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| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:29:53 - 13:39:17 |
| 影片長度 |
564 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等31人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員賴士葆等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員張智倫等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員張嘉郡等23人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員賴士葆等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條、第三十八條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員邱鎮軍等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（八）國民黨黨團擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員林思銘等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳超明等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員許宇甄等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）委員黃健豪等18人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十三）委員張智倫等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三條、第八條及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十四）委員馬文君等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十五）委員傅崐萁等21人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十六）委員王鴻薇等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十七）委員黃建賓等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十八）委員陳玉珍等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十九）委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（二十）委員羅智強等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查
（一）委員李彥秀等18人擬具「公務人員任用法第三十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等22人擬具「公務人員任用法第二十八條之一條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝召委,有請我們司部長。 |
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撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案案．一）立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具 «公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案．一）委員張智倫等16人擬具 «公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案．一）委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案．一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具 |
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撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案．一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案．一）委員張智倫等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案． |
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三）委員張智倫等19人擬具 «公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案 |
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撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案案．一）委員賴士葆等一）委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具 «公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案》案。 |
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三）委員張智倫等19人擬具 |
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所以這就限於兩難啊,就實在很難找到,所以缺口就是只好納稅人的錢來補了。您就是叫做抱歉說,我如果現在是在職的公教人員的話,你說我現在去提高,或者說我現在都不用提高,我繳的錢我一直繳一直繳,然後就變成以退休的人全部他給拿走,到最後整個基金、錢、水庫不見了,哪通呢? |
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這不通嘛 這就是所謂的世代正義的一個問題嘛那其他的在海黨的朋友他怎麼會不知道呢我們在2022年我們做過並提高反正這個一個提撥啊在今年一月份我們回應整個物價指數又調高了4%那你變成說總計政府提撥進口提高了6%那也就是說按照現行規範退休公務人員確實考量到消費物價指數去做一個調整 |
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所以今天這個其他不同意見的朋友講這個就有點言過其實但是呢本席他特別指出來了就是說除非你認為說這一些退休金這個部分你認為它是一個遞研的一個工資否則你說在職的你說一個在職的調薪退休的也跟著這樣去做一個調薪的話 |
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這個我難想像這個我聽了是真的有一個一頭霧水啊這普通的看法呢沒有錯啦那個其實大法官已經解釋說退休金本來就不是低延工資因為我也不認為退休金是低延工資那當然那裡面有一部分是優惠存款年資的補償等等國家提供的優待啊不是這樣子嗎 |
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三（委員張智倫等19人擬具 |
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公務人員退休資遣撫卹法 |
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這兩朋友重新再提出來啊我覺得博登你應該有很大的一個感慨啦就是說本來大家在想說年金破產看有沒有辦法變成一個歷史的一個名詞一個健全的一個制度的一個讓他體質更好那讓所有的讓每一個年輕的軍公教人員都可以確定領到退休這個其實在我們台灣我們這個改革已經是展開啦那今天這個法案其實啊 |
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這個把他當成是一個對執政黨發起的一個公法其實大可不必這個反而是對未來世代的一個挑戰我覺得這是一個挑戰所以呢以今天來看的話我看到今天這裡修法的一個狀況這我對你感慨一定是萬千嘛阿不然我們想說那時候我們在說公務人員退休的制度收支本來不足的年度是2019基金用完是2031 |
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交易人員的部分收支不足年度是2018,用完是到2029,均值的保運利潤工2011就不夠,用完的算是2020。 |
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我們卻改革了公交人員退伍基金的一個提撥率降低了所得替代率還有終結十八八的優惠這樣的一個存款那最後也成功地避免年金財政上走上破產之路啊看著今天這個你做會期怎麼委託這阿貝尼你現在變全序部部長總結你要怎麼看 |
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因為我也參與過這一段歷史那時候在學校也曾經知道這些事情那我知道這些改革本身它對任何一個當事人當然越退休所得都會減少但是我還是要講這個越退休所得的減少部分大部分是來自18%的優惠存款那這個是社會上有很大很大不一樣的看法 |
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那我覺得我們現在重新在2017年以後這樣一個修法一個方式一個像它是一個延續性的一個工程那我還是建議呢應該持續這個延續性的工程才能穩健這個基金讓現在還沒有退休的人跟已經退休的人都可以繼續呢受到這個基金的一個照顧是啦尤其這2700多億年改後退伍基金節省下來預租的一個金額 |
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這一些不是國家要把它拿來亂花啦不是要把它拿來亂花同樣是依住在整個基金裡面我真的很擔心說現在去停止去調降所得替代率以後那你原本可以延長到整個退伍基金的一個運作到本來預期是到2051年嘛2051年那現在修法完了以後對整個國家財政的一個風險無底洞而且像我剛剛提到了 |
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會跟另外一個世代在做挑戰。」這個我在這邊期待各個政黨大家其實都要善思啦好謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157898 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157898 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-18 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T13:29:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T13:39:17+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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