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| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:45:34 - 12:55:16 |
| 影片長度 |
582 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
【僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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來麻煩主席請我們數位部黃部長來黃部長請來黃部長道高一尺摩真的可以高一丈嗎 |
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我們數位部不管一年幾十億預算或是一開始的時候聯同前瞻計畫有上百億的預算說實在話要人給人要錢給錢我們也希望是說能夠真正做到詐騙的一個防詐的一個功能但是本席會這樣問是因為111政府簡訊平台 |
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去年10月當時的唐鳳部長講說明年1月也就是2024年正式上線設三關卡賭詐騙 |
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從今年1月開始正式上線到現在10月多11月來 |
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新聞就出來了嘛就破貨詐騙集團政府的簡訊一一有假然後被詐團破解2G發送來他用兩個看起來我不知道這算是精不精密啊但看起來我覺得這蠻土法煉鋼的啊 |
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就這樣子兩台機器不大就可以把我們政府都過去花了多少錢那麼多數位科技人才的速發部做出來的111簡訊給破解然後發送繳費假訊息再來我們新聞台做連線報導那他發送什麼樣的訊息我想這跟我們剛剛好幾位委員共同關心的不管是有什麼政府的繳費 |
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收費等等因為他等於是他就利用假借政府的名義嘛那那個時候大家看到是說111覺得是說啊就安心了看到111傳來就是可以點開放心了結果不是這麼回事來部長我給你機會時間說明一下到底是我們想得太天真還是把詐騙集團想得太白癡還是我們自己真真正正根本不了解說現在環境多麼兇險以為推出一個東西就可以天衣無縫結果不到一年就被破解 |
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來﹗ |
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我們看一下所以我們這個新聞出來也快兩三個禮拜了對不對那我們現在統計到底有多少民眾接到這個集團被詐騙所以二級手機目前現在統計多少 |
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所以現在到底有多少被詐騙? |
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二級手機目前還有在用的應該不多但是我沒有數字但是沒有數字所以看到現在這樣的一個狀況沒有數字好本席再請教不管是我們速發部有推出的一個通報網或者是現在我們刑事警察局有所謂的這個打詐儀表板對不對詐騙是大幅的成長 |
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⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯ |
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以前可能美化這個數字可能讓這個數字感覺相對來講比較有差汁抹粉那現在沒有啊所以才會說我們現在看到說一年一個月有高達百億的一個詐騙 |
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主要是針對所謂的這個廣告平台上的這些詐騙那從廣告平台上的詐騙我們開始進行這個一些這個機制包括實名制以後我們目前看到的確在假廣告的詐騙有下降90%以上 |
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﹚立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會及立法院第12屆第3會期交通委員會及立法院第4會期交通委員會及 |
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市長他絕對不是單一部會的議題我同意因為這個也是過去到現在我們一直要求的就不是要各部會互踢皮球就是說你踢我我踢你到之後這個負責的變成是說就反正是員警的責任也不是嘛所以說我們要從源頭管理源頭阻止源頭把關來讓詐騙的犯罪成本提高高到是說他認為是他根本不合算他就不會想要來詐騙了嘛 |
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所以源頭我們這邊看到有在減少所以應該在未來幾個月所以之前我也一直很關心時間也有限但是我一直很關心就所謂的六大平台你們現在廣告實名制的部分現在到底進度如何現在Google跟Line已經落實實名制了從這個月開始那那個像那個Facebook對他答應在從現在開始實施了從高風險他已經答應我們在1月底前會全面實施 |
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一月底以前臉書、IG、TREI他們是整個母公司嘛一月底以前可以全部實施廣告的實名制所以說到時候我們看到不管是假冒什麼某某某名人假冒什麼投資社 |
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他下面一定都會有實名制一定會有一個帳號投入那所以說如果說他是詐騙的也可以循線順藤摸瓜去找到後面的用戶刊登的廣告那後到時我們有任何的一個詐騙的一個罰則也都可以來做處罰那這一個人他有可能是國內還國外 |
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當然就是說他若實名制的時候他這個他必須確認這本人的ID嘛這個當然投放廣告可以在國外但是就是說至少你可以回溯在到這個真正的人那如果是國外的話那當然就是要藉由這個部長那要不要部長這樣子有沒有聽到我覺得還是會有漏洞 |
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如果說他現在是用國外的帳號就像之前一直講我們說為什麼詐騙的機房放在的是他機房放在的是東南亞他為什麼放在東南亞就是因為他們可能在東南亞有一些機房然後打電話來台灣來做詐騙然後再由台灣的車手他們等於是犯罪集團不同的分工那如果說你今天這樣子實名制的話你會不會一樣是他可能機房一樣是在東南亞其他國家裡面來做投放廣告 |
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有一些廣告像投資金融的廣告那個就要是國內的人才能夠下廣告這是Facebook會跟我們合作的那至於還有一些因為金融詐騙現在在投資上面大概佔了80%所以那是最大源頭先把這個堵住那至於說其他的詐騙廣告我們經過國際刑警的互助將來也希望在這邊能夠很快的去杜絕部長 |
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但本席提出來這個問題既然我們都認為可以從源頭管理來減輕增加犯罪成本減輕犯罪的一個樣態跟狀況的話就請你好好的溝通那既然可以金融廣告他一定是要在國內才有辦法投放的話那其他廣告應該也要比就相關詐騙廣告應該比較辦理 |
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韓國瑜 |
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對我們來講我們主管機關的責任跟功能就是要告訴他即便是有錢賺你也不能賺因為這個就是非法的錢這個就是詐騙集團的錢這個就是投入之後會增加犯罪風險的錢是吧完全同意 |
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好,麻煩再請一月底你剛剛有講到一月底的時候這幾個這個平台的部分會有相關實名制的一個規劃是不是可以給書面資料給本席好不好謝謝謝謝洪孟楷委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157814 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157814 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T12:45:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T12:55:16+08:00 |
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