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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
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11:44:48 - 11:55:01 |
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613 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。(詢答)） |
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黃國昌委員質詢謝謝主席 麻煩有請部長請郭部長委員好部長好 台研綠能的弊案雪球越滾越大整個社會都非常的關心 |
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之前當然有一些特定的媒體出來擦脂抹粉說蘇貞昌3年多前就知道了我看到這個新聞我是覺得非常可笑理由是這整個案子我從我回到立法院之前我就不斷的在追蹤去年在這個經濟委員會也是台灣民眾黨的常委委員在這邊公開質詢了以後 |
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我們的經濟部才開始動作所以大家都在問蘇貞昌如果知道3年多還要等到晨晚會質詢了以後經濟部才動起來那請問之前到底在幹嘛但這也不關您的事這個都是您上任部長以前的事情我們對於政治責任跟行政責任的歸屬我向來的個性是一碼歸一碼就事論事把它討論清楚 |
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但我要跟部長說明的是什麼上一次我在經濟委員會質詢的時候你沒來是次長來的那個時候針對次長來的時候我有針對要求他針對台研綠能的部分以及我等一下要說的另外一個也是台研綠能但是是在台南七股的弊案處理的狀況請他加以說明我們先一樣一樣來第一個事情是說 |
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經濟部回給我的公文我不曉得有沒有簽到你那邊上面說他已經對經理人提告了所謂對經理人提告這個詞可能用詞不是很精確我有點看不懂是提民事訴訟還是提刑事告訴部長您知道嗎這個部分我想應該在我這個來內閣之前應該就已經提出了 |
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是嗎?是提民事訴訟還是提刑事告訴?有人知道嗎?沒有,你知道就上來協助部長,不要客氣。跟委員報告,因為這個是台綠的經理人嘛,所以是台綠有向他提起刑事的告訴。民事球場呢?準備什麼時候告? |
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就是基本上要對於那個損失到底是多少所以現在對於台率損失多少還沒有掌握嗎因為我們目前知道台率到底還需要多久才知道它會損失多少不好意思齁我給你回答問題請你針對問題回答我們在上面問答不是我在這邊講你在那邊各說各話我們一個問題一個問題來把它講清楚第一個你說還沒有提民事訴訟理由是說損失還要評估 |
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這個損失還要評估多久因為這個東西我們跟台泥當中有許多的現在繼續要進行仲裁那因為有一些的可能可以透過仲裁拿回一些我們的一些那個金額所以到時候要等到仲裁結束以後會比較確定的知道說到底確定的金額以後提告的對象是誰應該就是如果說要看如果能夠離得近再經過減掉的協助的話那應該就是經理人 |
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經理人是誰?應該是經理人經理人是誰?就經理人就是過去我們就過去台綠的董事長跟總經理所以是要對陳起玉提告?就是說等到確定以後看看我只提醒你們一件事齁給的書面報告 |
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寫清楚還要評估多久第二個請經濟部特別注意督促喔消滅時效的問題你不要在那邊評估阿在那邊摸在那邊混阿等到消滅時效過去了以後大家要追究責任阿才說阿不好意思我們提告太晚了阿對方提出消滅時效的抗辯阿內行的人阿知道要怎麼放水 |
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所以我特別在這邊質詢提醒一下經濟部好好督促國家損失多少錢台率損失多少錢每一塊錢全部都要追回來部長可以承諾嗎 |
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我的範圍內一定沒問題啊 可以啦 部長權力很大 我對你有信心啦 你的範圍內一定可以把這個事情處理得很徹底啊第二個事情喔 我上次在這邊質詢 我問說 台南七股的漁電工生案 一樣喔 是台研綠能的喔我問他們 說你們處理了沒有 結果次長在這邊跟我說9月3號就移送了 |
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我聽了就很狐疑啊因為我一直掌握到的訊息從頭到尾處理只有嘉義、益族、台南、七股根本沒處理他上次在這邊回答我說9月3號就移送了我說好沒有關係啊在國會備詢不要信口開河回去用書面報告啊交上來結果交上來了以後啊部長根本沒處理啊還在了解當中啊這樣的效率部長滿意嗎 |
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呃 我想我跟委員一樣 不會很滿意不會很滿意嗎 好請部長回去齁 轉告次長上次我把他當成是他資訊不足不是故意說話書面回來沒有好好處理部長也不滿意嗎 |
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麻煩回去督促我只問一個問題啊因為台研綠能在台南七股搞的爛事我質詢很多次了但是我邊質詢就邊在看我們的經濟部我們的台研到底有沒有把它當回事啊結果到最近書面回覆確定沒有處理嘛 |
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那為什麼我會提醒經濟部這件事情一定要處理阿非常快我很快就把它結束了因為犯罪手法跟嘉義異族的犯罪手法跟在台南七股阿一模一樣一模一樣也就是大把的錢全部都在外面的白手套公司那個白手套公司叫紅輝負責人現在被收押了 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
397.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
422.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
