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| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:40 - 11:59:11 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院、法務部部長、內政部部長、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、勞動部、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「如何遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具，及打詐四法施行後相關子法及配套措施進度與具體成效之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席有請部長麻煩部長委員好部長你剛又在跟吳思堯一搭一唱又在講什麼才化法會去侵奪你們的司法單位的那個預算上次已經跟你講過了不要隨便配合造謠王上次吳思堯跟你們一搭一唱說我干涉個案你已經打臉他了 |
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原來現在就來講財化法啊財化法是不是中央集權又集權該修?您覺得呢?這部分是有沒有修我想是這是長久討論的一個問題我告訴你這句話賴清德講的啦是賴清德講的啦財化法今天就是打破今天中央集權又集權的一個狀況我說真的今天在後面聽吳仕堯講我也非得講不可 |
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第一個早期中央跟地方的所謂的經費是六成對四成嘛 對不對現在已經變成百分之七十五對二十五確實如賴清德講的啊中央集權又集錢啊造成很多地方政府今天財政困難很多建設推不動 |
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同時也讓中央政府在很多的預算上就會產生浪費的問題啊到處蓋文職館為什麼不把錢當錢嘛今天你跟我講財化法像我們政府又超收稅收4千億啊財化法今天就是健全地方的財政也去糾正過去 |
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今天民進黨政府他在集權又集權的過程當中很多預算分配不公平的問題所以跟你打詐預算什麼正能力打詐預算到底什麼關係啊部長你今天政府今天監察院那些浪費的出國的錢砍一砍你今天民進黨做大外宣養育媒的錢砍一砍不夠你打詐預算嗎今天打詐預算我們立法院要刪你嗎 |
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為什麼今天可以影響到你的打詐業務財化法修正會影響到你打詐業務嗎?會不會?部長告訴我啊當然我們是擔心整個因為我們預算不夠的一個擔心欸現在財化法還在審欸什麼預算不夠你這不浪費的錢吐出來絕對不會不夠啦不是嗎?你現在要預設財化法今天讓你打詐業務退不進去你去配合吳士堯、吳兆堯一搭一唱 |
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我本來懶得提他啦這幾個聽到我就也受不了啦沒辦法嘛愛造謠我就是要打臉他今天才化法的問題很簡單你政府中央部分你該要有的預算立法院一樣會審啊一樣會給啊但是你如果浪費預算我們就砍啊砍來給你法務部做打詐經費用啊 |
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怎麼會去滴答一唱說財化法會影響你們打詐的預算聽不下去啦第二個我要再問部長我曾經說過大法官的憲法判決就是配合民進黨黨綱的實質廢死判決什麼叫實質廢死我給了一個很明確的標準就是賴清德總統在2028年5月19號卸任之前不會有任何一個死刑被執行 |
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我想請問您吼在賴清德現在吼已經上任半年了啦只剩三年半我還三年半的任期內你有可能簽出死刑的執行令嗎?這個只要合乎那個先判意旨的那個受刑能力那我們認為是可以我告訴你啊這個我已經聽你講也是一百遍了我直接跟你講就不會了就不會了那我也說過啊我希望你答點我啊我們就來看看你會不會簽死刑執行令我看一個都不會 |
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這就叫實質廢死我再想請教您請問大法官做出實質廢死判決之後已經多久了9月20兩個月了嘛對不對那我想請問你37位死刑犯有多少人提出非常上訴了目前是沒有目前沒有那非常上訴要多久之內要提出來 |
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這個沒有那個有些是在整個修法有些是又依照憲判意思那個憲判意思我只問你多久之內要提出來有沒有實現嘛沒有沒有期限阿喔沒有實現喔只有有三位只有一個那我問你阿沒有實現阿他就一直不提非常上述那你死刑也不用執行的意思是不是 |
