| IVOD_ID |
157514 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157514 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T11:20:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T11:29:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4b9db3dc7042177afdecaeb2dff459476e756e96dd8ac7a38660580be52668217e16859af7a544885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:05 - 11:29:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席。我想要請部長跟台電的總經理。請郭部長、王總經理。 |
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部長,我看到你昨天在工商協經會的早餐會裡面你有說到2033年我們要增加1786萬千瓦的電所以不會缺電,也不會缺綠電,是不是? |
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我好像沒有機會講這段話你沒有講啊?所以這不是你講的是不是?應該不是我講的是喔?所以你沒有講這個話?所以會缺電?不是啊那個訊息可能是他們問的然後這個我們統一回答的啦不是問你是不是?所以會缺電是不是?哪一個?2033年 |
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2030年如果什麼都不改變的話當然以那個市場需求用現在的供電量當然就是會缺阿會缺電是不是如果我們不增加電廠的話它就會缺電阿所以我們現在目前勒目前天然氣我講過了到2030年我完全都不缺電完全不缺電包括綠電都不缺都不缺嘛是不是那什麼情況下 |
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最重要最重要的是北部的協和電廠 |
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新核能跟核能有什麼差別? |
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新核能可能是在談那個核融合的部分核融合的這個發電模式它不會產生核廢料舊的會產生核廢料那我們如果舊的要用就是這個核廢料可以完全處理第二個安全無力第三個全民共識 |
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那所以不管是如何嘛即便是核廢料現在也是儲存了等未來有一天就是世界的技術有辦法改變的時候我們就會處理那些核廢料嘛所以不管是核能新核能都是安全無虞可以使用的是不是 |
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那會不會考慮在 |
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其他地方買核電這個就是它的成本只要符合我們的要求然後也是在輸送電上面沒有問題這個是我們考慮滿足國內電力需求的一個方法方法上面是可以來檢討的 |
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好 我還要請問喔 就是你也 所以昨天那篇報導裡面都不是你講的 是不是昨天那個 就是現在工商時報那篇報導裡面都不是你講的我沒有看到那個報導都不是你講的如果他講是我講的 可能就是這個月是我講的 |
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蔣麗芸議員 |
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根據這個如果不缺綠電的情況下我們知道現在目前綠電都被就是高科技產業大企業都包走了是不是那在這個情況下中小企業呢沒有問題我們現在有一個新的綠電平台完全來照顧中小企業中小企業對於中小企業有沒有就是給予更好的照顧 |
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除了綠電平台以外當然當然我們希望如此是不是希望如此能夠讓他們買到充足的綠電是不是我們讓他買到充足的綠電以外讓他買得到這個是一個關鍵第二個買到他想要的量也是一個關鍵對還有價格對還有他的價格具有競爭力 |
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那是不是也可以爭取讓碳費來補助中小企業因為你現在要求中小企業他們要做ASCO是用自己的那個電嘛可是未來如果他們節能提供更高的誘因讓他們能夠去換節能的商品啊 對不對 |
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川普說對中國 |
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所以他未來會統一10%?他對美墨對墨西哥還有對加拿大他是增加25% |
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所以這是不是,所以我才請教你,是不是放風一下 |
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中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分 |
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下60%的這個決定比較容易但是做起來有困難所以有可能就是10%是全面性的不同的產品不同的產品會有不同的類別那對於臺灣在大陸就是說臺商在大陸的企業會有什麼樣影響?你們有評估嗎?我們有評估那影響大嗎?有各種不同的scenario |
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那影響大嗎?他的各家稅,什麼部份影響最大?可能對中國他的加稅的品項,什麼東西對台灣的支援?應該是車啦,太陽能啦,還有這個LED啦,他自己有優勢產業的他或者是他大力在補助的這些產業當然就是會有一些影響,因為我想美國就是怕他用不公平的競爭嘛 |
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所以會建構那個防禦的堡壘已經建構在他美國可能需求不高或者需求很高的這種特殊的產業 |
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那對於墨西哥加拿大呢?那裡也有台商?墨西哥他就是在懲罰中國的廠商啊對 那裡也有台商啊會不會影響到?我們台商我跟委員報告我所了解的說我們的台商應該是在德州附近或者新墨西哥州的那個部分所以他有重疊的隔了一條街過去就是美國所以基本上我所了解的是這樣所以台商很厲害台商他一定會調整的 |
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現在25%的照顧 照顧並非美國的我覺得我們還是要就是說優先要照顧我們的僑商我們一定有各種不同的 scenario 在裡面當然有可能就是說你注意到的是在德州或者是新墨西哥州當然在墨西哥還是有我們的台商還是我們的僑商所以對於他們的協助應該要增加然後也不要讓他們受到這一波關稅的影響好不好 |
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謝謝委員吹詢 |
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謝謝主席，我想要請部長跟台電的總經理。 |
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主席 |
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請郭部長、王總經理。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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委員好。 |
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部長，我看到你昨天在工商協進會的早餐會裡面說到，2033年我們要增加1,786萬千瓦的電，所以不會缺電、也不會缺綠電，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝 |
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我好像沒有機會講這一段話。 |
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你沒有講呀？ |
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這不是你講的，是不是？ |
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應該不是我講的。 |
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是喔，你沒有講這個話，所以會缺電？不是！ |
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那個訊息可能是他們問的，然後我們統一回答的，不是問我的、沒有問我。 |
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不是問你，是不是？ |
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所以會缺電，是不是？ |
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哪一個？2033年？對。 |
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如果什麼都不改變的話，以那個市場需求，用現在的供電量當然就是會缺呀。 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:30.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
會缺電，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:30.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:34.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
如果我們不增加電廠的話就會缺電。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:35.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:35.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我們現在呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:36.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:38.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
目前天然氣…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:38.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:46.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我講過了，到2030年完全都不缺電、完全不缺電，包括綠電都不缺。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:46.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:47.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
都不缺，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:48.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:49.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
