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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:02:08 - 13:16:30 |
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862 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等31人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員賴士葆等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員張智倫等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員張嘉郡等23人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員賴士葆等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條、第三十八條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員邱鎮軍等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（八）國民黨黨團擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員林思銘等26人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳超明等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員許宇甄等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）委員黃健豪等18人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十三）委員張智倫等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三條、第八條及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十四）委員馬文君等20人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十五）委員傅崐萁等21人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十六）委員王鴻薇等25人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十七）委員黃建賓等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十八）委員陳玉珍等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十九）委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（二十）委員羅智強等16人擬具「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查
（一）委員李彥秀等18人擬具「公務人員任用法第三十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等22人擬具「公務人員任用法第二十八條之一條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請我們的權敘部施能傑施部長公務人員退休撫卹基金管理局陳局長那還有我們的內政部消防署的鄭主任鄭主任 |
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三位好第一個針對有關於公務人員在辦公室自殺身亡現在依法可不可以辦理因公服序 |
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跟委員報告我們現在有一個程序任何因公撫蓄都是由機關提報以後送到部裡面那部裡面會有專案小組這一項的做法是這樣由專案小組來認定但是我還是跟委員補充報告過去我們自殺一般是就當成病故死亡例上是這樣講的我們接下來往後看因為讓整個社會都非常難過非常悲憤 |
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我們勞動部勞發署北分署的公務員因為在職場遭受了霸凌不幸輕生了當時在11月19號的時候我們的勞動部說他們肯定他的勞苦奉獻會給他勞動部勞動獎章當然給他勞動獎章 |
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此時此刻還有什麼意義?」大家或許都會有這個問號勞動部進一步說會向考試院爭取認定因公傷亡的公務員撫蓄補償那目前勞動部的這個案子送到考試院沒有?我的意見 至少我們部裡面沒有接到那針對勞動部說 |
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他要去爭取認定因公傷亡部長您的看法如何我跟委員報告我想這是一個法制的一個程序他只要送來我們就會開會討論所以完全按照委員會的討論對委員會討論是不是要本於法律對是本於法律嗎對來看一下公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第52條的規定自殺死亡比照病故或意外死亡認定這個就是剛剛部長 |
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你所講的內容嗎?那所以現在勞動部是在講空話嗎?不是很清楚勞動部當初的一個講法不過我們站在部裡面的立場就是有任何希望變成因公腐敘就由機關報來讓我們組成狀態小組根據法律去審查我希望我們的考試院在進行這件事情的審議的時候 |
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雖然在法條的規定上認為說如果是自殺的話他不會用因公撫卹自殺的話我們基本上是比照病故或意外死亡的方式來處理因為部長應該也很熟悉依照公務人員退休之前撫卹法第53條第56條的規定他撫卹 |
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最後給他們遺族的金額事實上差異會蠻大的到底是因公還是在自殺的情況之下認為意外身故但我希望藉由這個質詢幫忙請命的事情是什麼幫忙請命的事情是說如果他不是因為自己其他的因素選擇結束自己的生命而是 |
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他在工作的職場上面因為遭受到長官的霸凌沒有辦法接受這麼巨大的身心壓力而選擇結束自己生命的話這個時候來請部長看一下53條53條第二項第二款的規定 |
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在辦公場所發生意外或危險事故或遭受暴力事件以致死亡。」我希望我們的選區部在審定我希望未來不要有相同的案子我希望未來不要有相同的案子但是恐怕要跟單純的自殺要做一個區別的對待 |