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這個還是現在是在審查中啊審議中啊什麼叫審查中審議中就是37個死刑案我問你一個問題嘛照你說今天非常上述他只要不提那不提的狀態我不提10年你有辦法執行死刑嗎你告訴我有沒有辦法你會不會執行死刑這個是還有最高檢在各案帶上好了好了我告訴你我真的又受不了了會議詢問 |
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我們請中線主席這本來就是在最高檢...剛剛我們的部長講說這個非常少數沒有提的期限啊那我跟你講10年我不提非常少數這10年不用執行死刑這個意思嗎?不正面回答我我們還是要遵照憲判的意思來做一個審議我的問題是法律問題不是問你什麼問題如果我簡單解釋一下就是說這次憲判出來 |
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的非常上述確實是沒有申請的期限限制這沒問題但是那個死刑執行依據刑法84條死刑執行是有限制的那在94年7月1號修法84條修法前是我印象中30年那現在新法是40年所以你要看這個這三七位有沒有人是在 |
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94年7月1號以前要執行的如果是的話就是用30年否則大部分應該是用40年請問部長有沒有到30年跟40年的 沒有嘛 有嗎 有沒有 |
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目前是沒有沒有嘛我才說實質廢死難怪沒有我真的直接跟沒有沒有現在沒有實質廢死喔不是啊我要告訴你事情本來就是核心沒關係你要回頭打翻前面我跟你講實質廢死定義我說實質廢死定義我已經講過了你任內不會簽一個死刑執行就是實質廢死如果你不認同這個定義就是我尊重你你是要跟我講你會不會簽一個死刑執行現在你已經告訴我你不會了你知道為什麼嗎我告訴你來來來部長部長部長 |
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我告訴你你剛剛其實已經回答你已經跟我回答不會了你知道為什麼嗎我告訴你你的結果就是不會為什麼很簡單你剛剛跟我講今天申請非常上訴沒有期限然後只要沒有剛剛今天滿足吳宗憲主席剛剛講的那個所謂30年跟40年期限的話我只問你嘛現在這些死刑犯他不申請非常上訴是不是最好的訴訟策略 |
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以30年標準還差幾年?數學問題啊 |
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那是一個行刑前時效的一個問題對啊11年吧數學問題你都不回答我我不要逼我會議詢問嘛那我就跟你講今天他不提非常上訴就不會執行死刑了問題解決了藉他歡喜了民進黨當萬歲了你今天告訴我的啊所以我更跟你確定你的任內不會簽一個死刑執行令因為只要他不提非常上訴照你的邏輯喔 |
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沒有這個這個好我問你邱和順他10年內不提非常上訴你有辦法執行實行嗎宪判一旨並沒有說一定要我不講宪判一旨我問的是你的法定權利我我這個這個提非常上訴我只問一個明確的問題這都答不出來來我請問揮詢問主席這真的太明確的法律問題邱和順他跟我講19年邱和順如果比如講10年啦4年內 |
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他不提非常上述你法務部有辦法執行實行嗎?那個提非常上述是憲判意思是說 |
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因為被告隨時是可以申請非常上訴所以他如果拖著不申請那法務部也不簽執行命令的話 |
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那確實是就是拖在那裡那另外一個就是說如果法務部有意思要簽的話就趕快提非常上訴那又會又卡住好來來來沒辦法執行好你會趕快提非常上訴嗎 |
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這個不是我在決定對嘛這個是這個是現在是好啦我告訴你啦來來來最高檢察署在審核這個我當然知道是檢察總長嘛我還要你教這個一個一個我們行政規則本來就是有最高檢先我告訴你部長到現在而且宪判議事也是來來我告訴你時間也是有限我只問你一件事情事實問題加你的權責問題邱和順 |
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他不提非常上訴他四年內不提非常上訴你能不能跟你會不會簽死刑執行令你能不能簽有沒有什麼條件滿足之下能簽他這個只要合乎死刑執行規則還有審核那個那你就是會嘛對不對就是會囉那現在是在最高檢察署審核中嘛我沒辦法我還沒有看過那個案件嘛 |