為什麼叫他白手套公司因為陳啟玉的兒子在那邊看著那個錢包嘛肥肉全部都到白手套公司結果我們國家的台顏綠能拿著台顏綠能的招牌啊去做生意結果台顏綠能以商業術語來講不要說吃骨頭啊渣渣分到一點渣渣嘉義一族跟台南七股一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
423.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
438.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
而且這件事情誇張到什麼程度啊這件事情誇張到當初在幹這件事情的時候台南七股實際上面營運控的是誰啊是聯合再生捏是聯合再生捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
439.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
466.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
又是我們另外一個我們的國發會投資啊號稱綠能國家隊跟我們另外一個打著國家的招牌的台研綠能在搞這種事情啊部長您稍微看一下我把發票都貼上去了我為什麼把發票貼上去啊那家公司電力公司就是當初聯合再生實際上面控制的那家電力公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
470.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
496.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
第一期兩千兩百萬第二期一千一百萬付給誰?付給鴻輝就是我剛所講的白手套公司上面的名目是什麼?服務費服務費一期的服務費兩千兩百萬一期的服務費一千一百萬這到底是服務費還是開發票給回扣再洗錢請台元綠能 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
501.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
520.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
請台媛綠能回去了解清楚好嗎?好那第二個部分因為也涉及到我們國發會國發會裡面有董事的聯合再生嘛那剛好我們國發會在聯合再生裡面也有董事請我們的國發會在聯合再生的董事去了解清楚可以嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
523.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
547.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
國發會的部分我要徵詢沒有關係阿您很容易阿你打個電話給國發會的主委說阿主委我今天在經濟委員會有一個立委叫黃國昌質詢了這個問題提醒我跟您講一聲這樣可以嗎好我來打電話看他要表現因為這些事情太離譜了阿我一直在追的案子一個聯合再生一個台研令人兩個都出事結果這兩家公司還連結在一起在台南旗鼓 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
548.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
550.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
但大家好奇的是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
550.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
554.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
台南七股這個案子是不是因為聯合再生也有份? |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
554.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
556.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
台研綠能也有份? |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
556.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
559.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
到目前為止從經濟部到檢調根本沒有人在動 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
587.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
再麻煩部長回去瞭解一下,可以嗎?我要瞭解這個過程,因為我們不是檢調,所以請檢調幫忙。 是,這我瞭解。 是,是,是,是,是,不會啦,《台言綠能》裡面很多資料啦,經濟部肯查的話,絕對查得出來啊。這些發票... 因為我們不是檢調的專業,所以也很難判斷。沒有啦,這些發票我都拿得到,我跟部長保證,你們只要有人願意去《台言綠能》查,一定查得出來的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
588.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
589.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
請部長拍人下去查 |
| IVOD_ID |
157523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157523 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-17 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T11:44:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T11:55:01+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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