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法定人數不足 |
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在撫蓄事由的認定上面全序部必須要做出比較合理的認定部長您贊同嗎我想法律有一些不同的條款那我們在委員會討論的時候就根據機關送來的解釋或者相關的事證人然後由這個專案小組去處理我想這個委員應該也很能夠提亮我這樣的一個講法當然啦我只希望 |
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勞動部不是只會對外講空話講漂亮話就要落實做好對於不幸往生這位年輕的公務員遺族的保障這個是我質詢的重點等你們認定出來結果出來了以後看是不是可以適時的讓 |
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本委員會的委員大家知道你們認定的基準認定的結果最後是什麼這樣應該沒有問題吧等我們這個案子送來一定會按程序處理來接下來請消防署的同仁我上次在開公聽會的時候我問說因為我們目前公務人員保障法下面所設的安慰辦法訂得太爛了 |
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十年都沒有修啊所以很多基層的警消事實上他們是要爭取把它放到治安法裡面那消防署不肯消防署說啊我們在消防法裡面設專章來保護他們的安全那我們11月的時候消防法修正三讀通過 |
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那我們總統日前也公告但問題是施行細則由你們消防署來定我上一次針對於警消同仁權益的保障召開公聽會的時候你們消防署的同仁跟我說施行日期要等到五年要等到五年這個計畫有沒有改變 |
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在我這一場公聽會舉辦完了以後我在 |
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考試委員同意權行使的程序上把這件事情正式的拉上檯面以後第二天我看到內政部急急忙忙發了新聞稿說六個月內會修正相關的執法同步施行所以現在行政院針對有關於消防法的保障現在六個月就可以公告施行了對不對 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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三）委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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接下來請教一下我們這個退府基金的局長 |
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之前全序部在今年3月的書面報告因為我們在去年7月1號的時候新進的公務同仁我們都從確定給付制改採成確定提撥制了用個人退休金專戶因此退撫基金的這個水庫裡因為沒有新的錢可以流進來所以就必須政府要去撥補那個時候全序部所提出來的書面報告 |
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針對有關於撥補的額度有十年、十五年、二十年三種不一樣的方案。你看我們如果分二十年撥補會比分十年撥補政府會多付710億這個是全巨部的報告應該沒有錯吧?是嗎?但問題來了 |
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我們基層的軍公教啊就出來抗議啊行政院為什麼沒有依照十年的方案啊撥補退輔基金可以啊是豬友分年撥補這個都一定是按照法律來做只是撥補的期層呢當然站在 |
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全區部跟我們有一個監理會會期待說越快撥補越好那我們就把根據那個10年的錢送到行政院行政院會在總預算裡面去討論那我想很多單位都跟行政院要錢就行政院綜合考量那最後呢大概今年明年開始要選擇用是20年的那個錢撥補進來所以我想過程是這樣一個所以未來都還是用20年撥補是不是我們會希望行政院未來至少就是用這個為最低的底線應該這樣講 |
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來我為什麼請局長上來我們來看一下審計部一百一十二年度中央政府總決算副主單位決算的審核報告在這個審核報告當中在這個審核報告當中我上面寫拒付拒付其實就是你們局裡面付的你們局裡面付的是什麼已經召開政府編列預算撥補公教人員退府基金執行事宜會議 |
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學習部及教育部依該會的決議每年度應該撥補公教人員的額數分別是194億跟123億合計317億這個是10年的撥補方案嗎?沒有錯這是補補裡面的回覆那你們回覆說未來會依照會議的決議繼續辦理現在我的問題就來了就是說我從審計部的報告裡面看到 |
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三）委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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條文賴士葆等19人擬具:「公務人員退休資遣 |
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會議的決議分十年撥補嗎?然後到行政院了以後改變成二十年撥補嗎?我事實上只希望利用這次詢答的機會讓大家知道問題的關鍵在哪裡因為你如果選序部也好 |
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退府基金的管理局也好都是按照會議的決議提上去的話那問題的關鍵就在行政院問題的關鍵如果在行政院問你們考試院對你們也不公平因為我只要確認你們當初的確是按照會議的決議給提上去的只是到行政院按照部長的說法他們有不一樣的考量 |
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三（委員張智倫等16人擬具 |
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三）委員張智倫等19人擬具 |
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條文賴士葆等19人擬具 |
| IVOD_ID |
157894 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157894 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-18 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T13:02:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T13:16:30+08:00 |
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