那什麼情況下會缺電？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:49.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:50.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你說不改變的情況下。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:50.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:51.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
不讓我增加電廠…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:51.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:52.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
哪一個電廠不增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:52.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:53.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
各個電廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:53.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:54.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
有哪一個電廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:50.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:52.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我們在這六年內，最重要、最重要的是北部的協和電廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:52.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-11-27T11:21:57.123333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
協和電廠，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-11-27T11:21:57.123333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-11-27T11:22:02.145667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
如果協和電廠沒有辦法的話就會缺電？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-11-27T11:22:02.145667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-11-27T11:22:07.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
就會缺電，但我還是要去解決這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-11-27T11:22:07.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-11-27T11:22:09.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
可是你們在昨天那個會裡面提到的就是新核能的部分，新核能跟核能有什麼差別？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.324 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-11-27T11:22:26.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-11-27T11:22:48.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
新核能可能是在談核融合的部分，核融合發電模式不會產生核廢料，舊的會產生核廢料，我們如果要用舊的，就是這個核廢料可以完全處理；第二個，安全無慮；第三個，全民共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-11-27T11:22:50.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:04.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
不管是如何，即便是核廢料，現在也是儲存了，等未來有一天，就是世界的技術有辦法改變的時候，我們就會處理那些核廢料嘛。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:05.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:09.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
所以不管是核能或新核能都是安全無虞、可以使用的，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:09.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:14.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們所謂的新的核能就是剛才講的那三個基本原則，三個基本原則大家都能夠接受了，那麼我想不管是原有的核能設施或者新的核能設施都會去參考來使用。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:14.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:37.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
那會不會考慮在其他地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:37.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:38.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
你之前都有說過要買光電、要買什麼，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:38.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:39.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
會不會在其他地方買核電？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:38.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:44.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
關於其他地方買核電這個部分，它的成本只要符合我們的要求，然後在輸送電上面也沒有問題，這個是我們考慮滿足國內電力需求的一個方法。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:44.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-11-27T11:23:45.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
也是有可能的吧，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-11-27T11:23:44.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:05.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
方法上面是可以來檢討的。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:06.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:12.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我還要請問，所以昨天那一篇報導裡面都不是你講的，是不是？什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:15.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:18.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
就是工商時報那篇報導裡面都不是你講的？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:18.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:19.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我沒有看到那個報導。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:19.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:20.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
都不是你講的，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:20.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:24.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
如果他講是我講的，可能就是……我講的。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:24.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:30.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
是你講的？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:30.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:37.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
不是，報紙應該不會亂寫吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:37.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:43.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們相信臺灣的媒體應該都是公允公正的，不會空穴來風，只是有時候可能會稍微再加一點他們的看法。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:43.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:53.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
