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| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:34:34 - 14:50:44 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算（公務預算及基金）。（僅詢答，113年12月6日下午5時截止收案）） |
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好 謝謝教委 那麻煩請那個部長 |
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委員好部長這兩天我不曉得你有沒有注意到一件事情因為我看到這個很有趣一定要跟你分享一下這兩天有一個非常知名的反菸團體就是董事基金會他們在媒體上宣稱全面禁售止菸是不切實際的做法 |
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那我看到這個之後我就忽然覺得很困惑了因為畢竟在很多年前我也曾經出席參加了他們這個董事基金會在立法院舉辦的記者會那這個記者會呢他是一個戒菸的記者會我非常清楚的記得這個記者會有一個重要活動就是報名參加戒菸的朋友 |
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有成功的話可以獲得數十萬元的高額獎金 |
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很怕菸味的我還特別在致詞的時候表示就是說我希望我們的柯總召可以拿到這個獎金所以我對這個記者會我印象非常的深刻結果回過頭來時至今日啊董事基金會的一位非常重要的靈魂人物竟然對外宣稱說全面禁售指菸是不切實際的做法 |
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那身為一個臺灣重要的反菸團體突然這樣的倡議我不禁要問部長請問什麼樣才是最實際的做法呢部長你怎麼看這個事情啊包委員其實我跟你一樣是很怕二手所以你會不會覺得也忽然困惑了起來你如果覺得困惑也沒關係這應該有他的一個講可能有他的一個背景我想董事記就是一直在 |
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反菸團體說青少年現在已經沒有怎麼抽止菸了這句話你認同嗎你怎麼看這件事情現在的青少年真的沒有怎麼抽止菸了嗎 |
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吳趙欣署長 |
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各位謝謝委員關心我想青少年抽任何一個菸品我們都不建議那目前其實子菸在青少年的吸煙率是有下降但是還是有相當大的部分你講這樣就對了嘛所以這個沒怎麼抽子菸這件事情是不對的嘛那所以部長是 |
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所以現在剛剛那一句話根本叫做睜眼說瞎話署長是不瞎的欸署長很專家好那根據國建署自己的調查喔高中生止煙吸煙率7.2%電子煙使用率8.8%加熱煙使用率1.9%那所以 |
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所以到底是哪裡來的青少年現在已經沒怎麼抽指煙了到底是誰在哄人說這種話還是他們自己瞎掰的我不知道因為部長你覺得7.2%的這個指煙吸煙率是非常低的嗎低到可以當作是沒有的概念嗎可以嗎 |
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還是相當高吧是啊我等一下換上給你看喔因為部長對於一個年年拿國建署補助款的這個反菸團體來說呢對於國建署調查的數據你把它當作沒有看到然後大剌剌的對外在那邊講說青少年現在已經不怎麼抽沒怎麼抽紙菸了 |
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然後接著轉頭要倡議說全面禁售職業是不切實際的做法我覺得這個邏輯我完全沒有辦法理解部長你可以理解這樣的邏輯嗎還是你贊同這樣的一個邏輯嗎還是署長你贊同 |
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那部長7.2%的這個止煙吸煙率到底有多高我來換算成人數給你看我們也參考了教育部112年高中職總人數是557600人來計算喔7.2%呢就等於多少人4100人你覺得4100個青少年抽煙這個人數是很少的嗎 |
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應該是很多好那部長一個團體反菸反到最後竟然是去力挺止菸這個是令大家嚴重錯愕的事情欸雖然我們不知道背後到底發生了什麼事但我們還是不希望說你衛福部到最後也出現同樣的問題然後大家反菸反到去挺止菸這個是很恐怖的事啊所以 |
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我這邊有一個我看一下 有一個簡報我們來看一下 |
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11月18日ETtoday新聞雲所做的民調臺灣健保財源面臨挑戰那我們的健保署署長石崇良他很辛苦考慮再三透過這個我不知道是他個人建議還是還是 |
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還是其他人建議就是說未來考慮調高證券交易或者房屋交易作為補充財源那同時也有專家建議說我們來仿效日本把消費稅也就是營業稅從目前的5%調高到10% |
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結果這個一投票不得了了總共有6233票的這個反對票同意的呢只有79票那這個沒有意見的32票這個就是這一體的調查結果那我們再來看看另外一個民調 |
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為了要籌措百億癌症基金政府也考慮建議開徵糖捐酒捐等稅捐來增加財源但是修法需要耗時費日 |
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這個這個緩不濟急所以題目是是否贊成此類的新措施結果這個調查也是很好玩我們看一下6294票反對那同意的有225票那只有11票是沒有意見的那為何我剛剛講的這兩題這個民眾投票都一面倒害我看到我也忍不住去按反對票 |
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| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
471.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
因為畢竟這些稅一調高大家很清楚嘛就萬物皆長了啊那誰要幹這種事情對不對那我們最後再來看一下喔 |
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478.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
496.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
相較於調高消費稅、營業稅、交易稅．偵涉糖捐．偵涉民眾負擔的這些方案．目前加熱菸已經修法通過．卡在國建署的無限拖延 |
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498.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
519.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
的健康風險評估還有造成你們這個走失猖獗那百億的煙圈流失你們看看從上面看左邊看右邊看這個空氣中瀰漫著我們看不到抓不到的百億這個稅就這樣子隨風而去所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
522.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
544.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
這一題就是問說您是否認為最有效最快速的方式是增加加速核准加熱菸產品上市然後立即開增加熱菸稅菸捐作為健保財源財務的這個緊急支援結果同意的嚇死我了高達7501票不同意的只有44票那沒意見的48票 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
547.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
569.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個特別提出來這裡給大家參考你們如果不趕快把這個百億的這個菸捐把它好好的這個讓政府入袋的話呢我想我們接下來就是我們全這個我們全國的納稅人就要多繳錢這也是很不合理的事情啊 |
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570.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
592.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
所以這個部長根據媒體所做的民調結果我不知道您是不是也就是認同啦就如同就是媒體最後的結論所說的因為本席畢竟從這個部長你上任到現在呢不斷的呼籲再呼籲國建署你不要一直故意在那裡技術性的拖延卡關 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
593.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
