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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:53 - 10:44:43 |
| 影片長度 |
650 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案。
三、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管預算(公務預算)解凍案3案。
（第一案及第二案僅進行詢答，相關預算提案請於12月12日下午2時前提出）） |
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院長其實很多人都會有一個大哉問就是我們的那些國寶典藏品在故宮到底有沒有得到妥善的保存而且到底有幾件我先請教一下院長你們最近一次清查我們院內的所有的典藏品是什麼時候 |
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清查的話是103年103年啊依照博物館法的話是20年進行一次總盤點所以是103年對103年10年前曾經清查過97到101年7月 |
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所以到底是哪一個?因為學長你回答問題,你怎麼會給我一個錯誤的答案?我前面的那個印象是錯誤,同仁給我的比較精確。所以正確來講是什麼時候?97到101。到101。101?對。101的清查過,然後按照博物館法應該20年內要再清查一次,所以下一次清查是121年前完成,我這樣講有錯嗎? |
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呃,理論上是這樣,沒有錯。好,那請問一下上次清查總共幾件?故宮點餐品總共幾件?呃,69萬多件,精確的數據的話可能…69萬多件是不是?對。要不要後面的提醒一下?因為現在的件數的話就是歷年有兼政然後是會滾動,現在是69萬8兼887件。69萬8,那裡面有分幾種等級? |
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國保幾件?現在當院長要什麼樣的人可以當? |
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國寶在你們故宮博物院的典藏應該是最重要的一件事情結果我問你國寶有幾件?這個對你來講應該是太陽從東邊西邊出來一樣的答案你都答不出來國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾件?國寶有幾 |
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議長,請問一下你們清查這些國寶或古物,重要古物的話,有外部集合機制嗎?有外部的委員長。外部委員是怎麼集合? |
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外部委員參與那個參與盤點就每一次都要有兩位的外部委員每一次都要兩個外部委員那兩個外部委員會重複嗎?不會?就同樣從頭到尾就是兩個外部委員沒有沒有不可能委員不可能不可能嘛對不對好那我想問一下除了外部委員參與清查之外調查報告出來之後還有一個外部稽查機制嗎? |
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例如說,你們這份報告出來之後,你交給哪個外部單位,然後那個外部單位可以根據你所清查的結果進行抽查,有嗎?有這個機制嗎?呃,我想過去應該沒有吧。沒有是不是?未來的話我一定會做。那這樣子院長,那你們清查的結果,我覺得很難讓外界了解到,就是到底這個清查是否相實啊? |
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所以是否可以增加一個外部清查機制就是你把你們清查的調查報告下次一定會下次怎麼做要怎麼做那如果現在我們可能現在大家都有這樣的疑問那我們現在可以怎麼去清查現在怎麼可以藉由外部的機制來抽查 |
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我先講就是正常的一個記查程序的話就正常一個大盤點的話就是點檢我們叫點檢點檢的話是不只是看數量而且看作品的狀況那基本上來講的話要有業單位要有廣方的人要有兩位的外部的委員然後還要有政風所以這是一個內部沒有我講的不是你們內部我講的是外部 |
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外部的機制的話當然就是說這個部分我們會研議也許找一個所謂的公證單位然後在整個盤點的過程裡面就派人參與因為現在我們變成要等到121年嘛但我就講了嘛我說現在就很多每次只要有故宮的議題大家都在問啦這些 |
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國寶這些所謂你講的重要文物到底有沒有得到妥善保存它會不會遺失了我們不知道到底有沒有掉了我們不知道到底有沒有破損了我們不知道到底有什麼外部的監理機制可以進入到這個系統裡面讓大家可以知道其實這些國寶我現在是善意的讓這些國寶被大家知道有妥善的保存有什麼樣的機制可以做到公開透明 |
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國立故宮博物院主管預算案 |
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讓大家知道說故宮的博寶現在被妥占保存而且沒有遺失,明年前可不可以?可以,我跟委員報告就大盤點所謂的20年的遺失的大盤點之外的話我們每一季包括我自己包括那個單位的主管都會每一季都會抽點抽點的話是用電腦隨機去寫對啦那個是院長嘛那還是屬於內部我先講外部嘛 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮 |
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這個會議結束前好不好?好不好?然後1月20幾號前提一個初步想法給我我們把外部的監理機制把它建立起來因為太多人懷疑這件事情接下來幾個細部的事情跟你討論一下第一個有關於解凍案你這邊提到說解凍案其中有一項是要處理土黨的外流事件 |
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那在你們的後續改善措施裡面這邊有提到112年3月17號曾經有跟淘寶網發出律師函提出希望他們可以把那些打包的土檔下架的主張這是你們的報告裡面所寫的嘛 |
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那這邊有講說確實有部分的成效啦因為部分商品已經下架可是問題是那個是112年3月做的已經一年多以前了那我們來看我們最近找到的資料我這邊列出來的全部都是在淘寶上面有一些店家他就是在做打包圖檔銷售的工作那這個部分在故宮的認定裡面其實這個也是不OK的這也是侵權的 |
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議員議員議員 |
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寫買過的店為什麼會寫買過的店因為我助理在今年年初的應該是第一次我們質詢院長的時候那是應該3、4月的時候已經半年前了同樣的店半年還一直存在代表說這半年來故宮對於要求淘寶下架這一些所謂的清錢店家沒有進行進一步的動作我想問說為什麼從112年3月之後就沒有再進一步的動作 |
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跟委員報告就113年9月10月11月我們都有都有都有跟那個113年9月對所以112年3月之後就跳到113年9月沒有 |
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〔記者〕 |
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議員議員議員 |
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這就是同一家啦院長請你盡快好不好不然你這邊講說你們已經改善了實際上我們查的結果就是沒有改善啊感覺好像故宮對於侵權這個事情就是不重視好再來一個很快講一下上次有這也是後續的追蹤啦上次有 |
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議員議員議員 |
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二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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目前來講的話資品人只有一個人可以修復上次你跟你提過那您提後來我們的結論是講說你要跟行政院去爭取人力嘛啊不曉得有去爭取了嗎呃我有跟那個人種那邊跟他們溝通那他們現在也在進行故宮的人力盤點那如果說短期沒有辦法的話因為我們會用基金的方式先行禁用所以說是指資品還是所有的各類的呃 |
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當然是…當然是製品那製品的話基本上來講的話我們希望說找到一個類似的不是只會專修製品啦因為基本上來講的話他有一些人才的話如果他的那個修復的幅度比較廣況的話可以修復到其他的器物因為製品也不是製品他也有什麼馬腦啊有什麼東西上面所以這個部分的話我們會去找適當的人才增補OK好好謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157763 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157763 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-11 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T10:33:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T10:44:43+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |