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| 委員名稱 |
林沛祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:26:46 - 09:36:00 |
| 影片長度 |
554 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
【僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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有請黃部長好黃部長 |
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委員長在你這份報告這個預算收支預算報告的第三頁有講到一句話就是說這個提升整體通訊網路韌性裡面包括保障國民之數位人權那我想請問一下最基本的網路上的禮儀算不算數位人權啊網路上的禮儀啊就是說你寫的字啊這個用詞用字是不是應該算是算是人權的一種 |
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您覺得這樣算不算霸凌? |
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部長請你聽到這句話如果你是我的下屬你會不會覺得像霸凌這是網路上喔因為我們知道網路上驚嘆號表示很氣憤才會用驚嘆號你覺得這樣算網路霸凌就是這個剛剛有講過像這種情緒的這是一個長官因為我們是如果有一天如果您是用這種語氣混蛋加驚嘆號直接命令你下面的下屬 |
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他們感受就是這樣喔這是不是所以我們這樣我說我看到這個保障國民數位人權的時候我就很好奇說那我們的數發部有沒有把我們的基層工作人員當作一般的勞工還是說我們數發部的基層工作人員就沒有所謂的數位人權嗎 |
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當然委員這個就是我剛剛講就是說我們在這個事前我們在做進步調查那調查結果很快就會出來那我們會採取適當措施沒有錯就是我剛剛講說工作壓力下情況工作壓力很大情況下也不能夠對在情緒上做任何的這個發洩所以這個的訓練中所以我剛剛特別強調我也跟我的同仁講我們要有那個那我想請問一下啦這邊有個關鍵的東西我因為我知道這個報告的時候我想請問一下什麼叫打岔啊 |
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請問打X什麼意思?您知道嗎? |
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這是你們部裡面發生的事情你是最高主管你也知道以企業來講一向都最高主管完全掌控完全負責對吧我原理的資訊我都完全了解那那個您的這個是那請問什麼是打叉我的資訊完全了解那請問什麼是打叉打叉是什麼直接扣烤雞嗎是不是這個這個是不是你直接一烤雞來做威脅 |
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請部長回答yes or no還是我不知道 or I don't know這個就是我剛剛講就是說需要內部給我調查報告其實那個很多的那個剛剛講就是我還是回到那個原則就是秀秀長請問您知道這個狀況嗎請問您知道打叉是什麼意思嗎打叉動不動一個叉兩個叉三個叉五燈講啊 |
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請問打叉是什麼意思?是考積直接降一級嗎?還是一個什麼懲處之類的嗎?你有掌握這個狀況嗎?趙偉跟委員報告齁那個部分我們會列入專案小組的那個調查我們等於雙方的這個當事人都甚至是說我也很好奇啦齁 |
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週末例假各科都有事然後科長48個小時沒宵沒席再打一個叉那想請問一下這個基層公務人員有沒有勞基法的保障啊那基層公務人員四十八小時待命週末四十八小時待命會不會違反勞基法啊沒宵沒席就要打叉沒宵沒席就要考基屬份是不是額市處處長請問你知道這狀況嗎 |
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就這個部分我們會利用專案小組調查。你們千萬不要給我寫個什麼利益良善的東西出來喔。不會不會。你們千萬不要寫個利益良善的東西出來喔。謝謝委員提醒。不然話說真的不是只有我今天會看到會生氣喔。所有人都會生氣喔。 |
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我這是很在議事廳在議事殿堂裡面直接質詢每一個都有每一個都有逐字稿的記錄那這件事情不能就這樣了之是如果這邊跟我講說數位人權四個字數位人權四個字然後我們基層公務員都不被尊重基層公務員最基本的網路用詞這種混蛋打岔胡搞 |
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那我還不知道說我們這個數發布連最基本的數位人權說我們要保障國民的數位人權還要打詐我不知道這個該怎麼講我不知道這該從何講起所以我認為部長您現在就是想法就因為我從資安署到這邊一路看過來四個字關關相互啊 |
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周委已經很客氣特地把這件事情讓你們這種主促長出來講可是你們現在給我的態度就是沒關係我們等調查委員報告出來之後我們再想辦法大事化小小事化我們拖過去對吧不會大事小小事化我們不會嗎不會不會這邊講的話大家全部人都看著喔全部媒體都要看著喔對我知道就是我們根據調查報告我們會做適當的處理那如果你是主管你是現在最高主管你認為你該不該道歉發生這麼大風波應不應該道歉 |
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我為我所有同仁道歉是應該道歉因為這個確實是我督導不周讓他發生這樣的事情但是我也講說這個事情本身我們先調查報告我們還是等調查報告出來再做適當的補充部長至少你肯說為你的同仁黨來說出道歉這點我給你肯定因為很多人是不願意道歉我特別跟同仁講就是說我們部的工作很重但是我們要有愛的教育鐵的紀律鐵的紀律還是要有再來其實部長我還有另外一個議題也是很重要的 |
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其實這個跟你比較無關啦其實這個案子上個這個案子跟現在這個案子跟上個案子其實跟你都是你是主管所以你要完全負責包括111現在已經老實講這是唐鳳部長留下來的東西可是我覺得這比較像是一個自我自嗨的這個所謂的safeguard自己保護自己有自我感覺良好的safeguard111防詐號碼知道吧那其實老實講媒體上面報的很大我們花了1200萬但是實質上我們有沒有保護到我們直接的人 |
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所以說他是直接去跟所謂的末端使用者直接去touch |
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變成是說我們隨時隨地只要有一台50萬左右的機器我們只要一個犯罪集團隨便到鬧區掃一掃就可能掃到這些這些釣魚檢訊就繼續發送拜我們111的檢訊之外而且這111的檢訊還是我們國家花大錢去官方認證的有效檢訊他們不是這個沒有錯111防詐平台沒有被破解 |
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但是他們直接略過防炸平台假冒成111這一樣嚴重啊 |
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如果連PTT都在講的時候就表示說已經不是個案PTT在講東西通常都已經是很明顯了大家都看到了所以我們要來檢討對吧所以這個有防護的措施我們現在加強防護沒問題其實我們以前我質詢過的時候你也跟我提過我們正在做所謂的零信任網路零信任網路解決方案那我想知道說到目前為止這零信任網路解決方案目前進度是怎麼樣 |
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我們現在已經有這個預計年底會有大概47個A級機關都會導入零星人網路所以當然我們會逐步的擴充但是這個零星人網路是很重要的一個防護的措施我們是極力推動那希望當然就資安法通過之後我們能夠加強對不管是CI或者是地方政府也推動零星人網路老師講防炸不會單單純純是數發部的數發部的業務可是防炸嚴格講起來現在不要是我個人全民都覺得防炸其實成效不是很好 |
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那其實這點數發布我不能講說就是你們的責任但是你們應該要檢討我們繼續努力我們會認真地把這個工作做好好謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157768 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157768 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T09:26:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T09:36:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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