根據這個假設不缺綠電的情況下，我們知道目前綠電都被高科技產業、大企業包走了，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:53.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-11-27T11:24:55.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
那在這個情況下，中小企業呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-11-27T11:24:56.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:04.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
沒有問題，我們現在有一個新的綠電平台，完全來照顧中小企業。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:04.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:09.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
對於中小企業，除了綠電平台以外，有沒有給予更好的照顧？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:11.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:11.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
當然，當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:12.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:12.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們希望如此。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:13.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:17.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
是不是能夠讓他們買到充足的綠電？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:18.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:24.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
第一個，我們讓他們買得到充足的綠電，這是一個關鍵。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:24.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:26.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
第二個，讓他們買到他們想要的量，這也是一個關鍵。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:26.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:26.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
對，還有價格。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:26.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:27.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
對，還有價格具有競爭力。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:31.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:36.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
那是不是也可以爭取讓碳費來補助中小企業？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:36.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:51.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
因為你現在要求中小企業他們要做ESCO是用自己的電，可是未來如果提供更高的誘因，就能讓他們能夠去換節能的商品，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:51.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:53.833857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
謝謝委員這麼好的意見，這個我們回去馬上檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:53.833857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:56.455714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:56.455714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-11-27T11:25:59.077571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
讓他們換低碳的設備，不然為什麼他們要改變設備呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-11-27T11:25:59.077571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:01.699429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
沒有充分的誘因的情況下，他們就不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:01.699429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:04.321286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
再來，最後一個就是川普說對中國要提高10%的關稅，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:04.321286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:06.943143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
好像比選前降低了，這是不是風向？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:06.943143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:09.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
也不是這樣子，我們在看，他應該是根據他的需求，他應該是根據分類，不一樣的產品給不同的稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:09.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:09.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
所以他未來會統一課10%的關稅？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:09.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:37.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
他對墨西哥和加拿大是增加25%，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:37.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:38.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
這個稅，我想對他來講都是一種措施，在調整他國內的競爭力，所以一旦形成有競爭力以後，他可能還是會開放，因為稅太高會影響通膨。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:38.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:39.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
所以我才來請教你這是不是放風向。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:39.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-11-27T11:26:53.154333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
是不是放風向？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-11-27T11:26:53.154333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:06.322667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
現在是10%，未來呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:06.322667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:19.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
應該不是放風向，因為有時候選舉講的話，實際在做的時候，大概會去調整，他一定要soft landing，這種事情，下60%的這個決定比較容易，但是做起來有困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.294 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:19.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:22.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
所以有可能就是10%是全面性的。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:22.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:23.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
不同的產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:23.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:25.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
不同的產品會用不同的類別？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:26.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:32.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
