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| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:19:05 - 12:26:25 |
| 影片長度 |
440 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（詢答及處理）
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府。調整軍公教人員待遇準備。災害準備金。第二預備金。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】
【11月25日及28日二天一次會】） |
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來主席謝謝麻煩請審計長好審計長來審計長我快速的來了解一下現在大家有講是說這個前勞動部長他辦所謂的性別平等法20週年的演唱會那是用這個所謂的勞動安定就業安定基金 |
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確實嘛對不對那你上午有答詢的時候講是說這個就案訂基金裡面有政令宣導的部分是不是對出國計畫出國來我想請教一下就案訂基金他是有法條喔第5條裡面本基金用途如下12款的用途哪一條哪一款裡面寫到政令宣導 |
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他是放在促進國民就業的計畫那裡邊有拉出來一個促進國民就業也就是第二個嘛加強實施職業訓練或是就業資訊的事項或者是加強實施就業安定跟就業促進的事項你用這樣子的邏輯去幫他講說這是政令宣導 |
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我想請教一下他的科目他在預算書裡面就列有政令宣導這樣的科目會不會太牽強了一點因為就業基金就業安定基金他是有法條法條第5條裡面本基金用途12款的部分有權益基金的支出有管理跟總務的支出有其他用途的支出但就沒有所謂的政令宣導啊那還有 |
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審計長我想請教姑女的願望跟性別平等的政令宣導有什麼關係 |
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我的心裡只有你沒有他委員就這樣吼跟政令宣導有什麼關係這現在我們正在查我只是說你有沒有看過那個演唱會的影片有我們也有看過也看過了那你的感想是什麼中華民國人民的納稅錢我們站在審計單位的立場可以這樣子花嗎我們會整個瞭解以後會提出報告 |
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會提出報告,你今天上午有講一個月嘛,對不對?那本席有在看到,也有媒體報導講是說這個北分署長他的辦公室裝潢145萬,說也是用就業安定基金來支出,是不是真的? |
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目前瞭解是這樣但是我們還是要也是用就業安定基金瞭解的情形是會不會太過腐爛阿所以我們會整個成盤那這樣子過去到現在人家講說就業安定基金變成勞動部的小金庫原來不是傳言是事實阿我要裝潢可以用就業安定基金我要辦演唱會滿足自己的慾望可以用就業安定基金我是要選一個孤女的願望 |
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二、審查中華民國11年度中華民國11年度中華民國11年度中華民國11年度中華民國11年度中華民國11年度 |
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審計長這都已經核銷了嗎?因為這個整個政績啊我們的審計有審計的一個等級對那這都已經核銷啦那那核銷你所以是不是可以再加快速度我覺得這個國人真的沒有辦法接受捏而且我們還要審明年的預算如果說這樣的話我就覺得說我們審計部門沒有研究的把關我們盡量來快一點 |
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可以多快?兩個禮拜是不是?連核銷的部分連那個145萬的裝潢費啊我們都因為這個總是要有一些程序所以一個月內的報告是連他那時候核銷到底用什麼樣的科目什麼樣的名目都會出來 |
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審計長我再給你看一下你看一下這個是刑事警察局給本席整理的資料打詐國人都很重視詐騙國人都很重視我也看到了你們今天審計的資料裡面有特別講是說打詐專案我們來做一個確認跟審計嘛對不對對就是說過去政府部門要人給人要錢給錢就是要打詐對你看一下以你那麼數字敏感的程度喔你看一下有沒有一個money |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
280.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
284.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
108年到112年發生的件數都是2萬多件到3萬件損失的財損40幾億、50幾億、70幾億、80幾億逐年增加但突然間到113年1月到10月變成7萬多件274億的財損有很多人就跟我們講啊就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
305.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
320.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
委員啊基層的公務同仁基層的警務同仁跟我們講啊委員啊你都被人騙了政府很厲害的都會美化數字啊所以之前一年可能台灣被詐騙的數字是百億以上啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
321.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
338.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
根本不是我們現在報出來的四五十億啊那結果過去這幾年財損都是四五十億然後發生件數都是兩三萬件今年突然變成是七萬多件我想應該不會是今年的兩種可能嘛一個就是說今年詐騙集團突然變特別厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
340.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
352.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所以說詐騙特別多一個就是過去的數字都美化了過去的數字都隱匿了過去的數字都沒有如實的登記所以說才會變成是突然間從112年的3萬多件變113年的7萬多件翻了進一整倍委員這詐欺 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
362.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
371.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
是國民的同我們今年還是會加強專案查專案調查所以我們也會出一個專案調查報告我剛剛也希望這個是慢慢的審計長本席提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
378.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
395.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
你是要督促這些單位不要美化數字啊對我今天為什麼會在這邊特別提出來就是說你要了解的是你今天的年度報告裡面有講到是說督促我們所有政府部門的打仗但如果說過去這幾次全部都是隱匿的建樹或是隱匿的財損 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
396.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
421.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那我們就跟我們的財主單位報換簡報以審容永料我預算都用完了我們就是這樣子結果才發現說過去這幾年根本就是美化數字根本就是美化相關的一個建樹那我們財主單位不知道我們國人也被蒙在鼓裡那這樣不是很嚴重嗎?從這個數字看政府已經正處變最多的問題所以代表說過去是沒有面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
423.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
428.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
委員會後找時間、過去都悶在圖裏面當駝鳥陳議長本席要求的是審計單位要多助我們的單位不能有隱匿數字、美化數字、造假數字 |
| IVOD_ID |
157639 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157639 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T12:19:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T12:26:25+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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