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這個目前...你現在告訴我審核完就會簽了是不是這個還要再審核來來來我跟你講齁我要問齁今天齁有30個評議部已經銷毀了嘛我們跟吳宗憲召委去考察嘛對不對關於死刑過去的評議部嘛對不對是不是37個有30個銷毀了嘛這是司法院得來來來我們請司法院 |
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委員好有7個你們說已經是查清楚是一字決判決死刑嘛對不對這個最高法院給我們的回覆是說有30位的平易部已經銷毀了那有7個是已經確定是一字決的判決死刑嗎他們回覆說回覆最高檢說有可以證明用平易部來證明是一字決這樣子有7個確定嘛7位6件7位7位嘛6件7位嘛那我想請教齁那依照大法官憲法判決的意旨他們可以離非常上訴嗎 |
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依照這七個啦已經確定你們確定是一字決判決的死刑的這個是由總長來爭奪依職權來行使我問的不是他要不要行使我是按照大法官的意旨他有沒有權力提非常上訴嘛如果他沒有辦法用其他的證據來證明說一字決的話他可不可以說個案犯罪不是屬情節最重最嚴重大法官憲法判決啊 |
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那個還有其他事由不是只有一致決定還有其他事由所以還是可以提非常上述啊所以換言之為什麼今天我一直跟部長講到現在為止啊你到現在為止對於死刑這實質廢事你一口都說不叫實質廢事我就跟你講嘛你也不敢告訴我說今天你有把握你執行死刑啊然後呢接下來我想請問 |
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非常少數提出來之後最高法院有沒有可能判決這個撤銷判決有沒有可能有沒有可能這個涉及到個案啦那個是由個案最高法院來判斷我沒辦法幫最高法院來回答個案我告訴你啦不只是可能啦我先倒過來我問部長你一定是檢察總長回答我想請問齁我告訴你第一個 |
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如果剛剛這個問題齁如果他真的提的非常上述阿依照現在大法官的憲法的判決意旨阿你認為今天檢察總長阿他會不會全部都是照樣就提非常上述的你不會回答你說檢察總長的問題啦對不對我幫你回答啦好不好本來就是個案來審查的我沒辦法當總長回答這個問題嗎我跟你講 |
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按照大法官的所謂的憲法判決意旨他已經跟大家講說他就是要來貫徹民進黨的黨綱實質的意思就是這樣檢查總長檢查總長也不敢不提非常上述我直接跟你講我們就來試試看沒關係還有四年我們就慢慢看那接下來我就要問我們的司法院了我要講什麼我說今天如果真的撤銷判決 |
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死刑會不會撤銷判決?有可能嗎?對不對?有可能吧?這個個案當然嘛個案嘛有可能非常上訴博弈也有非常上訴准許我現在講非常上訴如果說今天這個成功以後的話最高法院有沒有可能撤銷?如果是有理由的時候就最高法院就有可能嘛也有可能不嘛你就這樣回答不就結束了那我告訴你啊我跟你講我一樣做第三個預判 |
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就會撤銷了很多就改判了為什麼因為最高法院最新的案例是什麼司徒獎女老師四次被判死刑最高法院是怎麼說的改判她免死確定怎麼判的他直接說是因為大法官按照大法官憲法一旨判的啦改判的啦我跟你講我們就等著看 |
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第一個來看如果不提非常上訴拖著不提今天部長會不會簽執行執行令第一個看第二個如果提了非常上訴之後大法官那個檢察總統會不會這個不受理或是駁回他的非常上訴第三個如果非常上訴提出來之後法院會不會改判免死這三個我告訴你都會往實質廢止方向走以上謝謝謝謝那我現在做一下會議宣告 |
| IVOD_ID |
157368 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157368 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T11:43:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T11:59:11+08:00 |
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