614.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那我們也都知道就是美國跟日本韓國大部分的國家也都有開放加熱菸了難道我們的國建署你是有能力還是有什麼本事去否定這些國家FDA所做的這些研究這些決定呢或者是說我們不了解的是執意卡關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
617.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
636.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
小數人到底有何難言之隱或者有受到什麼樣的壓力逼得我們石崇良署長必須要到處去找錢然後也逼得我們政府呢就像有如坐在百億黃金堆上的卻像民眾討錢的乞丐 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
638.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
657.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這是很奇怪的事情我不知道部長你到底有什麼樣的看法因為這個被公務人員這樣如此的公務人員去延宕這樣的事情像話嗎百億幾年了一年是減少百億多的稅收我們現在都延宕多久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
658.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
683.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我跟委員報告一下分兩點第一點就是剛剛ETtoday那個調查那個其實是假設性的問題我們並沒有要去研議那個剛剛講的消費稅啦、糖捐什麼沒有這回事我們研議的真的是現在在研議是補充保惠這個部分先說明一下你有現成的百億你收不到你更好進到別的地方嗎其實非常謝謝委員一直關心跟催省 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
688.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
702.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我想我們也一直在瞭解到整個國建署在審查這個加熱源這個進度我想那個是不是請吳司長跟委員報告一下我們現在的一個我們努力在審查的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
705.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
733.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
謝謝委員我想我們不會因為大家關因為我想社會都很關心這件事情那我們也按照我們所立的一些規範還有健康風險評估的一些機制那也尊重相關委員的一個審查的方式那根本上包括目前美國並沒有加熱菸的上市那韓國跟日本他是沒有審查就可以直接上市包括歐盟他是沒有審查的那唯一有審查就是美國跟我們那美國並沒有目前並沒有加熱菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
734.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
754.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
那所以我們就是繼續卡關那有的不值得參考我們有定了一個半年加半年一個審查期限那每一個我們也都是以公平扣卡關我想是這樣子我們在我上次質詢之後你們聽說你們國建署又開了一次健康風險評估的這個審查會議應該是第38次了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
759.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
775.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我們已經開了44次了所以上次給我的數據是錯的你們自己算錯因為數據是你們給的好那後面到底這個會議審查會議可以公開了沒有結論可以公開了沒有我們大概審查了有的結果就會公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
776.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
801.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
還有一個就是目前還不能公開你公開就要公開全部你不要又像那個那個假的地下署長在那裡跟我蘿莉巴說的那個因為是這樣子我們其實除了那個審查的那個過程結果要不到之外我們還有一樣東西也是要不到這個很奇妙不是我要不到而已不管各黨的各黨派的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
803.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
827.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
的辦公室都要不要這個看起來不像機密的資料就是因為因為我剛剛回到我們的那個反菸團體就是衛福部跟國健署每一年給反菸團體跟接菸團體這不包含的醫院的這個獎捐補助款大概是多少補助補助款對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
829.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
848.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
主席我問完這一題我就會解釋我們大概每兩年會舉辦一個戒菸救營比賽那是對外委託的一個案應該是委託案那個大概是將近不到800萬只有這樣子嗎是全部喔一般其他兩年兩年一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
849.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
863.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好那你們認為這個反映的效果成效如何啊戒菸的結果又如何你們衛福部有沒有要求他們做任何kpi來檢視這些或你們自己有沒有做任何kpi來檢視這些獎捐補助款的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
866.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
883.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我們這個比賽從過去的每一次大概有將近2萬多組那因為疫情的關係以後那疫情後大概目前都維持在1萬到1萬5組每一次辦理的時候那它的接驗成功6個月的接驗成功率大概是40% |
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885.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
900.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
所以這個只有這樣子簡單的一個那你們預期達到的目標我們一般的一般的戒菸就是一般多元服務的戒菸服務的成功率大概是以去年為例大概是33.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
903.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
922.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 我想這個部分齁 我在這裡要要求就是說你們要把近5年給反菸團體以及建菸團體的獎捐補助款明細提供給本委員會那同時要註記了這些團體領的這些錢之後達到什麼樣的KPI因為剛剛講的是很Rough啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
923.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
李慧琼 |
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939.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
939.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
陳瑩雯部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
968.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
969.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
鄭正前鄭正前鄭正前 |
| IVOD_ID |
157377 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157377 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T14:34:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T14:50:44+08:00 |
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