那對於臺商在大陸的企業會有什麼樣的影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:32.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:33.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你們有評估嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:33.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:34.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我們有評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:35.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:36.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
那影響大嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:36.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:37.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
有各種不同的scenario。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:38.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:39.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
那影響大嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:40.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:42.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
什麼部分影響最大？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:43.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-11-27T11:27:50.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
可能對中國加稅的品項，什麼東西對臺灣的產業影響最大？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-11-27T11:27:51.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:18.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
應該是汽車、太陽能、LED等，這些中國自己有優勢產業的，或者是它大力在補助的這些產業，當然就是會有一些影響，我想因為美國就是怕它用不公平的競爭，所以會建構防禦的堡壘，一定是建構在美國可能需求不高或需求很高的特殊產業。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:19.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:21.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
那對於墨西哥、加拿大呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:22.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:23.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那裡也有臺商。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:23.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:26.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
對墨西哥的部分，它就是在懲罰中國的廠商啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:27.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:28.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
對，那裡也有臺商，會不會…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:29.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:52.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我跟委員報告，我所了解的，就是我們的臺商應該是在德州附近或新墨西哥州，所以會有重疊的，隔了一條街，過去就是美國，所以基本上我所了解的是這樣，臺商很厲害，臺商一定會調整的，關稅若升到25%，他們會跑過去，過了界就是美國的啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:53.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:56.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我覺得我們還是要先照顧我們的臺商。當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:57.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-11-27T11:28:59.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我們一定會有各種不同的scenario在裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-11-27T11:28:59.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-11-27T11:29:01.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
對，對，對。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-11-27T11:29:01.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-11-27T11:29:17.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
當然有可能就是說，你注意到的是在德州或者是新墨西哥州，在墨西哥還是有我們的臺商，還是有我們的僑胞，所以對於他們的協助應該要增加，然後也不要讓他們受到這一波關稅的影響，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-11-27T11:29:17.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-11-27T11:29:18.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-11-27T11:29:18.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-11-27T11:29:18.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
謝謝委員垂詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-11-27T11:29:19.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-11-27T11:29:21.505714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
請林月琴委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| gazette.lineno |
785 |
| gazette.blocks[0][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：（11時20分）謝謝主席，我想要請部長跟台電的總經理。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：請郭部長、王總經理。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：部長，我看到你昨天在工商協進會的早餐會裡面說到，2033年我們要增加1,786萬千瓦的電，所以不會缺電、也不會缺綠電，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[4][0] |
郭部長智輝：我好像沒有機會講這一段話。 |
| gazette.blocks[5][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：你沒有講呀？這不是你講的，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[6][0] |
郭部長智輝：應該不是我講的。 |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：是喔，你沒有講這個話，所以會缺電？ |
| gazette.blocks[8][0] |
郭部長智輝：不是！那個訊息可能是他們問的，然後我們統一回答的，不是問我的、沒有問我。 |
| gazette.blocks[9][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：不是問你，是不是？所以會缺電，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[10][0] |
郭部長智輝：哪一個？2033年？ |
| gazette.blocks[11][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[12][0] |
郭部長智輝：如果什麼都不改變的話，以那個市場需求，用現在的供電量當然就是會缺呀。 |
| gazette.blocks[13][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：會缺電，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[14][0] |
郭部長智輝：如果我們不增加電廠的話就會缺電。 |
| gazette.blocks[15][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：我們現在呢？目前天然氣…… |
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郭部長智輝：我講過了，到2030年完全都不缺電、完全不缺電，包括綠電都不缺。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：都不缺，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
郭部長智輝：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[19][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：那什麼情況下會缺電？你說不改變的情況下。 |
| gazette.blocks[20][0] |
郭部長智輝：不讓我增加電廠…… |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：哪一個電廠不增加？ |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
