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| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:24:06 - 13:35:36 |
| 影片長度 |
690 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
【僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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謝謝主席 有請黃部長好 請部長部長今天來交通委員會是希望能夠拜託你一件事情就是有關這個目前公部門內爆發的霸凌的問題部長有沒有掌握到這次勞動部勞花署北分署的這個事件 |
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我是第一個提出了解到這個北分署人流異常的委員然後包含那個老挖署他的貴署也是一樣的異常也是在質詢的時候我問出來的那你看這個北分署長就任的時候不到兩年時間他那個單位就好像大爛一樣 |
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一次走了81一位如果連親生那一位他也是有提出申請喔total是82位這是非常非常離譜的一件事情嘛那我有面對這個人力的流動異常的狀態在11月20號的時候在衛生委員會我有特別來要求執行這個權需部跟人事總處然後是我要建置一套這個預警的機制啦那當時的時候這個 |
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這一個權敘不是這麼打呼我他說這個工人離職調集工人員調動資料分別在這兩個單位在做處理但是一直沒有辦法對接出來對接起來那可能要等到明年那我現在私底下了解他可能連明年都沒辦法對接了 |
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這個台灣是個數位資訊進步的國家怎麼會這個離子跟調動的相關資料要對接起來會這麼困難所以我是希望可以請教部長你對這個事情怎麼看法那你這個單位你們貴部能不能予以協助 |
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在10月11日調查結果出來馬上立刻做處置 |
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關於資訊：包括心智：人員調動的比例：內部有自己的統計：其他部會提供數位化的資訊嗎? |
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沒有啦,我的問題很清楚嘛,八點的事情我都還沒有問你,你就直接講了齁,等一下我們就好好討論啦齁。我是提,我是說請部長,我是今天來特別拜託你,這個人事總處跟這個全庶部,這個離職跟調職的相關資料對接起來,他們說可能到明年才會完成。 |
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我私下了解說可能連明年都對接不起來怎麼接都接不上站在數位部的角度立場跟你們專業能不能予以協助啦我的問題就這樣而已啊那個就是就是堅持這兩個單位的這系統的界界這個我們請那個我們的那個數位政府能不能予以協助啦就這樣而已可以可以嘛可以就好可以就好因為你們如果願意協助應該就不用等到明年甚至要有五期嘛一直對接不上嘛但是這個不是這個 |
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委員８ |
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拜託部長,這樣的技術目前應該是可以辦到嘛,對不對?請教部長,可以嘛。好,那但是如果這個單位的所長階層對人有異常完全不在乎啦,那甚至以為自己單位的人員都是被挖角,還是要照顧家庭,或者是緩鄉,才導致自己單位的人力一直流失,那這個恐怕不是AI的可以去處理的嘛,就沒辦法嘛對不對?如果這個單位的階層 |
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所長接著是認為這樣這個不是AI可以去處理嗎?對吧?對,但是沒有說這個是要靠訪談或怎麼樣去人跟人的關係我知道我的題目都很單純嘛如果是這樣AI是沒辦法幫助嘛簡單講就這樣因為這個所長本身自己有主觀上的認定了嘛那剛剛你特別講到11月21號我本來沒要問你說我有跟你講一些比較有的對不對 |
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知安署內部有情緒管控的問題轉觀存在。貼文講的這麼清楚,部長可以看嘛。長官脾氣暴躁,經常罵人,罵到牆壁都快倒下的感覺。部長有掌握嗎?有,我們現在在調查中。好,我這邊也有同樣接到署名一群知安署的受迫員工借來澄清信,繼續血淚嘛。然後控制知安署的管理不當,直接點名知安署署長跟副署長標罵下屬言語霸凌嘛。 |
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我是接到這個這一張我也有交給部長是嗎?部長等一下你看你怎麼答覆的 |
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照理講這個新的一個單位基本上就像一個新單位大家都會想要轉掉進去的一個單位但是怎麼會現在都轉出來然後資安署是111年8月27日成立預算有16512年是146113年剩下129或許146扣129少了17個大家覺得不怎麼樣但是成立到現在總移植人數是42人平調7人降調14人辭職21人部長你覺得這嚴不嚴重這個單位有沒有出問題 |
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本屬人員調子原因多屬外界挖角,直來發展選擇反鄉家庭照顧或經濟因素或等考量。 |
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而調離現實至本署流動率偏高另又因這一個資産高階人才藍密且本署經用人員過程嚴謹需通過筆試面試篩選呼應本署組織業務特性公人員及聘用人員經用需辦理查核查核通過使得經用相關人員亦受嚴格儘管這一個限制 |
