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| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:14 - 10:18:18 |
| 影片長度 |
544 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家安全局、文化部、內政部警政署、大陸委員會報告「從『國有器官』在台播映困境看中國對台灣的長臂管轄策略，及我國的因應方案」，並備質詢。） |
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國安局副局長 |
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你好那這個剛才也有委員提到了這個這個中華隊選手回台灣之後的階級維安問題那本席在這邊呢也有非常多的疑問想要跟這個維安的部分去做討論賴清德總統呢在11月24號也就是中華隊奪冠的那一天呢他下令什麼最高規格的階級維安局有收到這樣子的一個下令嗎 |
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國安局有抽到這樣一下嗎?就賴總統說的最高規格階級,你們知道這件事嗎?欸,你不回答是什麼意思啊?那個,這個部分我們特勤中心沒有收到這樣的訊息。所以你們也不看新聞的是嗎?你們就把它當成一般的階級。我們很重視。你們很重視,但是你們沒有聽到我們的我國元首說,這一次的階級要用最高規格。不知道,你們不知道這件事。 |
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我看你那麼久都沒有回答我我已經心裡有數了你也不用再硬想你剛剛說你不知道嘛對吧 |
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我可以這麼說嗎?我這樣的陳述是事實吧? |
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是,那個委員,因為這個部分是我們特定中心在負責,我是不是請我們副指揮官來回答?當然可以,可是我要問的就是說,你是副局長啊,因為今天局長不在,不然我想問局長啊,但是因為我先第一個問題是強調賴總統他說的最高規格, |
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那到底國安局我們在特勤上面有沒有接到指示是說這是要用最高規格我想總統說的最高規格是一個歡迎的規格但我們維安有維安的一個規格他是說階級要最高規格那當然跟維安有實際的連結跟關係啊那否則民眾當然自己會去那請問那最高規格是要怎麼樣 |
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最高規格在國安局我就單講你們國安局的維安特勤好了什麼叫最高規格以你們國安跟特勤單位的最高規格來講的話你們可以做到什麼程度就是當天那樣的程度叫做最高規格嗎 |
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總統應該不是指維安的規格他說階級他說整個階級的規格都要最高那你們是不是屬於階級裡面其中一環那你們是不是也等同於你們要用最高規格來做維安跟特勤還是你覺得說要總統講最高規格那不然他講的是誰嘛那當然特勤人員是一個副總統都要去了那你維安你還不用高規格的去那不是很離譜跟荒謬嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們特請會看現地的情況現地的情況你現地的情況你就讓我看到了我們蕭美琴副總統後面衝出一群黃衣服的史稱黃金之亂這就是你們的最高規格嗎那委員我們是請可以請說 |
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委員好,你剛羅委員也提過那我前面三段我就不講那我講兩個重點的部分第一個當天到現場現刊之後我們協同六個單位去做整個動線的會刊跟列寧場所的會刊那剛也解釋過外面就是管制區外他比較有安全顧慮我們放在管制區內這個都是經過安檢進到管制區內的包含下機的人都是經過安檢進到 |
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對跟你講第二個部分就是我們一般合影的儀節分成兩個部分一個是計劃性一個是非計劃性那非計劃性就像總統到很多開放的場域很多熱情的民眾去要求那主辦單位跟辦公室的主任或者是秘書協調可能會因為很熱情的邀約 |
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是得到這個許可的嗎?我們特警都會在這邊 |
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這個是剛剛跟您報告的分成計劃性跟非計劃性對我知道我在後面那一段嘛但不是啊因為你就算非計劃性你也不可能讓所有人擠進來這仍然有危安問題啊您如果您看到那個片子前面那一段的話他們進去拉那個布條的時候我們的危安人員是在旁邊做戒護讓他安全的拉完布條之後同意他們進到裡面去跟他們合影但是 |
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主辦單位跟總統辦公室都同意讓這群黃衣服的人在旁邊一起拍照,是這樣嗎?同意他們進來拍照,但是我們可以從影片看到,他們是從後面一直串到前面那在這個時候,特勤人員為什麼沒有動作? |
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我們的人那個都是管制區經過認證的管制區但是人家往前衝的時候那你們動作在哪裡我們從影片上面看到的是黃衣服的人甚至轉頭過來吼我們的維安人員叫你們退後欸那難道我們的維安人員就是特勤人員說一個大媽叫你退後你就退後了嗎那這樣的話不是很荒唐嗎我們從影片看到都是這樣欸你有看到那個影片嗎 |
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所以你看你們根本這件事情從25號到現在已經要幾號了現在已經時間過了不知道幾號現在已經這麼多天大家都在討論了你連當天的影片你們都沒有重新檢討重新看過你們連你們的特勤人員被黃衣大媽吼了你們都不知道 |
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這怎麼可以呢?那又 又肩負著我們中華隊的球員的安全還肩負著我們蔡英文 呃 對不起喔 蕭美琴副總統的安全那 你們在旁邊 你們只會在那邊看然後結果人家在那邊推擠 在那邊撞 那萬一跌倒了怎麼辦? |
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人家這個我們陳捷憲他本來小朋友的他找不到他的太太跟他的小孩子那這個這麼混亂的一個狀況我們的特勤人員就只在旁邊看沒有其他任何可以協助的地方我也是跟過馬前總統的 |
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沒有看過這樣的維安情況啊都是事前當天會隔開人當有一些人他要就算他是要跟馬天宗握手或什麼這種情況的時候我國的元首的維安是他都會去幫忙擋的耶那今天那一群黃衣服的衝到前面衝到蕭美琴副總統旁邊衝到球員旁邊的時候你們為什麼沒有去幫忙擋 |
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雖然是屬於非計劃性的但他的管道不對他沒有有秩序的排列他沒有按照依序走進來的這個情況他是從後面一窩蜂的人突然衝到前面去你們沒有要求他們先往後你們沒有說你們先往後一個一個來 |
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特勤人員是這麼好講話的嗎我過去見過都不是這樣欸我見過的特勤人太多了從總統選舉、副總統選舉、馬前總統我從來沒有看過特勤人員這樣子欸用這麼鬆散的態度面對這件事情欸可以給我們的針對執行技巧的部分我們會再要求加強可能真的要很加強欸不然真的你就直接讓一群人就他們也是他們今天如果是壯漢說你們守不住就算了他們有一群就是 |
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大媽啊你們特勤人員對他們毫無辦法我真的不解所以我覺得國安局在特勤人員這塊回去真的要鄭重檢討因為我們的國人看了之後都覺得非常傻眼怎麼會有大媽轉過頭來吼特勤人員然後特勤人員就哎呦後退了的情況你們這種情形怎麼讓大家能夠全民能夠相信你們可以保衛中華民國的總統副總統呢所以拜託拜託你回去把整個影片重看 |
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從看過之後依序檢討我今天在這裡問有沒有被吼有沒有發生什麼事你們竟然回答不出來所有網友看影片都比你們看得還細代表你們沒有好好檢討今天來就知道應該會被問這個問題所以拜託一下好不好 |
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謝謝徐委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157476 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157476 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-18 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T10:09:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T10:18:18+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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