.5%開始看你如果服務只有25年 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等16人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等16人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案． |
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撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫 |
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好 那我現在問一個最重要的問題等一等五令如果照本來考試立刻進行的前續部長考試院是主管機關也是最專業的嘛回到考試院這個版本今年是第六年嘛 對不對應該只有砍了5%啊可是現在砍多少 |
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現在一開始從75%已經5%砍在那邊了經過5年又砍了7.5%已經砍了12.5%了欸比考試院當初提出來的10年還多欸這樣對嗎?這樣會不會太狠了一般的公務員現在退休因為民進黨多數當初通過了這個我會算一次給大家看 |
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本來照今年是第六年那應該只有砍了5%一年1%對不對民進黨把80%的基準變成75%再加一年1.57.5就12.5啦比你考試院本來提的版本要砍十年的還狠所以是不是該停這是一個很重要的一個點第二個更重要我要提醒大家我為什麼一直在講考試院版 |
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考試院是我們的主管機關阿他當初有做財政會不會破產財務評估有評估嘛對不對阿現在董事長考試院出來的版本不會破產現在考試院來的人欸考試院是五錢分立獨立機關欸現在是民進黨執政民進黨所謂破產科技營業家都會破產你們回去看看當初你們提的我定答應我一件事情不是只有你請考試院所有人 |
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回忆看看當初考試院提出來的財務的評估當初用比較溫和的80%一年1%十年以後不會破產為什麼現在搞到 砍斷都為什麼會破產沒有合理啊好 更重要的 保定我要問你問題當初為什麼 保定我問你再來當初為什麼要當初為什麼要大砍經過這樣的年金財政說有問題嘛 對不對你也是專家 |
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現在財政有困難嗎?最近這幾年每年都超收對不對?每個人領到6千塊啊 |
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最近這五年平均操作的金額大家知道多少嗎?有時候操作幾百億,有時候操作四千多億、五千多億最近這五年平均操作多少錢?大致上一年,最近五年一年平均操作多少?大家知道這個數字嗎?大概幾千億吧?兩千七百億這個是為什麼台灣民眾黨這次說要裁劃法要修正的時候,中央下放給地方的,中央不會受到影響 |
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經過這幾年財政沒有困難嘛對不對?我覺得這是兩個層次的問題啦一個是基金本身的財務跟國家的財務是兩個不同的面向啦那當初的討論是基金的財務如果不做改革真的會有困難欸 寶定你會覺得那個前勞動部部長何培昌怎麼說? |
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撫卹法第十四條條文修正草案．一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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三（委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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這是第一項對不對第二個你拿去跟勞工比勞工撥補比你多那麼多你身為全市部部長你為什麼不去幫退休薪工交給立正呢我想我們在過程裡面對新制的缺口都有跟行政院充分的說明說 |
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三（委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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法定人數不足 |
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488.071 |
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所以我想這也是一種撥補啊所以我沒有說你不能夠撥補可是部長有沒有撥得太多了你五年你聽我說你五年現在今天有個關鍵字欸都2700億啊你說你五年省了2700億嘛對不對你現在說不能夠停下來喔停下來未來五年又少了2700億我現在就要跟你講你剛剛講這個大水庫是小水庫嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
509.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
510.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
533.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
533.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
三）委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
559.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
564.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
三）委員張智倫等16人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
586.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
605.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這段時間光從106年算好了算到111年用特別預算大部分都擠債了兩兆兩千多億欸中華民國進度感冒進所以保證我們兩個是老朋友啊我們都是都過老了啦好不好我剛講的東西很簡單我講的一般民眾應該都聽得懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
607.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
625.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
中華民國政府不是沒錢你從這張政府總預算成長七年來成長快兩倍每年超收五年來每一年超收平均起來2700億人家更重要了人家勞動部長說多麼的力在爭取啊你是全區部長喔都去爭取這個回來好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
626.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
628.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
652.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
678.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
能夠不要再砍或者是用什麼方式一定要讓他們活得有尊嚴好不好然後他們的晚年所惜不能夠再受到影響了好不好也讓我們年輕人一方面是勞工有受到勞工也受到保障的同時讓我們年輕人也願意進到這個政府體系來阿不然老實講像現在很多金融很多金融家有時候都招生都招不出欸那個整個那個來來要進這個體系的人越來越少也不是中華民國之福好不好欸保定 請多多努力好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
679.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
681.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案。 |
| IVOD_ID |
157911 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157911 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-18 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T14:40:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T14:51:24+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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