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| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:19 - 09:38:26 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】） |
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財政部副部長 |
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委員長 你說剛剛報告裡面講說今天這個預算會編列為暫時的這個是因為暫時是1000億是因為112年度的這個稅計剩餘要經過審計部審定之後才能夠事實上是不會根本就是超過 |
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一百一十二年的稅基正餘（什麼時候審定啊（ |
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一般都是在七月的時候審定那今年七月已經過了已經過了十個月了那因為在當時在編這個追加預算的時間是在七月之前但是你現在已經知道了啊現在已經確定所以我們在報告裡面講因為在編列這個追加預算案的時候審計部的那個還沒有審定所以我們在編列他審定的時候稅計剩餘是多少稅計剩餘這個可能多少112年度的 |
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704470444億元稅計剩餘7044億元是12年是不是12年那請那個陳主席長112年的稅計剩餘有7000多億那不是打破歷年紀錄以前最高就4000多億而已啊 |
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委員一百一十二年當年度是2790然後他有把歷年的累積剩餘再加上來到一百一十二年度累積剩餘是7044那因為有一些的部分就是轉帳之後到目前為止剩下一百五十八億因為也有編了一百一十四年度的預算包括這一筆一千億如果放算經濟我們到目前為止是剩下一百五十八億以上請回座 |
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部長,所以你資料弄錯了。因為歷年的稅率剩餘有的已經花掉了以前的那個裡面也有這個 |
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轉發因為那個在疫情期間也撥補然後另外又補貼國人一個人年幾千塊那個你都忘掉了嗎?是是我想我們剛剛沒有把這個前面講清楚是好112年稅率剩餘是2700多億當然有一些用在後面的預算有一些之前有一些規劃預算但是再加上這一千億的撥補 |
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委員長 前幾天 |
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你的報告裡面講到說跟韓國比起來我們的工業用電就是在調整價格之後我們是4.27元韓國是4.77元明顯還比他低了0.5元可是前幾天我怎麼看到媒體的報導台積電有高層當然沒有講誰在抱怨說這個電費太高已經失去國際競爭力 |
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那難道我們比相同經濟條件工業生產國家的工業用地要高嗎?費用要高嗎? |
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臺積電所在的廠有好幾個但是沒有韓國所以日本的電力比我們低他現在在九州投資接下來會拿到確實的電價我們也在跟九州電力做了解因為日本對於不同的工業的用電的價格 |
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其實他的那個試算表非常複雜（比台灣複雜非常的多（他到底是適用了什麼級距（有怎樣的優惠（我想我們會確定去了解（但是我要跟委員報告我想說（ |
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吳秉叡 |
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我跟委員報告這一點是這個樣子我們基本上還是會再跟國內的業者做一些比對跟查證 |
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還是因為台積電有一些他必須要用綠能的用電所以他自己去跟人家短購短購的比較貴那個綠能短購的部分這個就跟不同的案場有很大的差距我想這不太容易比較是所以這件事情要釐清啦因為台積電是一個全國都矚目的公司他一旦這樣講的話你們不馬上出來澄清 |
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吳秉叡吳秉叡吳秉叡吳秉叡 |
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其實我是這樣講是得罪人啦但是一個每年賺上兆以上公司的錢賺上兆以上錢的公司他生產的地方在台電在台灣他適當的在這個生產的成本裡面我相信這個電價在他生產的成本裡面是微不足道 |
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他們不是主動講的 |
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吳秉叡 |
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委員報告就是美國的工業電價一向都是全世界非常非常低但是因為美國是能源生產國很特別啦美國是能源生產國他的頁油鹽、天然氣將來川普當選之後他現在要恢復生產他根本就沒有什麼他的運輸成本跟台灣的能源的運輸成本是沒有辦法比較嘛沒錯我們需不需要加上去沒有錯 |
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是啊 所以我是覺得要這些東西就是要溝通的不要到突然之間丟出一句話說這個太貴了事實上台灣的工業用電調整我們認為要符合你的成本我們不能拿人民的納稅權去補貼這些賺錢的企業如果這個產業是台灣集聚要發展然後他目前是處於比較困頓的階段那我們贊成 |
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如果這個公司已經大賺錢了,要拿國家的稅金去補貼這樣子的大賺錢的公司,我覺得這個要慎重思考。不知道這樣看觀點你同不同意?報告委員,就是說我們其實您講的同意的,因為我們其實在電價審議會審查的時候,其實都有這些橫評考量,這跟委員報告。那目前來看,其實台電最多的累積虧損是積累在2022年跟2023年。 |
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川普當選對你們是大利多,因為他恢復美國的業油鹽跟天然氣的生產之後,我們的國際之間的能源,就是這些所謂的石化能源,它的價格,大家的預估是它會下降,會降到比現在的這個油價還要再低。 |
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所以這當然是利多成本的部分會減少但是我是覺得說跟社會的溝通隨時都要注意因為我們這麼大的公司很多事情要忙有的時候會疏於疏忽跟社會的溝通但是這個大家看這個資料看這個媒體會雞飛成石大家如果都是看到就這樣講沒看到台電怎麼講真的會誤會說你們是不是在賺這些這些工業大的生產公司的電錢 |
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跟委員報告我們其實當天就有做一些澄清但確實聲量不夠我們會再加強好加油謝謝好接下來我們請耐斯堡委員質詢 |
| IVOD_ID |
157459 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157459 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,19-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T09:29:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T09:38:26+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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