郭部長智輝：各個電廠。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：有哪一個電廠？ |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們在這六年內，最重要、最重要的是北部的協和電廠。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：協和電廠，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
郭部長智輝：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：如果協和電廠沒有辦法的話就會缺電？ |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
郭部長智輝：就會缺電，但我還是要去解決這個問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：可是你們在昨天那個會裡面提到的就是新核能的部分，新核能跟核能有什麼差別？ |
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郭部長智輝：新核能可能是在談核融合的部分，核融合發電模式不會產生核廢料，舊的會產生核廢料，我們如果要用舊的，就是這個核廢料可以完全處理；第二個，安全無慮；第三個，全民共識。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：不管是如何，即便是核廢料，現在也是儲存了，等未來有一天，就是世界的技術有辦法改變的時候，我們就會處理那些核廢料嘛。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以不管是核能或新核能都是安全無虞、可以使用的，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們所謂的新的核能就是剛才講的那三個基本原則，三個基本原則大家都能夠接受了，那麼我想不管是原有的核能設施或者新的核能設施都會去參考來使用。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那會不會考慮在其他地方？你之前都有說過要買光電、要買什麼，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：會不會在其他地方買核電？ |
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郭部長智輝：關於其他地方買核電這個部分，它的成本只要符合我們的要求，然後在輸送電上面也沒有問題，這個是我們考慮滿足國內電力需求的一個方法。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：也是有可能的吧，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：方法上面是可以來檢討的。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好。我還要請問，所以昨天那一篇報導裡面都不是你講的，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：什麼？ |
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謝委員衣鳯：就是工商時報那篇報導裡面都不是你講的？ |
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郭部長智輝：我沒有看到那個報導。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：都不是你講的，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
郭部長智輝：如果他講是我講的，可能就是……我講的。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：是你講的？ |
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郭部長智輝：不是，報紙應該不會亂寫吧！我們相信臺灣的媒體應該都是公允公正的，不會空穴來風，只是有時候可能會稍微再加一點他們的看法。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：根據這個假設不缺綠電的情況下，我們知道目前綠電都被高科技產業、大企業包走了，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那在這個情況下，中小企業呢？ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有問題，我們現在有一個新的綠電平台，完全來照顧中小企業。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對於中小企業，除了綠電平台以外，有沒有給予更好的照顧？ |
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郭部長智輝：當然，當然。我們希望如此。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：是不是能夠讓他們買到充足的綠電？ |
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郭部長智輝：第一個，我們讓他們買得到充足的綠電，這是一個關鍵。第二個，讓他們買到他們想要的量，這也是一個關鍵。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對，還有價格。 |
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郭部長智輝：對，還有價格具有競爭力。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那是不是也可以爭取讓碳費來補助中小企業？因為你現在要求中小企業他們要做ESCO是用自己的電，可是未來如果提供更高的誘因，就能讓他們能夠去換節能的商品，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員這麼好的意見，這個我們回去馬上檢討。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對不對？讓他們換低碳的設備，不然為什麼他們要改變設備呢？沒有充分的誘因的情況下，他們就不會。 |
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再來，最後一個就是川普說對中國要提高10%的關稅，是不是？好像比選前降低了，這是不是風向？ |
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郭部長智輝：也不是這樣子，我們在看，他應該是根據他的需求，他應該是根據分類，不一樣的產品給不同的稅。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以他未來會統一課10%的關稅？他對墨西哥和加拿大是增加25%，是不是？ |
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郭部長智輝：這個稅，我想對他來講都是一種措施，在調整他國內的競爭力，所以一旦形成有競爭力以後，他可能還是會開放，因為稅太高會影響通膨。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以我才來請教你這是不是放風向。是不是放風向？現在是10%，未來呢？ |
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郭部長智輝：應該不是放風向，因為有時候選舉講的話，實際在做的時候，大概會去調整，他一定要soft landing，這種事情，下60%的這個決定比較容易，但是做起來有困難。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以有可能就是10%是全面性的。 |
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郭部長智輝：不同的產品。 |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：不同的產品會用不同的類別？ |
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郭部長智輝：對。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那對於臺商在大陸的企業會有什麼樣的影響？你們有評估嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們有評估。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：那影響大嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
郭部長智輝：有各種不同的scenario。 |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：那影響大嗎？什麼部分影響最大？可能對中國加稅的品項，什麼東西對臺灣的產業影響最大？ |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
郭部長智輝：應該是汽車、太陽能、LED等，這些中國自己有優勢產業的，或者是它大力在補助的這些產業，當然就是會有一些影響，我想因為美國就是怕它用不公平的競爭，所以會建構防禦的堡壘，一定是建構在美國可能需求不高或需求很高的特殊產業。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那對於墨西哥、加拿大呢？那裡也有臺商。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
郭部長智輝：對墨西哥的部分，它就是在懲罰中國的廠商啊。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對，那裡也有臺商，會不會…… |
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郭部長智輝：我跟委員報告，我所了解的，就是我們的臺商應該是在德州附近或新墨西哥州，所以會有重疊的，隔了一條街，過去就是美國，所以基本上我所了解的是這樣，臺商很厲害，臺商一定會調整的，關稅若升到25%，他們會跑過去，過了界就是美國的啊。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我覺得我們還是要先照顧我們的臺商。 |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
郭部長智輝：當然。我們一定會有各種不同的scenario在裡面。 |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：對，對，對。當然有可能就是說，你注意到的是在德州或者是新墨西哥州，在墨西哥還是有我們的臺商，還是有我們的僑胞，所以對於他們的協助應該要增加，然後也不要讓他們受到這一波關稅的影響，好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
謝委員衣鳯：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
郭部長智輝：謝謝委員垂詢。 |
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主席：請林月琴委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
308 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-17 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
245 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-27 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310501 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310501_00010 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310501_00012 |