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委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
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13:07:08 - 13:15:20 |
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492 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫,並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
【僅進行詢答;委員預算提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件】) |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請部長來請部長部長好,延續上一次的主題,你們數位部也好,數發部也好 |
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推了很多計畫然後那個計畫的內容我上次問你兩年砸了3億要數位富能推動銀髮世代社會連結計畫那到底具體的成效是什麼我請你們會後給我資料你們會後給我的資料不好意思部長我講的比較直接一點一堆官樣文章一堆官樣文章 |
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我們以前啊在大學的時候我相信部長經驗也很豐富啊大家審過非常多的計畫什麼是官樣文章啊什麼是有具體的成效其實我們大家都讀得出來內行人不要講外行話但讓我生氣的是什麼讓我生氣的事情是我諮詢完以後結果你們數位部很老的啊很老的啊 |
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處理的方式這個計畫點擊率慘不能讀乾脆把它遮掩掉這個是誰下的決定啊是部長下令的嗎那個報告員那個這是他們那個在跟我報告的時候他是說我們不好意思一個問題一個問題第一個誰下令把它拿掉的是我們的內部人員在你們內部人員權力這麼大喔那當然是有跟我報告但是我所以你同意是嗎 |
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我同意是因為那個這個因為我們有4000多個資訊那當然就是我們8有超過8萬人次來來來來4000多個資訊有超過8萬次8萬人次好8萬人次吧那平均每一個資訊多少人次數學沒有那麼難啊4000多個資訊有8萬人次但是這個報告委員這個沒辦法平均因為有些訊息很多人想看那有些人看的人就比較沒有啦不要講空的啦 |
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我上次這個點擊率慘不能賭嘛啊你們處理問題的方式是什麼不是解決問題啊是把發現問題的線索全部都抹掉啊點擊人數直接拿掉掩耳盜鈴啊你們後來說有4000多個頁面4000多個資訊那總點擊率是8萬多嘛那我就問你嘛一個頁面一個資訊的點擊率是多少 |
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平均是多少?就20次嘛!這個數學有這麼困難嗎?不是 這個報告委員 這個因為4000多個頁面 有的可能會有破萬的點擊 有的可能只有幾個沒有錯 那沒有關係啊哪一個點擊率好 哪一個點擊率不好老老實實的呈現出來給大家看 有什麼問題啊 |
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奇怪耶!民進黨政府從2016年以來講的口號是什麼啊?是開放政府耶!是公開透明耶!這個符合開放政府的理念嗎?這個符合公開透明的理念嗎?還是點擊率不好?慘不忍睹? |
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最快的方式是什麼直接點擊率把它刪掉讓大家不要看我們有一個總體點擊率報告委員這個上次看到這個number報告我剛講8萬人支持我們以為我們是10月20幾號再上去沒有關係啊那你就把它放上去嘛半年以後我們再看一次啊一年以後再看一次啊你書發布可以開記者會可以發新聞稿做各式各樣的澄清嘛 |
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所以我們上去的時間比較短所以這個數字可能比較難看我們相信半年以後一年以後這個數字一定會大幅提升能夠好好的擴大我們的引法族跟社會的連結各項活動各項計畫沉積斐然請社會大眾拭目以待一個有信心的政府 |
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一個號稱要公開透明的政府不是應該這樣做嗎?部長我有沒有說錯?那個謝謝委員的指導那我想這個其實很簡單那如果委員認為這個數字很重要我們就再把它放回去好把它放回去齁我們過一段時間繼續再來檢驗我老實跟你講啦為什麼我覺得這個計畫非常的荒謬 |
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點進去還不一定會真的去參加那個活動真的要計算KPI是什麼真的要計算KPI是說我投了這幾億下去做了這些事情我實際產出的output是什麼所以我實際產出的output我老實講也不是上去看點擊幾次而是實際到那個地方參與那個活動的人因為這個 |
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而增加了多少這個才是實際的Major的方式嘛但問題是什麼但問題是說有點幾並不代表什麼並不代表有趣但是什麼如果連點都不點的話代表他的效益我可以很確定的講是ZERO |
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是零嘛你們該做的事情不是直接把點擊的次數抹掉你們該做的事情是除了點擊的次數以外到那個空間到那個地點參與那個活動的你們進一步去調查請問你來參加這個活動獲得資訊的管道是什麼你才有辦法去major你這個計畫實際產生的效用跟output是什麼嘛 |
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這個是一個非常簡單的道理我沒有辦法理解啦數位部為什麼沒有辦法理解這麼簡單的道理但是我上次是善意跟部長講請你回去了解這些計畫因為如果實際上面執行的成果是這個樣子你會很難說服很多的委員 |
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在明年繼續支持這個計畫相同的狀況一樣我代部長看我上次問說次世代行動創新應用負能發展計畫兩年兩億一千三百萬到底在做什麼因為我為什麼會有這個困惑因為這個困惑是連審查委員都說與既有的計畫高度重疊這不是我講的是審查委員講的 |
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然後呢你們給我的書面回覆我不知道部長有沒有看你說啊這裡面有什麼有智慧教育也有智慧醫療但人家在說的是什麼你的智慧教育智慧醫療跟教育部的校園五級示範教室跟學習載具計畫到底有什麼不同跟衛福部導入五級級智慧科技提升醫療與健康照護有什麼不同 |
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因為這些計畫書我全部都拜讀過了我拜讀完了以後不好意思我跟部長講我陷入了極度的迷惘到底有什麼不一樣不同的部會用計畫當名目找一些fancy的詞幾億幾億這樣的花我們的政府很有錢那個主席已經站起來我拜託部長 |
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我再給你們一次機會我再給你們一次機會這個計畫存在的意義跟目的到底是什麼跟其他部會的計畫到底有什麼不一樣你們第一次送來給我的書面回覆我看完了但我看完以後的心得就像我剛剛跟部長報告一樣 |
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好 謝謝黃國昌 |
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日期 |
2024-12-04 |
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第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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2024-12-04T13:07:08+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T13:15:20+08:00 |
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