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至常遇到對外公告、徵裁、無人報名、人員資格不符等狀況未來本署將持續積極規劃辦理各類人員徵選、養成與留財、作業、自立、補食、缺額。就這麼難找人啊藍密的治安高階人才正用過程嚴謹的你們還可以在兩年內讓他跑到42位誰要負責?請回答我誰該負責? |
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不要再給我講到別的題目我時間到了誰該負責啊為什麼有這樣的答覆我給你這一張我給你這一張一群血液員工的控訴你給我答覆這樣的還用正式公文這案是答覆的嗎還是部長你授意他們這樣答覆我的跟委員報告一下我跟你們沒完沒了啊沒有沒有謝謝委員真的非常謝謝委員這個誰要求這樣答覆的 |
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誰做成決議做這樣的公文書打呼到我的辦公室我給你這一張你給我這一個誰決定的啊你打呼我誰決定我沒有問你其他問題誰決定的報告委員您給的這個公文書您給的公文書因為投訴的對象我不是給你公文書我是給你陳情書你是給我公文書誰給的誰做決定 |
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報告委員我們非常想要留所有的員工所以每一個員工去哪裡我們都會追蹤請答覆我誰給我這一張公文書我給你員工的陳情信你給我這一張公文書誰給我的這一張回我的公文信公文書誰回的這個內容 |
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議員８ |
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對,責任使的回覆為什麼我給我是交代國會聯絡人給你部長啊你為什麼還交代責任使的署長來做這樣的官腔官室的回覆然後自己在那邊打臉你就這麼難找人啊這麼嚴謹啊你說兩天用招40幾個 |
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立法院第11屆第12會期交通委員會提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件閱讀委員我們現在在調查中這個回覆是我當然知道你在調查中嘛那院長交代一星期啊這個是一二一發生的事情已經過了一個禮拜了快兩個禮拜了啊那你怎麼還打呼我這種東西我沒有要求你給我調查報告跑了這麼多人兩年新的單位兩單位來找40幾個有嚴重嗎 |
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有沒有嚴重嗎?你們這麼嚴謹的在招募人才,這麼短的單位讓這麼多人,這各位替本話的捏。連替本話都放棄,他以為是辭職捏。不是只有轉調、平調、降調而已捏。跟委員報告,那個投訴的部分我們有列專案小組的那個調查,以上報告。董事長,你覺得他們給我回這樣有道理? |
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你是覺得我覺得你給我回的不夠具體所以我才今天來這邊質詢 |
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那我們就讓他公開讓大家很清楚的你怎麼回我嗎部裡面現在就是剛剛講說一調查報告出來馬上會做處理那現在就是我們就是這個已經起動了針對員工霸凌是一件事情嘛我是請教部長說這麼短的時間內資安署這麼嚴謹在招募人才對不對這你們寫的嘛那怎麼這麼短的時間讓42位的同仁離開你們的單位誰該負責嘛霸凌是另外一件事情嘛 |
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所以就叫做外界挖角吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
630.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
653.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
但是委員我有詳細的資料就是每一個人去哪裡這個有詳細的資料所以可以經得起檢視就是我們真的很想留員工所以我們其實都會問員工說那你現在你要去哪裡然後你的薪水是多少那有很多員工告訴我說他薪水變多而且主席給我很長的時間了你如果這麼講我實在也也不曉得再怎麼跟你講下去了反正我覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
655.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
678.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你們就是很懇切的很好的這樣的一個心情希望留住更多的這個同仁但是他們就是因為怎麼樣講要被挖角了如果你還這樣講那好那我們就好好的來了解更清楚嘛我這張我這張這個他們給我的這個陳情書我再給部長啦部長如果你們要再持續這樣答覆我我是覺得你們數碼署是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
679.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
685.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們會仔細調查在做適當的事情你們蘇華署會真的持續發生很多不可思議的事情 |
| IVOD_ID |
157824 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157824 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T13:24:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T13:35:36+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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